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OtayPanky
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10:59 PM on 08/04/2008
Swanee Hunt: For many of us most closely drawn to Hillary, these conversations are exquisitely difficult. Her success would have been vindication of gender-based power struggles throughout our lives -- with fathers, bosses, brothers, colleagues. So with her loss we're wounded all over again.

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That's the essential problem - and was the essential problem during the campaign.

Rather than look at Hillary through a clear lens, she was looked at through these emerald glasses. She became the embodiment of all these womens' hopes, dreams and fears.

And that's not good for this country - or any country.

No one - not a single person - should vote for Obama because he is the embodiment of ANYTHING. No one should vote for him because of the hopes, dreams and fears of the black community in this country.

Vote for him ONLY because, of the people actually running come November, you believe he is the best choice ON THE MERITS, and nothing else.

Women who remain so dispirited that they want to take their ball and go home, or hold their breath till they turn blue, need to take up some sort of mindfulness practice. They need to step OUT of themselves and LOOK at their thoughts, rather than be dragged through the mud by them through November.

That kind of inner work is just as important as the outer work of removing any remaining barriers to women in public life.
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Pupadup4oBama
08:34 AM on 08/05/2008
Otay - PLEASE get this message out to all those disbelievers.

This is NOT about women's issues, this is not about african american issues, this is not about gay issues or religious issues. This is about what is best for our COUNTRY - our beloved country that has fallen into the hands of some very EVIL people - and it would only get worse with a McCain administration.

We can't use the presidency as a tool for vindication - that is not what it's about - that's not what the founding fathers wanted.

Just because she lost the candidacy for president - doesn't mean she can't go on to bigger and better things - if anything hopefully this has given her some insight as to what she will really be able to do for the benefit of the greater good. Look at Al Gore - look at what he has gone on to do that he probably wouldn't have been able to do as president.
Please, do not despair people...she can become an even BIGGER part of history - but we have to work together.
11:16 AM on 08/05/2008
Hillary perversely made it about "women's issues" and co-opted ALL women, inappropriately as HER CURRENCY w/in the Democratic Party -- at the end, when she was losing.

Bill Clinton tried to do this with African-Americans, who his PR SPINNERS (for millions) created a false narrative they somehow OWED Bill -- and by default, Hillary -- their votes.

I remember Hillary Clinton telling New Yorkers she didn't intend to run for the Presidency. I remember her telling New Yorkers she did NOT want to run "as a woman" -- but as a candidate for the Presidency based upon merit.

Clinton Inc. will do ANYTHING to win. Ditto, McCain and Bush Inc. (as we saw in 2000).

We chose a Presidential Nominee who will not put a FOR SALE sign on the Lincoln Bedroom -- again.

I resent Hillary Clinton's leveraging ALL women as her personal currency. Of all women I know -- she, the beneficiary of all the legacy/association/institutional/marriage largesse there is -- DOES NOT SPEAK FOR OR REPRESENT ME.

I am nobody's victim -- and, even when I am -- I don't leverage victimhood as currency to achieve my goals or get my way -- nor do the women I know. We pick ourselves up and, in a proactive and mature way, move on -- and up!
10:49 PM on 08/04/2008
The comment below suggests that women should always stand behind black males by some sort of "historical birthright". It is amazing how some people can have such a firm grasp of racism and be so willingly blind to such a blatantly sexist statement as that.

I appreciate the post about the 18 million cracks. I am tired of people trying to shove the whole thing under the rug here under the fig leaf of trashing all things Clinton. The silence over female achievements needs to be broken. We need to educate others and embrace our history. More males shouting "shut up" or stay in your place behind us simply isn't acceptable.
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RedKnuckles
10:48 PM on 08/04/2008
Thanks for an artful and beautiful post! Most importantly in what you write is the fact that this election is so vitally important that we can't harbor grievances too long and allow McCain to get in. While historic, it is somewhat tragic that the first major black and woman candidates for president happened to run at the same time for the same party. Neither one was my first choice initially, but one thing I never doubted was my full support to the Dem candidate no matter who it turned out to be.
10:45 PM on 08/04/2008
I think that this is a fantastic post that all Hillary supporters should read. It is generous in spirit and the writer truly sees the bigger picture, which is electing a leader who can continue to fight for the rights of women and all other Americans. And we all know that John McCain is no champion of women's rights; his voting record makes that abundantly clear. The choice is a no-brainer: Obama 08!
10:41 PM on 08/04/2008
What an eloquent, and beautiful explanation you give. No fancy stories, no "glorious outcome," just a quiet acceptance and inner strength with the knowledge that we promote our cause as women best by doing what we do best, which is be strong women of quiet acceptance. Doesn't dampen our determination or fortitude a bit. Every step forward IS a step forward.

Thank you for the lovely article.
10:28 PM on 08/04/2008
are you kidding me?
Women like me, well educated, long time democrats, are not following Obama because
he is "inexperienced".
He cannot run this country and I would rather vote for anyone else
than Obama.
What is his record exactly? What has he ever done but run for president?
11:08 PM on 08/04/2008
oh please speak only for yourself
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mairs
Ebony and Ivory
11:12 PM on 08/04/2008
If you don't know by now you have consciously not looked. That's fine. Vote for the other one. Go away and do that.
10:25 PM on 08/04/2008
OK Swanee, but this whole conversation is premature when we don't yet know who Obama is picking for his running mate. Asking me to support Obama when I don't yet know this is like asking me to make an important decision when I don't yet have all the facts! Whether or not he chooses Hillary is a deal breaker for me and for many women I know. It will tell me a lot about his judgement and character. It will tell me whether or not he really wants to unify the party or is just on an ego trip. It will tell me if he really cares about people like me. But, you will say, John McCain doesn't care about people like me! But at least John McCain is saying what he believes and not thumbing his nose at me! At least he has some humility and has worked hard to serve his country. I don't agree with a lot of his stands, but I don't dislike him. If Obama passes over Hillary for VP, however, I will seriously dislike him. I won't trust him. You and Hillary can push the party line but we all know you have to. If you are so worried about people like me voting for McCain, then call Mr. Obama up and remind him that over half the party did not vote for him, and the superdelegates who are handing him this nomination will be just another single vote like everybody else's come November.
11:09 PM on 08/04/2008
the vice president will no longer be running the country
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Ebony and Ivory
11:17 PM on 08/04/2008
It will tell me about his judgment and character as well. Will he pander and cave? Or will he pick someone who will truly compliment and augment his abilities, someone not forced on him? I will vote depending on those results.
12:13 AM on 08/05/2008
Oh come on Mairs you'll vote for him no matter who he picks. He's your guy and he got the top of the ticket. Be grateful not greedy.
10:26 PM on 08/04/2008
Maybe the next time a woman running for president won't resort to Rovian tactics, ( or Tonya Harding for that matter ) to take a fellow Democrat out at the knees.

Blame Mark Penn, or Bill or the Gollem Carville, but really the onus is on the woman who ran for the nomination. The woman who knew full well Barack Obama wasn't a Muslim, and the woman who endorsed Senator McCain over a fellow democrat.

Being female doesn't give you a free pass to play dirty politics, and she did. Don't be overly proud of that.
11:17 PM on 08/04/2008
"The woman who knew full well Barack Obama wasn't a Muslim,"

She knows this? How? Because he said so? How many other things has he said that have changed over time? Too many to count.

She answered in the only way she could: that he wasn't as far as she knew. Any other answer would be asking her to put her integrity on the line for him. Something I wouldn't recommend for anyone to do.
12:24 AM on 08/05/2008
If I knew Barack Obama wasn't a Muslim , Hillary Clinton should have known.

Or if she's less informed than me, maybe I should have run against him.
02:54 AM on 08/05/2008
The Bosnia integrity?
11:41 PM on 08/04/2008
I would not be proud of that at all (dirty politics), but the general public is so stupid it seems. A lot of my wants and needs aren't going to be met, regardless, so what the heck. I sit at home come November.
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Pupadup4oBama
08:49 AM on 08/05/2008
If you are not proud of the dirty politics....(of which there have been MANY as of late) then why would you sit home???
10:14 PM on 08/04/2008
Give us Hillary and the Democrat will win the general election. Give us a fraud playing president hand picked by DNC elitist and we will vote McCain. Guarantee!

PUMA Power!
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mairs
Ebony and Ivory
11:18 PM on 08/04/2008
Thank you PUMAs for disenfranchising my vote and millions of others because you choose to not face the truth.
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wheresthebeef
01:35 PM on 08/05/2008
You can have Hillary...and welcome to her.
09:57 PM on 08/04/2008
You just don't get it. It's gone way past policy. It's integrity. Obama will not get my vote. Period.
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mairs
Ebony and Ivory
11:55 PM on 08/04/2008
Like you, for me it is integrity. She would not have gotten my vote.
12:37 AM on 08/05/2008
Well clearly she didn't! But what does that have to do with anything? This is an article from one Hillary supporter directed to other Hillary supporters.
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Pupadup4oBama
09:15 AM on 08/05/2008
From one puppy mom to another - please, please, please rethink your position.
We promise we won't call you a flip flopper!
09:51 PM on 08/04/2008
It's not about hurt, it's about fitness for office. PUMAs are not against Barack Obama for any other reason than that he is unqualified and unelectable. That is why his numbers are tanking faster than the Titanic. You can fool some of the people some of the time, and Barack banked on that. The DNC fell for his teleprompter charm, and so did I. But I am not in charge of vetting candidates - the DNC is. Did they know he went to an anti-American church for 20 years? If America had known that on January 1, 2008, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Barack Obama would never have made it this far. Did Howard Dean and Donna Brazile know Obama launched his state senate campaign from an unrepentant terrorist's (Bill Ayers) house? Again, he would have been toast. Did Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid realize Barack's legislative record is lackluster, at best and his voting record is full of empty "presents"? He's an empty suit - that's why PUMAs won't vote for him. Bring Hillary back - she is our only hope at this point!
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luvangelHussein330
12:00 AM on 08/05/2008
The Reverend Wright issue came out in the summer of 2007, and camp hillary was the one to break the news...
12:38 PM on 08/05/2008
If he were unelectable, how did he win the primaries against the "electable" candidate? How did he manage to raise a great deal more money? And it is a fact that he uses the teleprompter less than the other candidates (and when he does, at least he can read). The DNC did NOT give him his nomination. He won more pledged delegates, very fairly according to party rules which were in place before the primary, than did Clinton, encouraging the superdelegates to follow the lead of the pledged delegates. As for the polls, they are up and down, but Obama has had the edge and still has the edge in most of them. The fact that he is African American and doing this well is a testament to his talent and ability. As for his legislative record, obviously you haven't checked it out, and 100 "Present" votes out of 4,000 mean nothing. We don't care if PUMAs vote for him. If their only interest is in one family then they are not productive members of the Democratic Party and should look elsewhere.
09:39 PM on 08/04/2008
It's not just about women. It's a generational thing also, and a clash of personalities. Now, as if the youngness, inexperience and annoying self-confidence of the presumed nominee weren't enough, he is reinventing himself daily in some apparent attempt to mainstream himself.
Bottomline is: if you don't like the guy, you don't like him. You could point out issues and disasterous Bush policies of the last 8 years, but we're looking at the person we want for President.
I will not blame McCain for Bush, and I will not assume that Obama can give us the effective economic policies that a Clinton administration would bring us. My vote is not transferable. My second choice is still McCain.
09:39 PM on 08/04/2008
Why not insist on a nomination vote for Hillary in Denver? It is so obvious that Obama can't seal the deal. This was plainly clear after March when he should have sailed to victory, but was rejected over and over again after true vetting took place. Most of Obama's victories were when no one knew much about him. Now, not even the biased media attention can save him. DEMOCRATS it is NOT TOO LATE FOR HILLARY. Demand a meaningful roll call vote in Denver.

Hillar '08- I'm not waiting for '12.
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Ebony and Ivory
11:55 PM on 08/04/2008
She had a huge head start in superdelegates, name support, wife of a past president, supporters. And she lost it bit by bit. She not only couldn't seal the deal, she lost her huge lead that she had right out of the gate. Since when does second place mean she should win? Since this election season?
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Pupadup4oBama
09:02 AM on 08/05/2008
Why can't McCain "seal the deal."?
Let's put the onus on HIM.
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09:29 PM on 08/04/2008
if one views the election of barack obama to the democratic slot for president in an historical timeline, it seems appropriate for a black presidential candidate to achieve the office first.... they had the vote over half a century before women did.

when hillary would not throw in the towel i was ticked off. as a republican (a REAL republican registered at 18, in california, my grandfather ran against reagan for republican primary of governor in the 60s) i very excited about the obama candidacy, and know that there are many more like me.

i have followed him since before iowa: as a staunch opponent of the war (i marched in feb. in nyc freezing) as a candidate of change, as a beautiful rhetorician.

at the end of the campaign, when hillary stepped down, i admired her in the same way i admired her after the senate victory in '00. she put the whole culture on fast forward and that was a gift to generations of women AND men to live in a future of increased equality.
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09:25 PM on 08/04/2008
if one views the election of barack obama to the democratic slot for president in an historical timeline, it seems appropriate for a black presidential candidate to achieve the office first.... they had the vote over half a century before women did.

when hillary would not throw in the towel i was ticked off. as a republican (a REAL republican registered at 18, in california, my grandfather ran against reagan for republican primary of governor in the 60s) i very excited about the obama candidacy, and know that there are many more like me.

i have followed him since before iowa: as a staunch opponent of the war (i marched in feb. in nyc freezing) as a candidate of change, as a beautiful rhetorician.

at the end of the campaign, when hillary stepped down, i admired her in the same way i admired her after the senate victory in '00. she put the whole culture on fast forward and that was a gift to generations of women AND men to live in a future of increased equality.