Post Comment Preview Comment
To reply to a Comment: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to.
View All
Favorites
Highlights
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page:  « First  ‹ Previous  1 2 3  Next ›  Last »  (3 total)
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
10:36 AM on 12/14/2011
Fire makes CO2 which absorbs IR which heats the earth’s surface. Heating the earth’s surface creates more droughts in normally drier areas. It also moves precipitation to new and exciting parts of the globe.

It has now about time for deniers of global warming to face these facts.

So help us out here. Prove to us that the human race putting 2 million pounds of heat absorbing waste gas into the air per SECOND cannot help heat the surface of the earth even a little bit. Tell us how putting 31 billion tonnes of heat absorbing waste gas into the air per year cannot heat the surface of the earth at all. Show us how a 7900 mile diameter sphere in space exposed on one side to sunlight every moment of our existance is not going to start to warm up even a tiny bit when you contaminate every bit of its atmosphere with excess heat-absorbing waste gas.

Just do that successfully and I think most of us will be willing to seriously consider your side of this argument.

Oh, and have a wonderful day.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
gonzoman
12:24 PM on 12/14/2011
no you prove it.skeptics aren't asking you to drastically change your lifestyle. skeptics aren't
asking you for higher taxes, higher gas prices, higher cooling/heating prices, higher food costs,
higher medical cost, higher costs for just about everything under the sun. the burden is on the alarmists to unequivocally beyond a doubt prove that the sky is falling
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:51 PM on 12/14/2011
Self-styled global warming "skeptics" are almost invariably climate science deniers.

These self-styled "skeptics" are also almost invariably alarmists with respect to the economics of addressing the global warming threat.
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
04:12 PM on 12/14/2011
So the facts of science frighten you. Sorry.
I am not asking you to drastically change your lifestyle.
I am not asking you for higher taxes,
You are causing higher gas prices by wasting gas on huge trucks and SUVs.
You are causing your own higher cooling and heating prices because you are afraid to use all the free wind and solar energy available to you.
You are causing higher food costs by wrecking the climate .
You are the ones ultimately causing higher medical costs by wrecking the climate with all its civilization destroying results.
You are a fossil fuel fire addict.
Deal with it.
04:27 PM on 12/14/2011
People who believe CO2 is the end all be all to climate change are the true "science deniers" and Flat Earthers.

CO2 can only absorb so much IR. It's a law of physics. The Beers-Lambert Gas Law. The level of absorption decreases logarithmically with the increase of CO2. The atmosphere reachs ~90% absorption at ~200ppm. The level required by plant growth.

Does that help you out.

Peace.
05:02 PM on 12/14/2011
Due to re-radiation from multiple levels, the simple Beer's law result applies only to a cylindrical cell in bench top lab studies, not a 100 miles high column of atmosphere.

What about the temperature raising effect of CO2 on raising H2O and methane levels? Doesn't that make CO2 a catalyst and global warming amplifier?

According to the following set of peer-reviewed papers, net water vapor has increased.

http://mls.jpl.nasa.gov/joe/Minschwaner_2004.pdf

Dessler, A E (2011-09-06). "Cloud variations and the Earth's energy
budget". Geophysical Research Letters. Retrieved 2011-09-07.
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~qfu/Publications/jc.gettelman.2008.pdf

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7163/full/nature06207.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/39/15248.full.pdf+html

http://www.appmath.columbia.edu/users/sobel/Papers/wright_jcli_09_submitted.pdf

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/310/5749/841

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL035333.shtml

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/11/busy-week-for-water-vapor/

In general, you might trying actually boning up on a topic before you form an opinion. It can save you a lot of embarrassment and is also relatively painless.

For starters, here's 3 general articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
05:50 PM on 12/14/2011
Hey Juan,

You would have us believe that you understand atmospheric physics, but you keep getting (relatively) simple atmospheric physics incorrect.

Maxwells has pointed out one of your basic errors here (your incorrect application of the Beers-Lamb­ert Gas Law) - here's another:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Me: "Do you agree that CO2 is the most plentiful atmospheri­­c greenhouse gas that can drive multidecad­­al global warming? If not, why not?"

Juancaruba: "Absolutely not. Water vapor is the most prevalent and most powerful greenhouse gas. Maybe you've noticed clouds."

You evidently did not fully read or understand the question that I asked you, Juan. I didn't ask you which greenhouse gas is the most prevalent - that greenhouse gas is of course water vapor, and by a large margin.

Here again is the question I asked you - care to make another stab at it?

Do you agree that CO2 is the most plentiful atmospheri­­c greenhouse gas that can drive multidecad­­al global warming?

If not, why not?
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
SallyMaclennane
Yes I did build that!
10:21 AM on 12/14/2011
What a bunch of hooey.
11:17 AM on 12/14/2011
And what is the Hooey? The Earth is round, it doesn't ride on the back of a giant turtle, It's not the Center of the universe. Just like Science has proven. Climate Change is Science, simple and Proven. The Debate is over.

Are you referring to something else? Please Expound.
11:28 AM on 12/14/2011
The debate is over ?

Along with "things are worse than we thought" the biggest LIES ON PLANET EARTH.
11:30 AM on 12/14/2011
Science also said the earth was flat and at the center of the universe.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:16 PM on 12/14/2011
I will respectfully require you to elaborate a little bit more than that. Otherwise, I might be persuaded that you are woefully uninformed.
09:17 AM on 12/14/2011
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE! THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BIG GUMMINT BOONDOGGLE.
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:08 AM on 12/14/2011
Science denial is beyond parody.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:19 PM on 12/14/2011
Screaming your inanity has no bearing on its lack of veracity.
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
08:12 AM on 12/14/2011
The price for all food in 2011 is expected to rise between 3.5% and 4.5%, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said, followed by an increase of 2.5%-3.5% in 2012.
photo
4everright
My heart went boom
09:10 AM on 12/14/2011
mainly due to the rise in fuel costs
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
10:11 AM on 12/14/2011
Therefore, we should all drive large, inefficient pickumup trucks,SUV's,and sports cars as fast and as much as we can, and fight mass transit, so we can all let the "free" market drive the price of fuel up even more. That way there will be a win win for agrobusinesses and petroleum companies, right righty?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Lesperado
liberal... born that way...
12:33 PM on 12/14/2011
Let's not build railroads, right?
11:30 AM on 12/14/2011
The use of corn for alcohol contributed mightily to these increases.
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
04:13 PM on 12/14/2011
Alcohol contributed nothing to the destruction of agriculture in Texas and Oklahoma by drought. Man up and deal with it.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
chrisd3
Excelsior!
10:21 PM on 12/14/2011
No, that's a myth. Corn for fuel was a bad idea, but it has had little to do with the increase in food prices.
photo
Son of Liberty 1765
Exposing Government Lies.
07:44 AM on 12/14/2011
What a steaming pile of Climatology topped with a fable of global warming and served on a fear platter.
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
08:03 AM on 12/14/2011
A frightened fossil fuel addicted denialist only wants to consume what big daddy says he should.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
08:41 AM on 12/14/2011
Exactly.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
08:04 AM on 12/14/2011
 Your comment is a steaming pile of lies.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
chrisd3
Excelsior!
10:22 PM on 12/14/2011
Weird, it struck me as a steaming pile of nothing at all. :)
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
06:00 AM on 12/14/2011
Ahhh...some things never change. The denialists are still at it. They are just like the flat-earthers, the creationists, the ones who insist that vaccines cause diseases, the ones who insist that tobacco does not cause diseases, the ones who claim that HIV does not cause AIDS, the ones who claim that demon possession is the real cause of mental illness, the ones who claim that the Moon landings were faked, and so on and so forth.

I really wonder what these people do when they are not huffing and puffing on Huff-Po? Do they walk around with aluminum foil wrapped around their heads under their watch caps? Do they sit and clean their guns while looking out the window to see if the aliens have landed yet? What goes thru their minds when they are exposed to concepts like logic, reason, and facts? Do they flee in horror, screaming that the devil is trying to take over their minds?
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
sabelmouse
i love to tumble , ask me why .
08:09 AM on 12/14/2011
so you believe that the tobacco industry lied but pharma doesn't ? how is that ?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jim Milks
Ecologist
09:44 AM on 12/14/2011
There is only one "study" that ever found a link between a vaccine (the MMR vaccine) and a disease (autism) (Wakefield et al. 1998: http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-paper.htm). Unfortunately for Wakefield, multiple large-scale studies involving thousands of children launched after his study failed to find any link (Demicheli et al. 2008: http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004407/using-the-combined-vaccine-for-protection-of-children-against-measles-mumps-and-rubella; DeStefano 2007: http://www.miottawa.org/healthcomm/health/pdf/2007_nature_destefano_vaccines_and_autism.pdf; Gerber and Offit 2009: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full; Honda et al. 2005: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x/abstract; Jefferson et al. 2003: http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/Jefferson.pdf; Mrozek-Budzyn et al. 2010: http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/2010/05000/Lack_of_Association_Between_Measles_Mumps_Rubella.3.aspx). Even more unfortunate for Wakefield, it was revealed that he committed scientific fraud to reach his conclusions (Deer 2011: http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm) and Lancet retracted his fraudulent 1998 paper.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:20 PM on 12/14/2011
I don't see any mention of pharma.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NWBrunette
Blessed Girl
09:01 AM on 12/14/2011
Well said.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
03:30 AM on 12/16/2011
Thanks.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
04:18 AM on 12/14/2011
blame fossil fuel fasi*csts/republicans for climate change and all the associated devistation....as they continue to lead the blind sheep to the mutton house....
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
02:59 AM on 12/14/2011
and this comes on the heels of Mitt Romney's friends all saying the EPA needs much tougher control on getting any further Rules or Laws passed that will cost the 1% profits - vs. safety in the food supply. Why should the Wealthy care- they can afford quality food no matter what the price goes up to. Anybody been to Gelson's markets and seen the $4 a pound apples yet?
02:11 AM on 12/14/2011
Dumping more subsidies to crop insurance is wasting tax payer's money. Look what happens to the health care industry. It is a common sense that getting a better health insurance package has nothing to do to improve one's health status. To restore one's health can be achieved by shifting to a plant-based diet, reported by many scientific studies. In the same token, to reduce the extreme weather events caused by a nature illness can be done by a sustainable plant-based agriculture. Tell Congress to start subsidizing farmers transitioning to organic plant farming. You can do so by clicking "take action" at http://www.concernedcitizensnetwork.org/category/take-action/.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
8020vision
Let's leave the world better than we found it...
12:15 AM on 12/14/2011
netdr said: "There's no increase in the energy of hurricanes for example."

My response.

1. Your link is not working for me. What is it a picture of? Going to the FSU website and delving into COAPS site (the source of your picture link) though, they clearly support anthropogenic climate change. See their report "Climate Scenarios: A Florida-Centric View" at: http://floridaclimate.org/docs/climate_scenario.pdf

Obviously, with much of Florida at or near sea level, they have much to lose in a climate changed world. So it is good that their universities are doing the research needed to understand how global climate change will impact their region.

2. Regarding climate change and hurricanes, Though there is evidence for and against the existence of an anthropogenic signal in the tropical cyclone climate record, no firm conclusion can be made yet. It is likely that some increase in tropical cyclone peak wind-speed and rainfall will occur if the climate continues to warm. Model studies and theory project a 3-5% increase in wind-speed per degree Celsius increase of tropical sea surface temperatures.

Also, as sea level rises, then the vulnerability to tropical cyclone storm surge flooding would increase. Some suggest that frequency of hurricanes may increase, but intensity may decrease.

netdr: You seem to not want people to prepare for climate change. I am wondering what you think would happen if people deepen their understanding of climate change and prepare and plan?

Jay Kimball
8020 Vision
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:39 AM on 12/14/2011
A couple of hurricane prediction specialists just quit because they acknowledged they have no idea what the hurricanes are going to do...
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:12 AM on 12/14/2011
Gotta love relentless unsourced claims by science deniers.

Or not.
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:02 AM on 12/14/2011
They didn't quit..

They quit making annual weather predictions.

-----------------

Q. Why can't science deniers understand the difference between climate and weather?

A. Because they are science deniers, of course.
11:36 AM on 12/14/2011
So you think that the proper metric for measuring hurricane energy is NOT a graph of hurricane energy ?

Sounds like poor thinking skills to me.

http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/global_running_ace.jpg

You probably haven't figured out that HP garbles long URLs and how to untangle them.

It figures.

Here is a tiny URL for the unskilled.

http://tiny.cc/855jl
photo
Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:15 PM on 12/14/2011
So what part of:

"Though there is evidence for and against the existence of an anthropoge­nic signal in the tropical cyclone climate record, no firm conclusion can be made yet."

Are you not clear on?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
M Grey
07 Saluting our armed forces
12:35 PM on 12/14/2011
"You probably haven't figured out that HP garbles long URLs and how to untangle them."
Hey man! I resemble that remark.

Thanks for the graphs! Great stuff!
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:08 AM on 12/14/2011
Best year ever in Saskatchewan.
I've never seen so many farmers saying this was the best year they ever had.
We had wheat go 65 bu/acre, which in our area is spectacular.
40 bu/acres is very very good.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jim Milks
Ecologist
07:08 AM on 12/14/2011
Stan, if you looked at the predictions for regional climate change, Saskatchewan is one of the few places in North America where agriculture is predicted to benefit under global warming. Nice to see an early indication that prediction is valid.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:17 PM on 12/14/2011
Really?
Show me those predictions.
Or did you just make that up?
photo
StephenBP
What's he building in there?
08:22 AM on 12/14/2011
So your philosophy is "global warming is good for me, skru everyone else!" eh? Ha ha! Good one!!!

Well, you do have the cat bird seat at the moment.

Just hope you are ready to assimilate a lot of Texans in the years ahead!

PS. They are really sweet folks! Into guns and conservatism big time! You'll luv em!
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:27 PM on 12/14/2011
No, I said they had the best year ever, but somehow that don't make the news, only the bad news supporting the AGW delusion is reported.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
8020vision
Let's leave the world better than we found it...
11:40 PM on 12/13/2011
netdr said:

"There is no new reality. It hasn't warmed in the 21 st century."

Not so. The past decade was warmest on record. See NOAA State of the Climate report at: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html

Though climate denier talking points make for provocative rhetoric on cable TV and non-critical news organizations, no municipal, state or national government is buying the climate denier talking points.

Most are preparing for the new reality. Do your homework and check out the initiatives cities like Chicago, New York, Miami, etc. are kicking off to prepare.

See my comments elsewhere in this thread for how businesses are preparing, especially insurance companies. My point - Most businesses and governments are still science driven and are making business decisions by dispassionately looking at the science, not the political rhetoric. Any business or government that doesn't examine their exposure to things like climate change, oil scarcity, and water scarcity is going to be a deer in the headlights of the some major trends that change everything about how our world will be in this new century.

Jay Kimball
8020 Vision
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:41 AM on 12/14/2011
Insurance companies?

Of course they are preparing, preparing for huge profits.
The green goons convince eveveryone the world is about to end, and the insurance companies can raise their rates and sell even more insurance.
AGW scare = big profits.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
8020vision
Let's leave the world better than we found it...
03:31 AM on 12/14/2011
Source?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
09:09 AM on 12/14/2011
Did you bother looking at any data? Oh wait, you'll just ignore any facts we throw at you, I forgot.
02:24 AM on 12/14/2011
Agree. Climate change should be the most critical issue that the government should deal with it with the highest priority. If the government doesn't, We, the people should fighting for our own survival. Because no "business entity" would be interested in it.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
09:10 AM on 12/14/2011
You're right.
11:04 PM on 12/13/2011
d) Exxon, Shell, Chevron, BP, and Conoco-Phillips admitted to man-made global warming years ago;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/neil-degrasse-tyson-climate-change_b_1134054_122499348.html

e) 11 of the world's 14 largest publicly traded corporations have greenhouse gas mitigation programs, including Walmart (right-wing Walton family), along with 73% of America's 500 largest corporations. While the other top 3 includes Berkshire Hathaway and two Communist Chinese banks, all of whom are major coal investors (along with Peabody Energy; Arch Coal, and Koch Industries).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/weather-extremes-climate-change_n_1137587_122593388.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/weather-extremes-climate-change_n_1137587_122592277.html

f) The Dept. of Defense, CIA, and Billionaires with net worth 1/3rd $Trillion have publicly stated beliefs in man-made global warming, along with 200 more CEOS, and investment groups controlling $20 Trillion.

http://www.defense.gov/qdr/images/QDR_as_of_12Feb10_1000.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/center-on-climate-change-and-national-security.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15352764

http://investorsonclimatechange.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/2011-Investor-Global-Statement.pdf
11:01 PM on 12/13/2011
In a desperate attempt to keep the hoax going the next story will be about increased STD's because of climate change and how it ravaged the OWS camps.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
09:13 AM on 12/14/2011
Hoax? The entire world must be in on it! The earth is also flat, incase you weren't let in on it.
It's all a CONSPIRACY! Glaciers, floods, fires, droughts, heatwaves, hurricanes, tornadoes, and much more are all in on this global hoax! ARGRGHHALL
10:52 PM on 12/13/2011
OMG, you mean to tell me that the climate did not behave in the manner the farmer wanted it to? Wow, that almost never happens.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
09:15 AM on 12/14/2011
I would deny it too if it weren't for the mountains of observable evidence piling up. Unfortunately, reality has to kick in at some point.