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omobob 01:12 PM on 11/15/2011
> A Republican state lawmaker in New Hampshire endorsed guns on college campuses on Monday, saying in an email to fellow legislators that "gun-free zones become killing zones."

More loaded weapons in the hands of untrained civilians is not the answer to gun related crimes. Untrained civilians have zero experience in the use of deadly force. Untrained civilians do  Read More...
02:04 PM on 11/15/2011
I'll comment after I'm done vomiting.
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patient i am
i've run out of patience
03:07 PM on 11/15/2011
fanned!
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Forester
Overeducated woods worker.
02:04 PM on 11/15/2011
As conservatism is gradually eclipsed by a more progressive and diverse America, the hold-outs reach for the only things left that provides a "sense" of their lost power - de ad ly force.

Time steamrolls those who won't or can't change - a lesson conservatives learn century after century.
02:12 PM on 11/15/2011
Progressives who value individual liberty and equality for all support the use of force to defend themselves and their loved ones. There's a reason that there's been a shift towards shall-issue laws in the U.S., and it isn't some magically invisible resurgence of conservative values.
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Forester
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02:24 PM on 11/15/2011
I carry in my work because I have to. College students? Get serious.
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EndRacismNow
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02:23 PM on 11/15/2011
If and when diversity and progressivism take over the country, have fun in a country that abandons core principles of the Constitution. It will not only be the 2nd amendment. Statists must always resort to authoritarianism to implement their policies that defy human nature.
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eyecon
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02:01 PM on 11/15/2011
Here's another hypothesis. The more guns we put in circulation, the more weapons we provide to criminals.

Furthermore, it is the official position of the NRA to restore gun rights to convicted criminals when their sentences expire. That includes individuals convicted of violent crimes with firearms. Only federal convicts are banned from possessing firearms. Felons are finding it very easy to regain gun rights. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
02:08 PM on 11/15/2011
Agreed - ban vehicles and end auto theft. Only federal convicts are banned from possession firearms by federal law because the federal government likely has no ability to constitutionally punish STATE convicts thanks to our federal form of government.
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eyecon
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02:11 PM on 11/15/2011
Please do not start with automobile argument. It is intellectually dishonest. Only firearms, when used as intended, are designed to kill or maim people.
02:14 PM on 11/15/2011
Concealed carry on college campuses has very little to do with how many guns are being purchased by law abiding citizens. Most of those eligible to buy handguns (those over 21) do not live in campus housing (Dorms etc) anyways. They want to be able to bring the weapons they already own and have a concealed carry permit for onto campus for their own protection.
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02:36 PM on 11/15/2011
Oh my god!!! Look, it's a terrorist!!!!
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01:58 PM on 11/15/2011
Typical republican - they are all paranoid!!
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01:53 PM on 11/15/2011
I doubt very seriously if criminals ever stop to give thought to what is or what isnt a gun free zone. I think probably the only place a criminal would not commit a gun crime is in a Police Station otherwise they give little thought as to where someone can legally carry a gun. The only people (besides the police) who know these zones are people who have taken a CCW class, which typically doesnt consist of criminals. How many of you can name a gun free zone besides a school.
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01:49 PM on 11/15/2011
"For people that are supposed to be so smart, you never learn from history,"

The above quote says it all, typical conservative who hates smart people because they aren't too smart. As a registered gun owner and CCW permit holder i would disagree with allowing guns on campus, thats what campus safety is for. Gun crimes aren't always committed by criminals who have guns.
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:55 PM on 11/15/2011
Gun crimes are always committed by criminals, since one is a criminal upon the commission of a crime.
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Forester
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02:06 PM on 11/15/2011
What about the thousands of domestic killi ngs both intended and actual?
Your argument is completely transparent. Lets wait for folks to crash their cars before imposing a speed limit.
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02:34 PM on 11/15/2011
Campus police are for writing parking tickets and directing traffic. They have about as much to do with personal safety as the police do outside of campus. Ever heard the phrase "Minutes away when seconds count"? Means the same to college students as it does anyone else.
01:48 PM on 11/15/2011
Illinois is the only state without concealed carry laws. I suppose that makes Illinois a "gun free zone" as contemplated by this article.

However, only 11 states have lower rates of death by firearm than Illinois.

And many states have far higher rates of death by firearm, with 11 states having more than double the death rate:

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?typ=3&ind=113&cat=2&sub=32&sortc=1&o=a

So I question the premise of this article, that gun free zones are killing zones.

This just seems like an effort to boost gun sales, and we already have more guns than people in this country. I am sorry that the market for gun sales is dwindling, but they don't belong on a college campus.
02:16 PM on 11/15/2011
The truth is that gun ownership has been on the rise over the past several years. Over that same time, gun-related crime has continued to fall. Looks like more guns doesn't equal more gun crimes either.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/
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02:38 PM on 11/15/2011
You mean over the past THREE YEARS! You guys are so transparent!
Oh No ........ Obama is going to take our guns away!!!!
09:50 PM on 11/15/2011
The point of the article was that "gun free zones" are more dangerous. The implication is that you have to have guns to be safe.

I used Illinois as an example of why this is not true.
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eyecon
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01:47 PM on 11/15/2011
Again (ad nauseum), this is not an abstraction for me. I was shot point blank in the back with a .45; One millimeter away from death or paraplegia. Three observations:

1. This was a determined assassination attempt. Easy carry permits in NYC would have not deterred the shooter in any way whatsoever.

2. I could have been carrying a bazooka and it would not have mattered.

3. Armed bystanders would and could not have prevented the shooting. After the shot was fired there was tremendous confusion with people running in various directions, an armed bystander had a better chance of killing or injuring an innocent person than the perpetrator.
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:56 PM on 11/15/2011
So, because it wouldn't have helped you, it can't help anyone? Fairly certain this woman is happy someone had a concealed weapon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soZT__WQKsM
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eyecon
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02:09 PM on 11/15/2011
Your observation is more selective than mine. The overall statistics suggest that a gun owner is many times more likely to kill or injure a family member, friend or innocent bystander than to ever thwart a violent crime.

According to state police the Appalachian School shooter was apprehended by armed students WITH AN EMPTY MAGAZINE (an initial report was incorrect).
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02:36 PM on 11/15/2011
Maybe you should stop being the kind of person that others want to shoot in the back.
01:42 PM on 11/15/2011
I think they did not go far enough they should allow open carry and concealed weapons where this dude works right in the state legislature.
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01:48 PM on 11/15/2011
They do.
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JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:33 PM on 11/15/2011
Outrageous! Just because the overwhelming majority of mass casualty shootings happen in gun free zones doesn't mean that criminals are attracted to them because they know they will meet little to no victim resistance.....
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Forester
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01:35 PM on 11/15/2011
Your bio kind of says it all.
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:39 PM on 11/15/2011
You're right - attorneys tend to dislike arbitrary, feel good legislation that causes the very harm it's designed to prevent.
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eyecon
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01:40 PM on 11/15/2011
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc nonsense.
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:42 PM on 11/15/2011
It's nonsense how? Schools that have allowed concealed carry have seen students stop active shooters. Mass shootings are less common in places that allow adults the means to defend themselves. Coincidence isn't always cause, but when it approaches the type of relationship we see with gun free zones and mass casualty events, you certainly need to wonder about whether the legislation is driving the exact opposite behavior it is seeking to curb.
01:29 PM on 11/15/2011
I would not teach or go to a college or university where the students are armed.End of story.How do you think arguments will be settled? and instead of bullying gay students will be summarily executed...no thanks.The only people who should carry guns should be law enforcement...period.The right to bear arms is truly misinterpreted and it's sad,,just ask Brady and Congresswoman Giffords what do they think?
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:34 PM on 11/15/2011
49 states allow adults to carry concealed weapons. Why do you think a 21 year old college dropout is more responsible than a 35 year old PhD or JD candidate?
01:40 PM on 11/15/2011
No one should have them concealed or open,we are not at war with our neighbors or are we?
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susanthe
01:50 PM on 11/15/2011
Drunken frat boys are already responsible for enough rapes. Arming them is a bad idea.
01:55 PM on 11/15/2011
Guns do not instantly convert something into the wild west. Gun ownership has been drastically on the rise and gun related crime has not shared that correlation. Removing guns wont fix problems, ask the UK about there crime per capita. Also, in regards to your lower comment that no one should be allowed to conceal carry. why not? conceal carry permit holders are less likely to commit crimes then any other group.
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therealone
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01:27 PM on 11/15/2011
Baghdad and Somalia are some of the most killing-free places in the world! Didn't you know?
JStading
"Shall NOT be infringed" means what it says.
01:34 PM on 11/15/2011
Ditto for Mexico, where most guns and ammunition are illegal.
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jesocr
01:25 PM on 11/15/2011
It makes no sense to allow guns to be carried at schools. Did the article really say that they want to regulate gun rules at private entities as well. That really seems to be an overreach and I can't believe it would be legal to stop a private group from forbiding guns at their events.
dave1111
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01:23 PM on 11/15/2011
One question. Does he want the New Hampshire legislature to remove the metal detectors and guards that make it 'a_killing_zone"?
02:24 PM on 11/15/2011
It is a controlled environment, with specific entry points and a security presence. That is not analogous to an open campus environment.