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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
07:59 AM on 12/12/2011
Now if we could eliminate both oil and coal, the problem would go away entirely, something to look forward to. I hope we don't consider burning coal to support the oil industry a justifiable reason to continue polluting.
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Talk2PassiveActionVital
US democracy, an idea whose time has come.
11:02 AM on 12/12/2011
"...burning coal to support the oil industry..."

This is the stuff of political sophistry, the likes of which would make an energy industry lobbyist flush with pride. Hmmmm...flush...all of the fossil fuel industries' lobbyists.... How big a commode would that take?
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
11:07 AM on 12/12/2011
...big oil...big coal, that is one monster toilet. I have a solution, short the coal companies, create a nasty regulation, drive down the market value of all the coal-fired plants, collect the shorts and use the money to buy them up. That way the government can begin retiring them as new solar capacity comes on line. Is that too Wall Stish?
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:53 AM on 12/12/2011
In December 2008 the Tennessee Valley Authority spilled over 1 billion gallons of toxic coal ash waste into the Tennessee River - TVA said the spill was5.3 million cubic yards - the worst man made environmental disaster since Chernobyl. Picture taking beautiful Tennesse river valley land and turning it into hell. Coal ash contains numerous toxic components including mercury and radioactive isotopes. Coal really sucks.

So, when you factor in the price of disposing of coal ash, and the price of shipping coal plant exhaust gas thousands of miles, and the human disease and death from working in the mines, and the fact that you are using the gas to enhance recovery of another carbon source, you eventually come to the realization that alternative energy sources are far more economical, logical, and humane than coal. Coal really sucks.

It is time to start figuring out alternative jobs for miners so they can come out of the mines and live in the sunlight with the rest of us.
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
08:01 AM on 12/12/2011
I thought Fukishima was the world's worst man made disaster since Chernobyl.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
09:35 AM on 12/12/2011
My bad. Use a little imagination Michael.

It was, at the time, worst environmental disaster since Chernobyl.

BTW, how much are the Republicans paying you to siphon off Democrat votes this year?

Just wondering.

Cheers.
01:06 AM on 12/12/2011
Hey . at least coal isn't from the OilSands otherwise it would have Robert Redford and Darryl Hannah's attention. You go coal !. you've got a $200 ' do not go to jail ' card courtesy of Hollywood and it's paid harpies.
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Robert Lee Harrington
I'd Love To Change The World..
09:43 AM on 12/12/2011
If you have something of value to add to the discussion please present it.
I respect the values and commitment of both Robert Redford and Darryl Hannah.
Do you believe in anything?
12:50 AM on 12/12/2011
There have always been risks with the advance of technology. Many people were against the industrial revolution and many still are today. But change is the one thing that never changes. Opponents of nuclear power set back that technology forty years.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
02:09 AM on 12/12/2011
they didnt set it back. A whole host of things happened. But even with Fukushima, it moves forward.
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Robert Lee Harrington
I'd Love To Change The World..
10:04 AM on 12/12/2011
Chernobyl:

... was a nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine... An explosion and fire released large quantities of radioactive contamination into the atmosphere, which spread over much of Western USSR and Europe. It is considered the worst nuclear power plant accident in history, and is one of only two classified as a level 7 event on the International Nuclear Event Scale (the other being the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster). The battle to contain the contamination and avert a greater catastrophe ultimately involved over 500,000 workers and cost an estimated 18 billion rubles, crippling the Soviet economy....
...From 1986 to 2000, 350,400 people were evacuated and resettled ...
...The accident raised concerns about the safety of the Soviet nuclear power industry, as well as nuclear power in general, ... The government cover up of the Chernobyl disaster was a "catalyst" for glasnost, which "paved the way for reforms leading to the Soviet collapse."
... A 2006 report predicted 30,000 to 60,000 cancer deaths as a result of Chernobyl fallout. A Greenpeace report puts this figure at 200,000 or more. A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
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JordanPerry
Resist.
12:46 AM on 12/12/2011
Coal, killing you today and tomorrow with increasingly desperate methodologies for extraction and continuing lack of concern for citizens or ecosystems. These companies literally decimate landbases. 100% devastation. Moon scape.

A wise person once said, "when you find yourself digging your own grave, put the shovel down."
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
05:02 AM on 12/12/2011
You still need to climb out of the coalmine though.
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Jtt
-adults don't wear party hats
12:11 AM on 12/12/2011
There are still serious environmental problems with coal and coal ash and the oil liberated with gas injection will be burned without CO2 controls. Besides this pressure causing pollution of groundwater there is also the possibility of an accidental release.

In 1986 a large leakage of natural CO2 from Lake Nyos in Cameroon asphyxiated 1,700 people.
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11:18 PM on 12/11/2011
Now this sounds like something useful. I believe that what we really need to do is to stop taxing industry of profits and tax them on the amount of pollution they create instead. This would create a tremendous incentive to find uses for what would otherwise be waste products. When the Clean Air Act passed companies that burned sulfur-rich fuels screamed that it would put them out of business. Then they installed sulfur scrubbers and discovered they could make money by selling sulfur to businesses that used it. It was a win-win situation.
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
04:20 AM on 12/12/2011
Sure, it works, if you want to pay for it.

Denbury spent over a billion dollars to construct a CO2 pipeline from Mississippi to Houston. If you wanted to realistically construct a network of such pipes across the US, it would be several hundred times that amount. Its a big bill, and we're out of cash.
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04:06 PM on 12/14/2011
Apparently you did not read my comment. I suggested that we tax companies based on the amount of pollution they emit, instead on the amount of profits they make. What this has to do with building CO2 pipelines around the country is beyond my understanding. If companies can profit by doing so they will and if they can't they won't.
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
10:06 PM on 12/11/2011
Marketing pretending to be news.

Reuters sold out.

After all their journalists were being "accidentally" killed like flies by US forces in Iraq.
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Robert Lee Harrington
I'd Love To Change The World..
09:49 PM on 12/11/2011
CLEAN COAL IS AN OXYMORON