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Andrew Nutra
A Democrat against OWS
06:06 PM on 12/23/2011
OWS is getting lazy, you guys need to drum harder. Check out capitalism gone out of control. You would need at least 10 percussionists on each site to get them to change their ways, maybe a couple of snare drums, bass, timbales, cymbals for tension. Better hurry at the apartment site. She might close her window and won't be able to hear you. It's getting chilly out. Long live the percussion revolution!:

Rush to Buy New Sneakers Leads to Arrests, NYTimes 12/26
When retailers around the country put the new retro Nike Air Jordan basketball shoe on sale Friday, they were hoping for a modest last-minute boost two days before Christmas. What they got instead was a surge of shoppers so intent on buying a pair of the $180 shoes that in at least a dozen cities the police had to be summoned, and in a few cases, arrests had to be made.

Billionaire buys $88 million apartment for daughter, msnbc 12/22/11
After weeks of speculation, it's finally been revealed that Ekaterina Rybolovleva, the 22-year-old daughter of Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, is the purchaser of ex-Citigroup CEO Sandy Weill's penthouse at 15 Central Park West in New York.
rogergoldkin
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
07:53 AM on 12/24/2011
Actually, campaign finance reform will do nicely.
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Andrew Nutra
A Democrat against OWS
10:32 AM on 12/24/2011
Campaign finance will end people's consumerist habits?
05:57 PM on 12/23/2011
Occupy really needs to move to the next level - The millions of supporters who are being ignored.

This is a letter written to Noam Chomsky
Dr. Chomsky,
I'm most interested and grateful for your contributions to The Occupy Movement.
I've looked at this for some time, from the internet perspective and have talked with numerous 'Occupiers' who spent weeks camping. The answers I got back from them were somewhat startling to me. Having been involved in organization building most of my life and observing the strategic moves they make, I'm wondering if you wouldn't find the following helpful to the Movement as a whole.

1. They are ignoring supporters who cannot camp out
2. These people, numbering in the millions need to be reached and their voices heard; their input or 'voting' should be taken into consideration. I saw a poll from one site (one of many factions of OWS) that had an online survey done with a simple Facebook app, allowing people to choose the top 15 of 25 Demands. I believe this is necessary for OWS to involve professionals who work and are unable to attend
3. The leaderless moniker I understand, but the reality is that every city is 'controlled' by a small group who pushes their agenda. Where I live, it is a very leftist movement. No matter what label they would like to have, an organizational structure is incredibly important
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NickandMurcia Sapoznick
People are the money and we are purposely divided
12:56 AM on 12/24/2011
one of the main issues is the 'foreign oil-foreign products edifice' and the fed-consumer-loan system, if people start trying to gather support from bio-diesel (not crop based ethanol, that stuff kills farm land) and restaurants the communication can spread faster with a financially backed support system. Eventually morphing into a (dare i say) special interest group with some real pull. among other things maybe even a politician that is backed by bio-diesel and its market consumers voting public. one of the things about bio is that large scale refinery are not needed at first so jobs creation is intrinsic. also bio is safer to water systems while petroleum killing and polluting the waters raises the price of fish and livestock. Also check out algae bio diesel. Know you're fuels for you're fires.

one thing i have learned is there is no perfect solution to an imperfect problem
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Andrew Nutra
A Democrat against OWS
05:57 PM on 12/23/2011
OWS should leave working Americans alone. At the end of a hard day, the average American just wants to relax and spend time with their families and get ready for the next day. OWS should occupy unemployment offices and homeless shelters. Those people have time on their hands and the most to gain. According to the 12/2/11 Bureau of Labor Statistics Press Release, there are about 13.3 million unemployed people in the US right now. According to the National Coalition for the Homeless there are 3 million homeless people in the US at any given time. Add these numbers together and maybe they can get stuff done. These are the people OWS should be targeting. Average working Americans don't want to be lectured by drumming white kids with dreadlocks on how they should spend their money.
05:56 PM on 12/23/2011
4. There should be already in place, a method of comparing each cities list of Demands and have communication among the cities. Communication is vital to any entity of size....it's also the first thing that happens in warfare; cut off communications
5. Weekend events should be a must. These could include gatherings much like a huge family reunion, where the working person can come and get involved.
6. I was disappointed to see on the OWS website, the marvelous submissions to enhance the initial list of Demands. These were so thoroughly prepared, including all of OWS' Demands, which it could have been sent to Capitol Hill 8 weeks ago. Instead, they polished up minor wording of their original document

7. There are numerous other issues ranging from efforts to romance the press, to branding in a public image marketing sense, to the need to include state governments. The list is longer, but I believe essential.
05:55 PM on 12/23/2011
I would be pleased to prepare a comprehensive list of ideas you might use, in your talks around the country. There is some urgency needed, as we are entering an election year. I would have hoped the Demands would be in every office on Capital Hill by now.

I invite your thoughts and your own twist on these ideas that I believe are necessary to move forward to reach Main St and accumulate 10-15 million to form a feared voting bloc. Dr. King had the support of the nation’s leaders in passing The Civil Rights bill. I believe such things as money out of politics is easily 3x the job that King faced, and this Movement has to be sharp and very, very active to pull off not one, but 10-15 Demands that are as far reaching as what Dr King was trying to accomplish.

I believe they need to know and understand the immense undertaking this is, and with it an organization no less effective as Obama’s during the last election,would be needed in order to be successful. Camping out and raising awareness was a wonderful beginning. I believe Phase Two should begin and would like to share these ideas with someone who has the power or clout within The Movement, to move forward with some of these ideas.

Sincerely,
Kelsey Ness
Ft Worth TX
CC: Huffington Post
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Capitalism Is King
Obama Has Made Things Worse!
04:07 PM on 12/23/2011
Occupy ..... a waste of time, resources and energy.
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04:20 PM on 12/23/2011
So why do you waste your time on something which you judge so perspicuously as being a waste of time?
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cerdayes
11:08 PM on 12/23/2011
freedom of speech is a wate of time? is democracy is a waster of time? was civil rights a waste of time? was women's lib a waste of time?

we sound like a socialist to me.
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
03:43 PM on 12/23/2011
America must be one of the few countries that have a police force paid for and run by corporations.
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04:57 PM on 12/23/2011
All law enforcement is paid for with tax money and run by city, county, state, and federal governmental authority.
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MrStat1
Conservative, NRA and Proud of It
05:46 PM on 12/23/2011
Please show us the legal proof you have of that statement. Do you have reciepts, cancelled checks, what? What do you have that will legally prove your statement?
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Andrew Nutra
A Democrat against OWS
05:54 PM on 12/23/2011
Who cares about proof? It just sounded good to hear I guess.
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15Vortex
Say what you mean, tell the truth
03:31 PM on 12/23/2011
People do not go into the streets unless they feel they have no other option.

Our country is being taken away and sold by certain politicians to wealthy private interests.

We are seeing the actual advent of the end of the American Revolution.

At the time, the forces most concerning to the revolutionaries were the forces of the aristocracy and the Church(es).

There was some concern about private/commercial interests, but that was not the main concern.

Things have changed, if only in the location of the abusive power centers.

The issue is healthy sustaining society. With narrow access to wealth (simple terms) society quickly stagnates sickens and falls apart. Those who suffer are the bottom 99%. Those top people skate from one disaster to another.

Our revolution reversed this in the name of The People.

Now we are losing this fight again.

Speech? Protest? Citizens United put a huge piece in place against us. They can now buy up all the broadcast media time and effectively render elections meaningless exercizes.

The only way out, as for millenia, is mob action in the streets. We have not had this too much in our history because of voting. Unfortunately this has changed.
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MrStat1
Conservative, NRA and Proud of It
03:40 PM on 12/23/2011
If you commit acts of violence you will be taken out violently, arrested, tried and jailed, and righlty so. Don't think for one minute the rest of society is going to just let you take to the streets and commit anarchy. Your violence will be met with equal or significantly more violence against you. And you will deserve it!
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15Vortex
Say what you mean, tell the truth
04:00 PM on 12/23/2011
Threats aside, in the town I live in there was a peaceful protest for several weeks, in the rain and cold. The authorities just cleared the park. Apparently peaceful excersize of civil rights is met with violence as well. Why? Could it be that the powers that be feel their power slipping away and are responding to peace with violence? You ought to think about which side you are on, what your interests are, and whether you will remain free if law enforcement officers start treating more and more people as threats to the authority of the powers that be.
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nkdgolf
Be the best that you can be!
06:24 PM on 12/23/2011
So you're advocating violence? Nice. Good luck with that plan. Bet that will make the movement really popular with the majority of Americans.
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15Vortex
Say what you mean, tell the truth
09:52 PM on 12/23/2011
I'm not advocating violence.

Civil disobodience is not violence.

I am surprised that you think it is.

Your rights are not granted to you by the government. You enjoy them irrespective of the opinion the government or other powers that be may have of you. This is what guarantees your liberty. My liberty.

Our liberty is the key to our prosperity and stability.

Voting can be a form of peaceful protest, as when an incumbent is voted out of office.

When voting does not work, when the government does not represent the interests of the people, seperate from corporations or private interests, despite voting, we have the right to protest.

Right now our country is being stolen from under our very noses. We have to do something about this.

Peaceful protest (mob action in the streets) is the best way.
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Mr MOTO
Three Strikes And You're Not Out!
03:20 PM on 12/23/2011
Barbara Walters, ABC News: "Mrs. Obama, you've recently said something that I thought was very interesting for other women to hear. You said 'you put your own self highest on your priority list.' That sounds selfish?"

Michelle Obama: "No, no, it's practical."

Sounds a little Randian.
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Just My Thoughts 2011
Life's but a walking shadow
02:58 PM on 12/23/2011
ows has gone about it all wrong. They are now irrelevant, and they were never organized enough to be effective.
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Humanity Beyond Profits
one mind at a time, one step a generation...
03:13 PM on 12/23/2011
I think next spring/summer will prove you wrong.
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MrStat1
Conservative, NRA and Proud of It
03:41 PM on 12/23/2011
So they can march around in warm weather with their little signs, making themselves "feel good"?
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Andrew Nutra
A Democrat against OWS
08:03 PM on 12/23/2011
Fair weather revolutionaries. You do know that the poor get oppressed by evil bankers all year round, right?
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15Vortex
Say what you mean, tell the truth
03:19 PM on 12/23/2011
Disagree.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
02:52 PM on 12/23/2011
The new face of the youth-fueled Occupy Wall Street movement is none other than an 84-year-old woman who's spent her life crusading for liberal causes. The image of pepper-sprayed Doril Rainey has quickly gone viral
As Rainey's fellow travelers in the Occupy movement hunt for more details about her, here's what we know so far.

The clash with police As photos from the clash between protesters and police from last night show, the pepper spray was being deployed fairly indiscriminately. When asked about the incident, which also involved the spraying of a pregnant woman and priest, Seattle police spokesman Jeff Kapel said pepper spray is "not age specific. No more dangerous to someone who is 10 or someone who is 80," reports the Associated Press. "We probably wouldn't be using pepper spray if that was the case."

Rainey was last seen being assisted by protesters following the incident. She emailed Dominic Holden at The Stranger alt-weekly describing how it happened.

Well free speech does have its limits as I found out as the cops shoved their bicycles into the crowd and simultaneously pepper sprayed the so captured protesters.. This is what democracy looks like. It certainly left an impression on the people who rode the No. 1 bus home with me.

Wall Street GREED has set America on the Cusp of another Depression
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03:04 PM on 12/23/2011
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move along and #occupy some one else's park.
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MrStat1
Conservative, NRA and Proud of It
03:42 PM on 12/23/2011
They need to occupy a shower and a job.
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diaz9009
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
08:45 PM on 12/23/2011
Those who currently feel "unaffected" by the growing threats to a life worth living think that OWS is a group of unwashed college bums, unhappy about not finding 200K per year careers, when in fact there are moms with babies in carriages, day workers, the elderly, ..all segments affected. In the past week I read that the US funding for low income heating assistance was being cut substantially this year. One 92 year-old woman who had worked til she was 80 (gotta quit sometime!) and was now living in a drafty trailer in a northern state said that she will spend the bulk of this winter huddled in her bed, wrapped in as many covers as she can. In other words, she will have to hibernate til warmer climes arrive (if she survives). Your bio tells me that you know where we already are, and like the great patriot Patrick Henry whose words rang with boldness and life lived in sacrifice, I too, will chose death before surrendering to the encroaching bondage and tyranny.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
05:45 AM on 12/24/2011
Great post...keep the faith and keep the messages coming...we will win
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jzannoni
02:50 PM on 12/23/2011
17,000 veterans
26,000 others 500 infantry
500 cavalry
6 battle tanks
800 police
Casualties and losses
4 dead; 1,017 injured

The Bonus Army was the popular name of an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932 to demand immediate redemption of their service certificates.

Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each service certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment plus compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their certificates.

Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, one of the most popular military figures of the time, visited their camp to back the effort and encourage them.[1] On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the army to clear the veterans' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.
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03:07 PM on 12/23/2011
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another weak attempt to elevate these KOA campers to the march to Selma.
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DebtFreeGreenBacks
direct democracy is our only hope!
02:45 PM on 12/23/2011
might as well sue King George....it ain't gonna get it....

the gov is capture....and the tree of liberty is parched for blood.
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jzannoni
02:44 PM on 12/23/2011
Are you kidding me.......Do these people actually believe we live in a free country and have the right to free speech? I have traveled across the world for over 40 years and have lived in and visited over 50 countries. I have lived outside the US for more that 6 years. There are few countries in the world that come close to matching the police state we live in here in the US. The thousands of laws that exist, that in totality, result in a substantial elimination of many of the basic civil rights and personal freedoms that exist in many other countries are suffocating our way of life. Police and law enforcement are in effect able to do whatever they want and use terrorism or public safety as their excuse. Believe it or not, on balance, personal freedoms today in China are in many ways greater than in the US. With the exception of some gradually disappearing limits on press and internet, the presence of police and law enforcement is significantly less than in the US. Most Chinese believe that there are no "human rights" issues in China. If you consider that in the US we have a greater percentage of our citizens in prison than any other country on the face of the earth that tells the whole story about human rights and civil liberties. The courts are the only avenue whereby this injustice can be reversed.
SapientiaAudit
Tempus Dicit, Sapientia Audit.
03:14 PM on 12/23/2011
Not only a greater percentage of our population is in prison. We actually have more people in prison than any other nation in the world, including China.
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MrStat1
Conservative, NRA and Proud of It
03:42 PM on 12/23/2011
Perhaps that is because we have more criminals per population.
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BLACKCAT66
A realist with a rich inner life
02:43 PM on 12/23/2011
Best OWS sign "screw us and we multiply"