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MSROADKILL612
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09:44 AM on 03/03/2012
PS - the court case cost about $30m - that they admit to

think about the other costs like incarceration & dole for their families while in jail
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MSROADKILL612
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09:41 AM on 03/03/2012
one of about 12 guys convicted of terrorism here in oz had been on the dole for 19 years - explode bombs at our version of the superbowl - 100k people - go figure
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MSROADKILL612
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09:11 AM on 03/03/2012
not to be sneezed at either is u r importing criminals which are an even bigger blight than freeloaders

think of the cost of proving an offence & incarceration - its huge

even a legit immigrant - can u trust the country of origins records - health too
02:58 PM on 03/03/2012
Immigrants are far less likely to be criminals than native born are.

Think about it-if even a misdemeanor can get you deported, you'd be more law abiding too. Immigrant neighborhoods are very safe. El Paso is one of the safest cities in the US.
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MSROADKILL612
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05:21 AM on 03/04/2012
yes, i can believe what u say, but i here the mexican gangs are the most vicious of all bar the columbians
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John Derrick
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09:31 AM on 03/05/2012
But many of the illegals have false ID and continue to slip through many means of "correction" leaving the alternative of deportation. As many as half simply cross the border again with different ID... American law enforcement has primarily served a population known to law enforcement. These illegals (aka undocumented) are able to shift their ID and backgrounds to serve what social interest? Their own.... Many of these illegals were a burden to Mexico. Their own country chooses to ignore their plight so, they are left to becoming a burden upon America. Mexico must be rejoicing each time one of their "poor" crosses into America.
06:37 AM on 03/03/2012
All one has to do is look at the educational cost due to illegal immigration in two states...NY and California. While you are at it look at why both states are borderline bankrupt.

Only way to eradicate illegal immigration in this nation is to amend the "anchor baby" clause. To get rid of people who are here now is going to be real hard but we can stop the madness going forward and promote/insist other countries take better care of their own.

I do question the article and would to hear back from the people in quotes in the article and what i would liek to hear back is this scenario...a couple comes into America without a dime in their pocket. The lady is 9 months pregnant and she immediately delivers her baby. Now tell me...for the next x number of years (include the hospital bill for the baby) with the illegal couple not having money how do they live? How do they pay for the hospital visit?
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MSROADKILL612
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09:07 AM on 03/03/2012
have to agree - very shortsighted rule/scam
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Dave Ryan MD
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01:00 PM on 03/04/2012
About two-thirds of them don't pay for it. A third pay cash, gradually. The rest tend to deliver in charity/county/teaching hospitals that write off that expense.
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Elyriaohio
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06:27 AM on 03/03/2012
Lets start with Jobs & Healthcare. Then you can kick the poor & immigrants all you want.
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Rob Paterson1
04:27 AM on 03/03/2012
undocumented immigrants cannot get goverment anything, not even do their taxes, remember?
this are skewed percentages for someone else advantage.
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Dave Ryan MD
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01:02 PM on 03/04/2012
They get public education. They get hospital care in case of emergencies and in labor/deliveries, most of which is paid for at the county government level.
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Robert SF
08:45 PM on 03/04/2012
Illegal immigration is to the advantage of the wealthiest 1%. Not only does it cheapen their labor costs, but also it introduces civil tension and social rot, which is always to the advantage of the aristocracy. The rising crime rate, after all, only affects us. They're safe behind their gated compounds.
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Rob Paterson1
04:23 AM on 03/03/2012
lol, skewed percentages!
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spytheweb
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03:19 AM on 03/03/2012
 "All immigrants are less likely to move to states with large welfare programs in recent years."

"States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
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09:59 PM on 03/02/2012
Conservatives need to make a choice too. Will we please the many corporations that rely on underpaid labor(all too often undocumented) , or continue to berate and harrass neighbours with dark skin , an accent , or non-gringo names regardless of documentation. Ask the business or immigrant community how the tough n ready approach is workin in Alabama.
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Marcus Anonymous
07:14 PM on 03/02/2012
This analysis ignores the problem of the increased use of welfare and other social safety net expenditures on behalf of citizens and legal immigrants as a result of higher unemployment and/or reduced wages.

Although apologists for illegal immigrants claim that illegals only take jobs that "Americans don't want," most illegals work along side less-skilled citizens and legal immigrants. After almost every time an immigration raid shuts down a plant, it opens again under the eyes of ICE with new, legal workers and often at higher wages. The idea that "Americans don't want these jobs" is an outright lie, although Americans may not want to settle for the low wages that illegal immigrants are willing to accept..

Many Americans, especially older, unskilled men, have simply left the labor force or taken early retirement or disability: a big financial drain. Furthermore, they no longer pay taxes. The illegals that took their jobs may pay some taxes in their stead, but the net government budget effect is clearly negative.

Thus, arguments like Mr.Nowrasteh's, which ignore the effects of displaced workers are clearly wrong. On the other hand, the liberal economist (and Nobel Price Winner) Paul Krugman got it right.

"On the other side, however, open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global."

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/the-curious-politics-of-immigration/
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11:19 PM on 03/02/2012
You seem to be very uninformed of the academic literature on the subject. Acording to Sari Kerr and William Kerr writing a survey of relevant research for the National Bureau of Economic Research:

"The large majority of studies suggest that immigration does not exert signi…cant effects on native labor market outcomes. Even large, sudden in fl‡ows of immigrants were not found to reduce native wages or employment signi…cantly. Effects that do exist tend to be relatively small and concentrated among natives or past immigrants that are close substitutes."

And on the effects on government finances:

"The literature on public fi…nances does not allow as many de…finitive conclusions. It is clear that recent immigrants to Northern Europe are likely on average to use more social bene…ts than natives, especially in the case of refugees. Likewise, it is very clear that the net social impact of an immigrant over his or her lifetime depends substantially and in predictable ways on the immigrant’s age at arrival, education, reason for migration, and similar."
http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/09-013.pdf

Immigrants drive down the wages of natives with whom they are close substitutes (i.e. high-school dropouts), but they actually increase the wages of other native workers through a complementary effect. It seems down right immoral to keep millions of potential immigrants from freely moving to this country just to protect the wages of high school drop outs from dropping slightly.
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Marcus Anonymous
11:58 PM on 03/02/2012
Neal,

When these guys win a Nobel Prize for disproving the Law of Supply and Demand, I'll take notice.

When I have wasted my time on the literature that claims to show little effect, (like Andrew Card -- dropped from the bottom of the deck), there is never the statistical base to support his conclusions. For example, he has no way of distinguishing legal from illegal immigration. Nor can he distinguish skill levels so he uses education as a proxy.

On the other hand, George Borjas and Andrew Sum have reached starkly different conclusions.

There is however, an enormous difference between failure to prove something and disproving it. For example, the recent natural experiment in Alabama shows that the necessary wage increases to replace the illegal migrant workers would be huge.

In any case, you almost never hear of illegal immigrants making decent, middle class wages. The true "War on the Middle Class" is replacing middle class blue collar workers with illegal immigrants at a fraction of the wage.

However, I take great moral umbrage at your indifference to the condition of America's working poor:" high school drop outs" in your terminology.

If these people are poor, Neal, it is because it is the policy of people like you to keep them poor.
06:45 AM on 03/03/2012
Curious did you look up the cost of illegal immigration in the two states I mentioned? To mock American citizens over illegals like you do is really sad.
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nasknit
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02:09 AM on 03/06/2012
Wow, Something on which Paul Krugman & I agree!
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hrpmap
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04:57 PM on 03/02/2012
More immigrants poured into an already accorss the board down economy that isn't producing enough jobs for those already here is like pouring gas on a fire. Government protecting illegal immigrants as Holder and this admin is doing in this situation is completely outragous.
04:50 PM on 03/02/2012
The cross-roads that we are at is not an either or for immigration or welfare state. It is nationalism or globalism. Time to get your ducks in a row. Are we a country with a national economy that enjoys such arcane things as sovereignty and identity or.... are we a subsidiary state in a global economy of homgonized serfs serving at the will of the corporate gentry? This is not a tough cross-roads, but we are a nation sleep-walkers and day dreamers and it is about time to get this straight.
05:30 PM on 03/02/2012
well said Henry, and a thought provoking point. Sadly, I think we've become a subsidiary state in a global economy.
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BBackSoon
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06:48 PM on 03/02/2012
Oh, I think we walked right past that crossroad a few years back.
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FoonTheElder
Always choosing between the lesser of two evils
02:16 PM on 03/02/2012
The only reason illegals come here is that the same cheap corporations that are enticing them and hiring them here are the ones who destroyed the economy in their home. The problem is big corporate cheapness and greed, not the people who have been financially destroyed by it. http://www.thenation.com/article/165438/how-us-policies-fueled-mexicos-great-migration?page=full
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BBackSoon
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06:51 PM on 03/02/2012
No freaking doubt.

The last time I was down at one of our plants about 4 years ago, I asked how much the basic shop floor workers made, it was about $90 a week.

Have you ever been to a grocery store in Mexico? It is not that much cheaper. But they don't have to worry as much about housing, lots of buses and I believe health care is provided.
06:04 PM on 03/04/2012
So what is your point? We owe them something?
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MSROADKILL612
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09:13 AM on 03/03/2012
its welfare too - not many countrys pay u not to work
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BlackJAC
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02:08 PM on 03/02/2012
Why do economics majors who work for think tanks always insist on sticking their noses in things they don't understand?
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BBackSoon
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06:51 PM on 03/02/2012
Yep, Look at my comment below.
01:44 PM on 03/02/2012
In Florida the Republicans have a super majority in the government. The Republicans brought up a E-verify bill and it was stopped by a Republican senator who just so happens to be a farmer who is one of the largest employers of illegal immigrants in the state.