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12:27 AM on 04/12/2012
There is no argument whatsoever to support the death penalty. The chance that an innocent person might be executed far outweighs any other consideration and there is no doubt in my mind that Texas has executed innocent people.
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RobH413
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12:47 AM on 04/12/2012
That argument is certainly the most dramatic, but there are others equally compelling, in my opinion. Some death penalty proponents will respond to the "innocent man" argument by saying that the death penalty should have a different standard of proof such as absolute certainty (which to me is a semantic fiction because if you can say the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, aren't you saying you're absolutely certain?) I think the race and wealth disparities (applying to victims even more than defendants) is one. I think there is also a pretty good case to be made that capital punishment is not only not a deterrent to crime but in some cases may promote it, such as in cases where the killer is a fame-seeker or wants to commit a slow and public suicide.
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johnb123
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01:01 AM on 04/12/2012
So no matter if a person is known to be guilty of murder, you'd still be against the death penalty? To you it's not about guilt or innocent, it's the fact that you don't like the death penalty.
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johnb123
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12:24 AM on 04/12/2012
The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it's a punishment. Sadly our government doesn't understand that.
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omobob
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12:27 AM on 04/12/2012
> The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it's a punishment.

You are correct. Well observed. faved. cheers.
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Teacher Trish
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01:11 AM on 04/12/2012
John likes punishment. He is in favor of the death penalty.
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RobH413
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12:50 AM on 04/12/2012
Most death penalty proponents do not even bother with the deterrence argument anymore. It's pretty indefensible, logically or statistically.in fact, the opposite might be true. Most death penalty supporters argue for it on the basis of its retributive value (vengeance) or its restorative value (makes the family of the victim feel better). Those who argue in favor of vengeance are hard to debate because they are at least being honest that there is no rationale to it other than vengeance, which is not very rational.
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johnb123
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12:58 AM on 04/12/2012
It's not vengeance....it's a punishment.
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johnb123
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03:03 AM on 04/13/2012
Then don't bring up vengeance when talking about capital punishment.
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madisonhack
I prefer not to......
12:23 AM on 04/12/2012
Watch the murder rate soar.......I guess not. Watch the cost of prosecuting former capital crimes decrease.....indeed.
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johnb123
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12:58 AM on 04/12/2012
Watch the prison costs soar.
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madisonhack
I prefer not to......
12:02 PM on 04/12/2012
It costs the states between $40-50,000 per year to house an inmate. Do you know how many appeals the average death penalty case sees before the execution. By the time the appeals process is completed, the prisoner has served about 2/3 of the time of the average lifer. Do the math. Lawyers are expensive.
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poulsbro
12:23 AM on 04/12/2012
What very, very good news indeed. The morality of this country just inched up a few notches. Now, let's get rid of the gdamd death penalty in the rest of the country.
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Jimmy Gitz
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12:33 AM on 04/12/2012
Good idea, until your child is raped and murdered....
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rubbish379
12:23 AM on 04/12/2012
Why have it if you don't use it?
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jokamachi
12:22 AM on 04/12/2012
Another step towards civilization. Well done.
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oldwolf49
Religion is a tool of the evil.
12:21 AM on 04/12/2012
I am a fan of the death penalty, IF it is used as a deterrent. That said I don't believe I can accept it anymore because too many states are using it a little too often, and I won't name names but the initials are TEXAS.
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UCBAlum
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12:24 AM on 04/12/2012
But the death penalty is not a deterrent. Every credible study has drawn that conclusion.

What it does do, however, is make some people feel better. I don't think we need to kill people just to make other people feel better. And by the way I find it totally creepy that killing people makes some people feel better.
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Teacher Trish
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12:37 AM on 04/12/2012
Exactly - it is based on a primitive visceral need for revenge. Justice should be based on ethics and logic. There is nothing ethical or logical about killing any human no matter how despicable they may be. It lowers us to the same murderous level.
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oldwolf49
Religion is a tool of the evil.
01:12 AM on 04/12/2012
To all detractors, I agree and disagree, but housing serialists to me is more of a plus in having it than not. And yes, there is that pesky innocent death things that has always bothered me. I guess in principal the idea is a good one, me thinks I should rethink.
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madisonhack
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12:25 AM on 04/12/2012
The stats don't add up to it being a deterrent. Besides - one wrongful execution is too many, don't you think?
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oldwolf49
Religion is a tool of the evil.
01:10 AM on 04/12/2012
yes and no.
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Common sense for all
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12:21 AM on 04/12/2012
Good decision by Connecticut to abolish death penalty since it has no purpose and it have been proven more than once it doesnt lower crime rates either,
12:20 AM on 04/12/2012
why is it more humane to let someone rott behind bars while wasting cash and valuable prison space? put them out of their misery
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UCBAlum
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12:25 AM on 04/12/2012
Are you really asking why imprisoning a person is more humane than killing them?
10:53 AM on 04/12/2012
yes
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madisonhack
I prefer not to......
12:26 AM on 04/12/2012
Do you know how much it costs the state to prosecute a capital case with the death penalty vs life without parole? Do you know that innocent people have been put to death?
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p456
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12:13 AM on 04/12/2012
I think the penalty should be left up to the victims family to decide.
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mari2JJ
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12:21 AM on 04/12/2012
I think the law should not be there, but I have no inclination to make the victim's family decide on the death of the perp. I cannot imagine any family having lost a child or any relative being in any shape to pronounce a sentence like that. It costs a fortune for any state to execute a perp and that the conviction is later found out to be not valid, the person died guiltless. So let the law stand as is I say. No thanks. Expecting me to be rational if someone ki8lls my child would be beyond my cap[abilites!
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jokamachi
12:21 AM on 04/12/2012
That's precisely why family members aren't allowed to sit on juries.
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yukoner1
Living way up the left coast.
12:09 AM on 04/12/2012
Congratulations Connecticut.
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Jimmy Gitz
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12:55 AM on 04/12/2012
Yes, congratulations Connecticut! Yours is a wealthy state and your citizens don't mind paying hundreds of millions of $$$$$ to house, provide unlimited health and dental care, healthy meals, and comfort to those who have been convicted of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Those who deserve nothing less than death for killing a pregnant woman and fetus, a slaughter of five and six year old children at school, the murder of teenage fast food employees for a few bucks, and alike. Be sure to invest and save money to help pay for the cost to make your child's killer - comfortable....jcg
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