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04:35 PM on 04/02/2012
Quite enjoyed your Blog. Sorry to see the way people reinterpret/misinterpret your words. I hope you find peace, love and respect within your Christian community. And that your life will be enriched by the connections with fellow Christians. Hope to read another great Blog from you soon; I always enjoy what you have to say :-)
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ProofRequired
Taking back the human race, one believer at a time
03:55 PM on 04/02/2012
Let me get this straight. You reject the primary (shallow) meaning for life given to you by the church, but accept and revel in a deeper meaning you have found (created) for yourself within the same church, albeit different group of people?

You have made it clear that this return to the church was your choice, thus the meaning you have found is also your choice. And this should lead you to a striking conclusion. There is no eternal meaning, no plan, no design to your life. You have the power to create your own meaning and purpose, and you have done so through the church.
10:01 AM on 04/03/2012
That is until he gets another Bible thrown at his head and has another existential crisis.
01:56 PM on 04/02/2012
It seems like organised religion isn't the way forward anymore. "Spiritual not religious" seems to be becoming more popular, especially among liberals.
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06:43 PM on 04/02/2012
Liberals are feeling based. That's what draws them to popular emergent type churches.
05:46 AM on 04/03/2012
I think Church isn't the way forward at all, members seem to be diminishing in most places. Individual spirituality seems like the only way forward for faith.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
06:46 PM on 04/02/2012
I don't know about the liberal bit since it really isn't an useful label anymore, but I do think you are right about organized religion not being the way forward anymore for many people. I have felt compelled to create my own "religion" (sic) although it isn't really organized nor would I or the other participants want it to be.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
01:27 PM on 04/02/2012
I would also like to believe that Mr. Piatt returned to church because:

1. He stopped leaning on his own understanding about God.
2. He stopped trying to be wise in his own opinion
3. He stopped being puffed up with pride
4. He realized that God's Wisdom is more practical, valuable and precious
than man's knowledge or "critical reasoning" abilities.

Mr. Piatt also realized the church is a place to remind the wise that an Ethopian cannot change his skin and the leopard cannot change his spots. Only God can make a person a "good person"
01:52 PM on 04/02/2012
you're right that it doesn't matter at all what we do. only god can make us good people. that's why i make sure i pray before i do all sorts of nasty things like shaving.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
02:58 PM on 04/02/2012
Thanks for the reply.

Doc
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
03:59 PM on 04/02/2012
Why not just read his article and take his word for it instead of projecting your own stuff onto him?
Other people besides you have authentic opinions and experiences.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
04:45 PM on 04/02/2012
That is because I'm a bottom line type of guy that bupaases the philosophy. For example,

1. If one is thirsty...they seek water.
2. If one ishungry s/he seeks food
3. If one one to be intimate s/he seeks sex.

While folks love to give these long and eloquent explanations of why they do certain things , I skip to the end of the story. You'll come to understand that with human beings, there is rarely anything new they can demonstrate; much of our behavior is preditable sterotypical. He retuned to church because he got wise...period
08:27 PM on 04/02/2012
whirlpool,

Well said.

One sets aside smugness, arrogance and pride before entering the congregation of arbors and roots emerging from a grand floor punctuated with tufts of grass that cover the sacred abodes of marmots, mice, moles, and voles fore it is this ecclesia that preceded the stubbornness of man. .
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whirlpool
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01:06 PM on 04/02/2012
Four reasons I don't go to a church anymore although I did for decades:

1- I get physically ill in church.
2- The wild gods of nature are actually in nature and not in church.
3- I have a sense of all sorts of evil demons being in there.
4- The people are friendly sometimes but beneath that there is an extreme intolerance.
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
12:18 PM on 04/02/2012
"I was more interested in finding deeper meaning in this life, rather than worrying so much about what comes after that."

Most religion concerns itself with "salvation" and eternity. To the extent that it is concerned with this life, it is either about "humanism" or "brownie points."

If brownie points, then it's still about salvation and eternity. (If you're good, you'll go to heaven.)

If humanism, you may as well drop the superstitious stuff and concentrate on how we treat each other.
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
11:10 AM on 04/02/2012
Choosing a church, Christian denomination, really amounts to picking a liturgy you like.
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Christian Piatt
Editor of "Banned Questions" book series.
11:49 AM on 04/02/2012
Personally I've found more folks who will pick a community where they feel they belong over liturgy they say they prefer. But that's just my experience.
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
05:58 PM on 04/02/2012
I think people feel comfortable with a particular liturgy.
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dschiff
Always learning
12:04 PM on 04/02/2012
In this case, a community that the author liked, and the one his girlfriend urged him to join.

I only suggest that there are alternatives environments that provide great communities but don't base them on faith.
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ZenSufi
Sisters and Brothers of America!
05:47 PM on 04/02/2012
To commit to a community requires "faith".
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
05:57 PM on 04/02/2012
Agreed.