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09:30 AM on 01/17/2012
I heard a retired soldier say last night that this act was considered a war crime
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serialcoma
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09:40 AM on 01/17/2012
It violates the First Geneva Convention which the US ratified meaning it carries the force of US law.... it is a war crime to desecrate the bodies of enemies.
12:33 PM on 01/17/2012
What is it with these Shoot from the Hip republicans? Don't they bother to look anything up before opening their mouth?
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09:51 AM on 01/17/2012
Violation of the Geneva Conventions.
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Drewood
"Sheep go to hell too. " A.Gote
09:29 AM on 01/17/2012
Why wouldn't he defend them, it's not like they were gay.
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dwedge
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09:29 AM on 01/17/2012
Poor Rick. Why is it necessary to explain to him that the vast majority of our military personnel follow standards of conduct that are exemplary? It is necessary to condemn these actions because they do not represent those standards. How did Perry make it through a tour of duty and never grasp that?
jokerdanny
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09:29 AM on 01/17/2012
the administration didn't call anyone despicable, they called the act despicable; one act does not a person make; perry knows that, as does the president
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Johnny Galileo
09:44 AM on 01/17/2012
I'm willing to bet Perry can't follow that line of reasoning.
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10:30 AM on 01/17/2012
i think your right especially considering that perry also said that dressing down those soldiers by obama was an attack on the entire military, which if you apply that reasoning to perry then his dressing down of the commander-in-chief is also a dressing down of the military; like chris matthews said, "perry isn't ready for prime time, but sadly he's good enough to be governor of texas"
09:28 AM on 01/17/2012
Perry actually says he would reprimand them but not call their acts "despicable". Perry´s position is to uphold basic rules in the military on the one hand while respecting the situation of the front line citizen soldiers.

War may brutalize soldiers, and commanders must understand that. These soldiers may just have survived an ambush or IED, perhaps having endured gruesome events in the past. How can we be the judge? In France after D-day there were numerous reports of savagery. At some point allied forces did not take prisoners. The commanders did however not grasp the opportunity to blast them publicly.

As a commander you deal with it through the disciplinary system. You will not use the soldiers to highlight your own moral standards or to play (regional and national) politics while the soldiers you command still risk their lives.

Perry makes an important point; the Obama administration tries to have it both ways: soldiers risking their lives for their country while distancing themselves from the ugly realities and necessities of warfare.

Urinating on fallen enemies should prompt strict penalties, and I suspect the Marine Corps will ... but I am more prone to forgive the soldiers than the administrations grand standing on regular soldiers expense .... There is lacking respect on both sides. It´s just that I would expect the MoD in the comfort of Washington to show sounder judgement and courage. Election campaigns should expose such faults and Perry did.
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09:57 AM on 01/17/2012
I'd say international politics are pretty un-forgiving and when an issue like this crops up it's less a disciplinary issue and more of a political issue. Of course it showing up on the web doesn't help.
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
10:38 AM on 01/17/2012
What a good comment and it shows such great common sense.
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rMatey
old, recovered Xtian, Liberal
09:23 AM on 01/17/2012
It would have been a little bit better if it was several women marines peeing.
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motherforpeace
09:16 AM on 01/17/2012
Part of being in the military is about honor and code. The fact that these marines did this means they not only dishonored themselves, but their platoon and their country. They have been trained to know that even during war there are rules that cannot be broken for self gratification because of its consequences. The consequences will slap us all across the face when this kind of stuff is used to recruit more individuals against us and to do more wretched things which would probably be recorded on video and played for retaliation. So the acts of these individuals who know they violated rules of conduct have not only disgraced what this country stands for, but have made the situation for our soldiers still fighting a more hostile and volatile one. Just look at what what that Pastor who wanted to hold the Quran burning did. Sometimes it's not about the right to do something or the stress the individuals are under, but the reasons why we hold ourselves to a higher standard.
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ramal
One's only real life is the life one never leads.
09:15 AM on 01/17/2012
Rick Perry is PEEtiful.
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Dave Dave
Be like water
09:13 AM on 01/17/2012
Perry point out they were dead corpses, and it would be different for live corpses.
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gravescanada
09:12 AM on 01/17/2012
Our Soldiers put their lives on the line every minute of every day. At that time, they are expected to maintain the Core values and principles of their perspective Branch of the Military. What those Marines did violated their Core Values. They will be dealt with accordingly.
Core Values for The Marine Corp.

Honor
Marines are held to the highest standards, ethically and morally. Respect for others is essential. Marines are expected to act responsibly in a manner befitting the title they’ve earned.
Courage
Courage is not the absence of fear. It is the ability to face fear and overcome it. It is the mental, moral and physical strength ingrained in every Marine. It steadies them in times of stress, carries them through every challenge and aids them in facing new and unknown confrontations.
Commitment
Commitment is the spirit of determination and dedication found in every Marine. It is what compels Marines to serve our country and the Corps. Every aspect of life in the Corps shows commitment, from the high standard of excellence to vigilance in training.

http://www.marines.com/main/index/making_marines/culture/traditions/core_values
uk progressive
He took a face from the ancient gallery
09:09 AM on 01/17/2012
People who are trying to exuse the actions of these marines by comparing them to the actions of al qaeda or the taliban need to understand that criticising them and punishing them through due process is what makes democratic countries work and be admired.just look at afghanistan or somalia and their justice system or free media.
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09:08 AM on 01/17/2012
Refresher Course on Rules of War:
1) Put bullet through enemy head: OK
2) Waterboarding: OK
3) Collateral damage: OK
4) Peeing on enemy: OK
5) Peeing on enemy while camera running: Not OK
Now get back to work.
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serialcoma
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09:41 AM on 01/17/2012
Seems you're okay with the US violating treaties it has ratified.. you are dismissed.
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09:55 AM on 01/17/2012
The false sense of power that comes from misguided and unsustainable empire leads to absurdities as you have noted.
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09:57 AM on 01/17/2012
Oh, and I forgot one item:
"Making up lies about WMD's to start an unprovoked war: OK" **

**Careful: Beware, sarcastic comment
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duckpuddle
Coexist, it's easier.
09:00 AM on 01/17/2012
The more Perry shows himself, the more I feel he would be less of a president than George W. Bush.
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09:44 AM on 01/17/2012
Perry will never be President.

He'll but lucky to keep his job as Governor.
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09:56 AM on 01/17/2012
He'll BE lucky - whoops
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09:56 AM on 01/17/2012
What took you this long to come to that conclusion? ;)
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duckpuddle
Coexist, it's easier.
10:27 AM on 01/17/2012
I just couldn't believe that Texas would do that twice in a row.
09:00 AM on 01/17/2012
Yeah RIck, we start throwing around words like despicable it's just going to make starting the next war that much harder. We got Iran coming up, we got to think about that. I mean what are we gonna do, just not have a war? SNARK
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Roy49
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09:00 AM on 01/17/2012
We understand you clearly Mr. Perry. We understand that the problem is YOU. You just don't understand. I am sure your tune would be a whole lot different if the Marines (or Afghanis tans) were pissing all over your dead son's or daughter’s corpses! Then, it would be an abomination and you would be demanding their heads be impaled on pointed poles! Somewhat like the American people who are DEMANDING that you stop embarrassing yourself by running for president! LOL!!
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The Right is Wrong
Pissing off CONS for more than 57 years!
09:50 AM on 01/17/2012
Well stated!