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AdV2k1
02:59 AM on 10/26/2008
Gays Got greedy. If they would of asked nicely for Civil Unions they probably would of gotten that, but they wanted marriage and went to far. Don't they remember the outrage because of Ellen TV show 10 years ago ? Seriously they think they can get married already, it takes time for the public to come around and they got greedy and wanted to much. I voted for Gay Marriage in Texas it failed badly. I have nothing against gays and lifestyle but you have to learn how to walk before you learn how to run. How many states have laws against "Bi-Racial" marriages, Blacks didn't say they want that law revoked 10 years after Martin Luther King.
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Mysticalsister
Changing minds, one pithy comment at a time.
03:23 AM on 10/26/2008
i've been walking long enough thank you, and when i can vote to take away you're rights, you can talk. otherwise, shutthefuckup.
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hypnotoad72
Freedom = real democracy = living wages
08:31 AM on 10/26/2008
"you're rights"? Do you mean "your rights" or "you're right"?
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midknightryder13
03:26 AM on 10/26/2008
The beginning of the 'gay civil rights' movement is considered to be the Stonewall riots in NYC. That was in 1969! Pray tell how do you figure it's only been 10 years?
Incidentally, the US Supreme Court case that STRUCK DOWN the laws against interracial marriage (Loving v Virginia) was decided in 1967! The March on Washington was in 1963 and his first civil rights activity was in 1955. (The Montogomery Bus Boycott)
So, I put it to you -- exactly how long do we have to 'walk'?
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
07:17 AM on 10/26/2008
The rights of children are also protected under the law, though. Marriage is a union between consenting adults. The outlaw of incest applies (albeit by different measure in different states) because of its inherent tendency to infringe the rights of children.

Again, this goes to the heart of law. A minor cannot enter into a legal contract. The exceptions are sports and entertainment contracts, but there are particulars. One is the contract is subject to strict health and safety (and general welfare) provisions. The other is that even then, the minor child can declare the contract null and void pretty much at will, so long as they do so before the age of 18. Contracts with minors are generally deemed to be legally unenforceable.
02:59 AM on 10/26/2008
I urge you all to read this diary posting from DailyKos entitled:

"Is the Mormon Church's involvement in the "Yes on 8" campaign in California violating tax-exempt statutes?"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/25/2370/9643/355/642383

Perhaps this should be reported to the Internal Revenue Service. There could very well be a story and/or lawsuit that might be developed from what the author is suggesting.
09:08 AM on 10/26/2008
There appears to be a clear violation of federal law.

But it goes beyond that.

The 501 (C) 3 status allows the organization to have not only tax exempt status but also TAX DEDUCTION of donations.

For example, I go to the Church of Utah.

I make my tithings or donations.

I get to deduct those donations on my federal tax return.

In other words, you and I as US taxpayers are subsidizing the Church of Utah's political activities.
07:31 PM on 10/26/2008
Absolutely!
EVERY taxpayer is subsidizing EVERY religion and always has.
Cannot imagine this could change in our lifetimes but it certainly SHOULD, it's a sick disgrace.
06:42 PM on 10/26/2008
The Mormon Church is not lobbying or going for any particular candidate. Those are the only cases that would jeopardize their tax-exempt status. Just because it is a Church, it does not mean it can't have an opinion on a social issue.
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evgolightly
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02:57 AM on 10/26/2008
Enough with the gay marriage argument right now. And stifle it Ellen.

We have bigger fish to fry.

You can't be serious about this in a time of economic crisis, two wars, and a republican party that's itching for a way to diviide us over social differences.

America isn't ready for gay marriage. We will lose every election if we focus on this issue, which will mean WWIII. Period.

Give us 10 years and shut up in the meantime.
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LiberalBuzz
Voting republican is voting against America.
03:14 AM on 10/26/2008
Yeah....that arguement led to Equal Schooling....we saw how well that worked out.
06:46 AM on 10/26/2008
color is not something they can change.........being gay is a choice of life style

http://www.protectmarriage.com/
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siney
attitude of gratitude...
03:26 AM on 10/26/2008
this is a ballot issue for california, not the whole country. geez, relax. this issue will be fought state court by state court and eventually the u.s. supreme court will weigh in, almost certainly with a finding that the already determined fundamental right to marriage does apply to ALL americans, that all americans enjoy equal protection of the law...

and that can't happen soon enough as far as i'm concerned...the whole notion that the public thinks it should weigh in on this issue vis a vis ballot initiatives/voting booth/legislative action is just wrong thinking...we are talking fundamental rights here and as such there is no room for debate of these rights nor their application...that one person's religious values or personal sensibilities should be ruffled or otherwise offended is beside the point...we are a nation of laws, these laws apply to each and every one of us, each and every one of us should enjoy the same protections our laws and constitution afford, and and as such each and every one of us should enjoy the same fundamental rights....
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evgolightly
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03:43 AM on 10/26/2008
I agree wholeheartedly. This is a matter for the supreme court.

So rather than energize more of the lunatic fringe to vote NATIONWIDE (this website is not exclusive to Ca, right?) let's keep quiet and let the courts decide.

I'm tired of losing elections over the little picture.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
07:38 AM on 10/26/2008
Iowa Supreme Court on December 9.
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Mysticalsister
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02:23 AM on 10/26/2008
The dirty little secret behind "Prop Hate" is this: the mormons got their funny underware all in a twist because of Warren Jeffs and his 13 year old brides. They want this law in every state so that they can point to it and say -- "See, we're one of you. Those crazy compound freaks have nothing to do with mormonism." By funding this campaign, mormons are throwing the evangelicals a big fat bone wrapped in money to gain some ideological street cred -- because, let's face it, the evangelicals think the mormons are a crazy fringe cult.

Gay people are being sacrificed in the name of mormon main streaming. The two groups have decided to join forces and it's all about money. So now instead of isolated looney preachers with picket signs, bigotry has a brand new business mode courtesy of Utah -- and a 50 State plan for the morality police.

So hey, it's nothing personal folks. It's just business. And it's coming to a State near you.
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Mysticalsister
Changing minds, one pithy comment at a time.
02:33 AM on 10/26/2008
The mormons figured out when their boy Romney was rejected by the repug base, that they better make it clear to all the bigots in the religious right that they believe marriage is between one man and one woman --

and now the gays gotta pay so the mormons can play.
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siney
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03:29 AM on 10/26/2008
follow the money....
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
01:39 AM on 10/26/2008
God bless him!
01:20 AM on 10/26/2008
Check out www.8against8.com ... 8 lesbian bloggers, 8 days, aimed to raise $8,000 ... and we've already surpassed 11K, It's really inspiring and incredible, the response ... and hopefully well worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pn0s9NIGGU
01:04 AM on 10/26/2008
Too bad Obama is against gay marriage....
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StarkRavingNakedEmperor
01:13 AM on 10/26/2008
Look. I realize you are most likely a baiting tro//. But in the slim chance that you are sincere I say this. Keep the faith. Eight years is a long time. And everyone knows that there is a much better chance with him, than with McCaint.
01:20 AM on 10/26/2008
That is not completely accurate! He is just against the use of the word "marriage" because the religious organizations have taken that word hostage, therefore, the word "marriage" has a religious connotation. Obama does believe that all citizens of America (gay and straight) are granted all the same rights, obligations, benefits, protections, and responsibilities as traditionally married couples currently get. Obama has stated that he believes in a legal union--and that would include all the 1,100 rights, benefits, protections, etc. as heterosexual married couples enjoy.
So, who cares about the stupid word! As long as gay citizens are granted all the same rights and priviledges and protections, I am sure another word can replace the word "marriage". I mean, isn't the point that gay committed couples want the same rights as heterosexual married couples? Don't split hairs here!
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
01:40 AM on 10/26/2008
Amen. It's a word. Look it up. It's defined in Webster's as either between a man and a woman or between two persons of the same sex. It's a ceremony, between two people, and sometimes their God.
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siney
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03:39 AM on 10/26/2008
may i recommend that you read the california supreme court's decision and then you will understand that the "splitting hairs" argument is both profoundly offensive and unconstitutional in the state of california.....

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/S147999.PDF
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StarkRavingNakedEmperor
12:57 AM on 10/26/2008
Gavin, you are so cool! Thanks for tirelessly being out there on the front lines for this cause! And keep up the great work. We are taking it NATIONWIDE soon. Hey! You are not too bad for a str8 guy Breeder type!
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Mysticalsister
Changing minds, one pithy comment at a time.
02:10 AM on 10/26/2008
retire the labels dude. we are humans with the same need for companionship, and yes, even for procreation.
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madzippy
12:51 AM on 10/26/2008
I thought conservatives and republicans were all about getting government out of people's lives??? They don't want the government involved in regulating Wall Street or gun ownership.Isn't it funny that abortion and gay marriage are the exception? Such hypocrites.
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madzippy
12:47 AM on 10/26/2008
I'll call anyone who has been subjected to discrimination as a minority only to then support an amendment which codifies discrimination into law a bigot.

Do the right thing. Vote no on 8.
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SpaceboySD
"Free To Be You And Me" Is My Bible
12:35 AM on 10/26/2008
I got married before Prop Hate took my freedom away from me to do so. I've been in my relationship for five years and I never thought in my life I would be forced into a corner by some religious extremists. I love my spouse and will never regret my decision to be with the person I love for the rest of my life.

What's so wrong about that?
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ohioan73
01:23 AM on 10/26/2008
Nothing is wrong with that. People are stupid. I think homophobes are secretly gay anyway. They seem waaaaay too obsessed with what gay people so in their bedrooms if you notice.
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evgolightly
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03:22 AM on 10/26/2008
Nothing. Good for you. Mazeltov.
12:34 AM on 10/26/2008
For the first time in my adult life, I am glad that there are 5 justices appointed by bush in the SC.
And I thank Gavin Newsom for that.
If it hadnt been for him and his short-sghted focus on gay marriage, Kerry would have won in 2004.

And I hope history repeats itself. I hope the Democrats are so so drunk with their victory that they start pandering to fringe elements in society like how Clinton did. 1994 was as much a backlash to that as the health care debacle.

Today, I passed a neighborhood with several yes on 8 signs. It was a Latino neighborhood. I hope the increased Black and Latino turnout bodes well for Prop 8. I know I will be called a bigot. It may be harder for you progressives to call Latinos and Blacks bigots.
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StarkRavingNakedEmperor
12:50 AM on 10/26/2008
Yes! You are a hateful bigot! Divide and conquer--the oldest trick in the Repug playbook! Trying to pit different minority groups against each other. I feel so sorry for you! The only time you feel empowered is when you have your Waffen stomper boot heel on somebody's neck and you are trying to sow seeds of distrust, discontent and loathing. You are so ill that systematically depriving minority groups of their human and civil rights--which is exactly what Prop 8 will do, seems perfectly fine to you. The days of you and your kind are rapidly coming to an end.
brokerthanu
all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals
12:57 AM on 10/26/2008
Not really. Bigotry is equal-opportunity. And so is gayness. It occurs at about the same proportion in all ethnic-groups. You assume there a are no progressive gay Blacks and Latinos. How interesting. Your right , I would definitely call you what you said I would.

Sorry for any repetition but it seems this reply didn't go through the first time.
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barbwiregrrl
12:33 AM on 10/26/2008
Doante to NO on 8....

https://secure.ga4.org/01/equalityforall
12:31 AM on 10/26/2008
Marriage is one man and one woman - i know bc the committee for prop 102 here in AZ told me so and sent me a handy flyer so's I don't forget! I carry it around with me and use it to make sure'a who's who!

One man and one woman. Just like the pledge of allegiance and the star spangled banner and the bible say it is!

http://thetruthburns.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/i-pledge-allegiance%e2%80%a6-a-work-in-progress/

My comments here are satirical, but I suppose if I were better at satire, I wouldn't have to explain that to people.
03:07 AM on 10/26/2008
Ha ha...
Well, I enjoyed your post. I also realized that it was satire before you confessed* to it ...lol

Quote:
" My comments here are satirical, but I suppose if I were better at satire, I wouldn't have to explain that to people."

It'll get better PJ....*wink*
12:30 AM on 10/26/2008
Dear Mayor Newsom,

Thank you for your comments. Personally, I don't get the BFD about same sex marriage or the "defense of marriage" arguments. If we really want to defend marriages - make adultery illegal. It's one of the big 10. Homosexuality didn't even make the 10 commandments. Adultery did. It we want to allow Judeo-Christian to dictate our laws, make adultery illegal and start arresting adulterers no matter where they hide - in the churches or the halls of Congress.

Seriously though, I believe in a universal Goodness, call it God or whatever. It's evident that parallel to physical evolution in nature, humanity has been undergoing its own evolution (albeit, two steps forward, one step back) of consciousness. Fifty years ago laws against miscegenation were gasping their last breath. Sooner or later, same sex marriages will be as acceptable as interracial marriages (yeah, I know there are still some idiots out there).

I have a personal favor, though. If Californians turn out to be more enlightened by defeating Prop 8 than my fellow Floridians are in saying No to Amendment 2, can I come to San Francisco to marry?

Thank you for your humanity and your leadership.

Peace,
Albert/Miami, FL
brokerthanu
all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals
10:01 PM on 10/26/2008
We welcome you with open arms.