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Citizen Alert! Your Rights Are About to Be Limited!

Posted: 12/18/11 07:28 PM ET

On "Bill of Rights Day" (Thursday, December 15), concerned Minnesotans representing Veterans for Peace, Women Against Military Madness, Amnesty International, the ACLU and other peace and justice and civil liberties groups celebrated the 220th anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights by speaking out for the Constitution and against the National Defense Authorization Act. The first ten amendments to the Constitution that guaranteed the rights of citizens to have free speech and not be imprisoned without due process were ratified on December 15, 1791. Many of those rights are now in jeopardy of being lost as President Obama has stated he will break his earlier promise to veto the NDAA and will, instead, sign the bill into law allowing military detention of U.S. citizens without factual justification, due process or a trial.

It appears that the dogs of war, (remember a "war on terror" originally sold as fighting them "over there so as not to fight them here") could now be unleashed domestically upon U.S. citizens.

(Video and story at The Uptake)
 
 
 
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06:06 PM on 12/25/2011
Ben Franklin said, " anyone who would give up his or her liberty , to accomplish safety, deserves neither, saftey or liberty," After 911 when they adopted the patriot act, we already started down the road to safety by giving up rites. The terrorists have already won, our democracy is now up for grabbs, for a false sence of safety!! Now, we must be diligent not to allow these huligans, (congressmen ) to give away our rights to preserve their agendas!!
07:49 AM on 12/25/2011
To be absolutely clear: NDAA Senate Bill SB1867 (which Subtitle D—Detainee Matters,Section 1031/1032, is of concern), was merged into House Resolution HR1540 (which Subtitle D—Counterterrorism,Section 1021/1022). HR1540 has changed several times over the past few days. HR 1540 is the bill that goes to the President. Please research to make sure your citations are correct
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Shahid Buttar
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04:37 PM on 12/23/2011
Thanks so much for raising awareness of this issue, Coleen! The NDAA is indeed a terrifying law, and its full implications have been obscured by the debate over precisely what it means. I examine it closely at http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/blog/?p=5207, and have two more forthcoming installments in the series explaining how the NDAA relates to (a) torture; and (b) the possibility of authoritarian co-optation of the law. Concerned readers can raise your voices -- both online and offline -- at http://bordc.org/ndaa/.
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Danite545
11:19 AM on 12/23/2011
Next is the innocent and morally-right sounding "Internet Piracy Act" (or something like that). This will allow "The Proper Authorities" to limit the internet in any way they deem acceptable...Just like Iran or China.
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Brandt931
04:13 PM on 12/19/2011
The NDAA if passed will only go to further stifle our Constitutional Rights without the approval of the Americans, just as the Patriot Act was adopted WITHOUT public approval or vote just weeks after the events of 9/11. A mere 3 criminal charges of terrorism a year are attributed to this act, which is mainly used for no-knock raids leading to drug-related arrests without proper cause for search and seizure. The laws are simply a means to spy on our own citizens and to detain and torture dissidents without trial or a right to council. You can read much more about living in this Orwellian society of fear and see my visual response to these measures on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/living-in-society-of-fear-ten-years.html
03:30 PM on 12/19/2011
People- before you buy into the fear- please read the bill for yourself.

US Citizens are exempt from Military detention (section 1032)

Existing law is unaffected (section 1032 e)

Here's the text- please read this for yourself before becoming an agent of Fear.
04:10 AM on 12/20/2011
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the only Section that is pertinent is 1031, now called Section 1021 in the revised bill that the President intends to sign. For more information on the deliberate campaign of obfuscation around these two sections intended to confuse the public and media into believing that citizens will be exempted--unfortunately this is not the case-- please see the following link to verify this for yourself so you can stop spreading a false sense of complacency about this terrible danger to our Bill of Rights: http://www.change.org/petitions/out-with-congress-ndaa-1031-citizen-imprisonment-agnostic-law-is-now-here --Under the "About This Petition" tab is a great short explanation with a link to a video showing C-SPAN footage proving that the administration wanted the provision for citizen imprisonment in Section 1031 to be in the bill--they specifically asked to include American citizens as shown in the video.
03:19 PM on 12/19/2011
The bill changed since he promised to Veto it. The new bill asserts Constitutional Rights for US Citizens, and also gives the President flexibility in handling Al Qaeda.

Remember- Congress cut off funding for Gitmo Prisoner Transfers- essentially killing his early 2009 Executive Order to close it. This is one way Congress is trying to keep Gitmo open- and the changes insisted by the President give him and the intelligence Community, the flexibility to keep suspects out of military detention.
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03:34 PM on 12/19/2011
You are wrong.

The line you are probably confused by is part(e) of section 1031, which states "nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authoritie­s", which is just a bunch of redundant word play; meant to deceive people like you. From a legal perspectiv­e, this part of the bill really reads "this section of this bill affirms the interpreta­tion of past legislatio­n and so therefore does not change it".... in other words, section 1031 clarifies the way in which past legislatio­n should be interprete­d, rather than changing that past legislatio­n.

Do you really believe that section 1031 does not apply to US citizens simply because it asserts that previous legislatio­n has not been changed? The bill clearly does not exclude US citizens from its definition of a "covered person under this section", and the one attempt in congress to exclude US citizens from this definition of a "covered person under this section", failed.
10:29 PM on 12/19/2011
Please read this article. So much reading between the lines and ignoring what's really there.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2011/12/indefinitedetentionbs.html
04:17 AM on 12/20/2011
This is completely correct. And it is designed to be confusing which contributed to thhe virtual media blackout on this issue combined with the promise to veto. For a clear explanation that will help people understand what happened you can refer them to the following link: http://www.change.org/petitions/out-with-congress-ndaa-1031-citizen-imprisonment-agnostic-law-is-now-here --See under the "About This Petition" tab. There is a also a link here to a video showing C-SPAN footage proving that the administration itself actually requested the provision for citizen imprisonment in Section 1031 to be in the bill--they specifically asked to include American citizens as shown in the video.
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01:31 PM on 12/19/2011
This law will go down as one of the worst in American history. It seriously undermines our Constitution. At first I thought it may have been a campaign ploy by Obama to get re-elected because I thought he would veto it. He not only did NOT veto it, Obama DEMANDED the section that allows the military to detain citizens INDEFINITELY remain in the law.
01:03 AM on 12/19/2011
The statements and assumptions revealed in this article are not true. The text from the bill itself clearly refutes the odious idea that President Obama will "sign the bill into law allowing military detention of U.S. citizens without factual justification, due process or a trial." The NDAA bill does not make way for the Executive to round us all up and hold us indefinitely. U.S. citizens are EXEMPT from the implications given in this section. Go to section 1031(a)-(e) and read the text of the bill for yourself.

And here is a link to the text: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf

I hope that gives some perspective to any readers and observers.
03:29 AM on 12/19/2011
It doesn't matter if the bill states that US citizens are exempt. The Bill of Rights is not so much a document spelling out the rights of people or citizens. It is instead one that limits the power of government. In stating that the government has the right to detain anyone (citizen or not) indefinitely and without trial this bill is saying that the government has powers expressly prohibited in the Bill of Rights and is therefore unconstitutional.
04:16 AM on 12/19/2011
Incorrect. The first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) to the United States Constitution were not explicitly set in place to limit the power of government--period--it does not end, nor begin, there. In actuality, the amendments were exclusively put in place for the BENEFIT OF CITIZENS, and are applicable to citizens only... best ensured by a limited government. The Bill of Rights are the Right of Citizens. Such is a simplified observation, but you understand my point.
08:39 AM on 12/19/2011
It is sad that so many like you have been deceived by this bill and now are going around spreading misinformation. The bill quite clearly allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

The line you are probably confused by is part(e) of section 1031, which states "nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities", which is just a bunch of redundant word play; meant to deceive people like you. From a legal perspective, this part of the bill really reads "this section of this bill affirms the interpretation of past legislation and so therefore does not change it".... in other words, section 1031 clarifies the way in which past legislation should be interpreted, rather than changing that past legislation.

Do you really believe that section 1031 does not apply to US citizens simply because it asserts that previous legislation has not been changed? The bill clearly does not exclude US citizens from its definition of a "covered person under this section", and the one attempt in congress to exclude US citizens from this definition of a "covered person under this section", failed.

This bill does, quite clearly, include US citizens under its definition of a "covered person".
03:25 PM on 12/19/2011
(e) Authorioties.- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States Citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the united States.
11:09 PM on 12/18/2011
ron paul is the only person willing to do something about this as president
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Danite545
11:17 AM on 12/23/2011
Amen...

PAUL / 2012 to preserve our rights
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11:05 PM on 12/18/2011
Who would have ever believed that our leaders would have sunken so low.........as to destroy or give away the rights that our founders fought so hard to give this nation. Now, when we read of countries where armed death squads come in the middle of the night and take away the occupants of homes....with no warrant, no charges, no evidence, and the citizens have no right to counsel, no right to face their accusers, no right to bond, and no right to a fair trial by a jury of their peers----one of those countries is the U.S. The term is not "leaders".....the term is "despot's". The day will come when they will pay for their crimes.
10:59 PM on 12/18/2011
Obama didn't go back on his promise. He negotiated to have the language changed.
12:38 AM on 12/19/2011
Yes, he had the language changed.
"Senator Levin (addressing Senate president): "And I'm wondering whether the senator is familiar with the fact that the language, the language which precluded the application of section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved in the Armed Services Committee, and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that US citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V5Oo3gzj2oc
01:34 AM on 12/19/2011
That is false. Read section 1032 (b) (1-2) of the actual bill. U.S. citizens do not apply: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf
04:49 AM on 12/20/2011
I voted for Obama and have never felt such disillusionment after finding the recent video YouTube video which shows clear proof that his administration specifically requested that the provision in the original NDAA bill in committee, which would have exempted Americans on US soil or anywhere from indefinite imprisonment, be deleted. In other words the Obama administration requested that the bill include US citizens be subject to indefinite detainment. The video can be found at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Oo3gzj2oc. I am still reeling from the shock and disappointment. Please don't spread false complacency on this issue--this is a tragedy for our country in the making, and a tragedy for his presidency.
10:56 PM on 12/18/2011
at first i was outraged when i heard about this .now i am scared because the potential for abuse is so terrifying.when bush said that torture wasnt torture i knew something was really wrong with this government.now they are saying that they need the power to arrest there own citizens without trial.can you immagine being locked up in solitary confinement for years as they sort out the value of there target.its just wrong.it is true what they say.the first casualty of war is the truth and this prooves it.