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Joffan
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
02:36 AM on 11/02/2011
Does Shorter University also ban tall employees?

If so, would this constitute apartheight?
02:36 AM on 11/02/2011
Why is this even news ? Seriously ? No need to comment back ... there is really nothing to debate here.
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adam646l
"Lib" is not a dirty word.
09:19 AM on 11/02/2011
When one encounters snall minded bigots, one must speak up EVERYTIME.
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adam646l
"Lib" is not a dirty word.
09:21 AM on 11/02/2011
"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned." - Martin Niemoller
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thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
02:30 AM on 11/02/2011
As a private university it should be able to ban anyone it wishes. It has no effect on public policy or the ability of anyone to be employed or not be employed. Will it be beneficial to the university? Probably not. Youths especially look for policies that engender "diversity" or other socially acceptable nonsense. This is not going to help with admissions. Or recruiting better employees.
01:24 AM on 11/02/2011
This is really ridiculous and completely close minded, and a symptom of a reason why a lot of people dislike Christianity, but they technically aren't doing anything illegal... it's allegedly a completely privately funded university. Also, Title VII doesn't protect against sexual orientation-related discrimination. Which is pretty terrible.
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adam646l
"Lib" is not a dirty word.
09:30 AM on 11/02/2011
Do not confuse Christianity with zealotry. Zealotry is present in many religions. Zealotry exists outside the walls of houses of worship as well. While it is perfectly fine to say that most people dislike zealots, I think it unfair of you to say that most people dislike like Christianity. WHile I think this school is full of zealots, I don't see them behaving in a Christ like way at all. I am reminded of something Ghandi once said. I will attempt tp paraphrase him. " I like your Christ. It is your Christiians I do not like. They are not like your Christ."
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
12:39 AM on 11/02/2011
Shorter University is basically a private club. They can be as bigoted as they wish, as indeed they are. http://www.shorter.edu/

The small "university" has a performing arts department, and the notion that anything less than half of the faculty and student body of that department are not gay is cause for hilarity.
01:00 AM on 11/02/2011
JBaker, you're certainly right. It's a private school. I went to school there years ago. They have the right to be as bigoted as they want. Unfortunately, they don't see that just because they have the right doesn't *make* it right. I received a fine art degree and was friends with all the theatre majors. There were plenty of gay students/faculty/staff (and not just in the performing arts dept) there in my time and there are plenty now. It's tantamount to a modern day witch hunt. I'm proud to see my fellow alumni stand up and be speak out against this horrible, horrible policy.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
10:58 AM on 11/02/2011
I am sure that it is disappointing to you to see your former college go off the deep end in its policy of hatred. Anything connected with the Southern Baptist or Roman Catholic churches are automatically suspect. These organizations (they are not the only ones) are essentially ultra-conservative political organizations, and always have been.
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Demarcus Jackson
Southern Psychology Professor
11:46 PM on 11/01/2011
Yeah...this is really going to work out. Whatever?!?!
11:25 PM on 11/01/2011
Let me add to this story - I graduated from Shorter. And there's been an overwhelming outcry from the alumni. We are not happy about this pledge. During my years there, there were plenty of gay students, faculty and staff and my life would not be the same had they not been in it. Nobody was ever asked or outed. And to the ones that were out, it was never an issue. Unfortunately, the message it sends is that you're good enough to give the school your money if you're gay but you're not good enough to work there after you graduate. They're not even consistent in their hypocrisy. Not the school I knew.
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YakittyGirl
Pro deo et patria
12:19 AM on 11/02/2011
Interesting and informative.
12:58 AM on 11/02/2011
The issues at hand are much bigger, actually, but the press has latched onto the most controversial part. I'm just happy it's getting press. And am desperately hoping the new president of the school backs down.
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92102
Friends Don't Let Friends Believe FOX News
11:14 PM on 11/01/2011
Let's wait and see how many of these pledge signers find themselves in handcuffs with their pants down in some public restroom in Atlanta.
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10:37 PM on 11/01/2011
Mind you these are the same people who decry the eeevils of Muslim extremism... LMAO!!!
10:38 PM on 11/01/2011
So what's your point, kid?
10:41 PM on 11/01/2011
Hypocrisy....seems pretty clear to me....maybe you should get some rest before taxing your posting skills.
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10:48 PM on 11/01/2011
Pot, this is kettle...
10:35 PM on 11/01/2011
Where are all the "bible thumpers" and homophobes in terms of answering the posts about the suspected and whispered about through the ages gay actions of the "sacred" men of the bible or the church fathers over the years? The church has a history of persecuting the things that their own leaders find to be the hardest "sins" for them to avoid. Shorter College is just following in the "hallowed" tradition.
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
11:18 PM on 11/01/2011
Why not read the article before you jump across a busy road with your eyes closed?
The University bans not only homosexuality, but also fornication and adultery---three of the four sexual practices that are universally rejected by all true Christian churches. Which part of that don't you understand?
11:28 PM on 11/01/2011
Ok....what did most of the "early" citizens of the bible world do other than have relations with their own relatives. Why did God not take away David's kingship when he practiced fornication and adultery....I could go on and on ...especially with "your" definition of "true" Christian churches. Your arguments and statements are just full of YOUR definitions and biases and it is pointless to discuss anything with you since your mind is closed to all other opinions that don't "fit" your pasted together and concocted Bible book.
11:34 PM on 11/01/2011
and by the way I did read the article...and you still didnt answer the questions about the "gayness" of St. Paul, David, or even the fact that the life that Jesus led would be considered gay by any standard today. I think the churchy people are the ones with their "eyes closed".
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E Crosswait
Keeping Right Is A Good Way To Drive In Circles
10:31 PM on 11/01/2011
If they are a private University then I believe they have a legal right to discriminate against anyone that is not a protected class (the LGBT community is not a protected class).
At the same time, the federal government does not have to give pell grants or low interest tuition loans to students that wish to attend the school.
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
11:14 PM on 11/01/2011
Nonsense. Churches routinely take unpopular stands and still retain their non-profit status.
This is America. There is still freedom of religion. The Christian faith does not condone homosexuality as well as other sexual practices, including adultery and fornication.
You might as well call for punishment of the Roman Catholic church for not allowing any form of birth control among their members
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
12:24 AM on 11/02/2011
The bible does, however, condone human slavery. The Southern slave holders argued that the scriptures were on their side as indeed they are; the same book that vilifies same sex relations also sanctifies the most evil institution ever conceived by the mind of man.
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E Crosswait
Keeping Right Is A Good Way To Drive In Circles
10:02 AM on 11/02/2011
You are correct, there is religious freedom in this country. As well as a separation of church and state. More to the point - federal tax dollars should not be used to subsidize religious education. If you wish to attend this university then do it on your own dime! You have every right to do so.

Also, do not lump your narrow and incorrect interpretation of the bible to include ALL Christians. Many churches welcome gay and lesbian people into their congregation; they even perform same-sex marriages. Nonsense indeed.
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YakittyGirl
Pro deo et patria
12:21 AM on 11/02/2011
I agree comopletely. Your idea about the Pell grants would be a way to deal with the issue.
10:31 PM on 11/01/2011
How long before St. Paul would have been fired given his relationship to Timothy and his "thorn in the flesh"?
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
11:20 PM on 11/01/2011
You are thoroughly ignorant.
Timothy was his son, spiritually speaking, and there was not the slightest hint of sexual impropriety between them. His thorn in the flesh was a physical ailment.
You are very ignorant. You should take some time off HP, and study a little.
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YakittyGirl
Pro deo et patria
12:23 AM on 11/02/2011
"You are very ignorant. You should take some time off HP, and study a little."

Excellent and informative post.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
12:24 AM on 11/02/2011
Jesus was in love with John, as the scriptures make plain. Paul and Timothy are irrelevant.
10:28 PM on 11/01/2011
Churches should pay taxes at least some of their real estate taxes which cause the rest of us to pay more. Churches spend milllions on anti-gay bills and other political causes rather than feeding and housing the poor and sick.
10:28 PM on 11/01/2011
How long would Jesus be employed at this "college"?
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
10:02 PM on 11/01/2011
Another good example of why political organizations masquerading as religions should lose the tax exemptions.
10:06 PM on 11/01/2011
Even Jesus told everyone to pay taxes...but do the churches listen to that?
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dave dbo
the truth needs no varnish
11:24 PM on 11/01/2011
Liar. Quote the passage where Jesus said so.
If anything, Jesus claimed that some people should NOT pay taxes:

The following is from Matthew chap 17:
24 When they came to Capernaum, those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, “Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?” 25 He said, “Yes.” And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth collect customs or poll-tax, from their sons or from strangers?” 26 When Peter said, “From strangers,” Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are exempt. 27 “However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me.”