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madcityy
03:05 PM on 06/04/2012
CNN DOES PRO MR O STUFF ALL THE TIME.............WHEN FOLKS R SICK OF A CHANNEL THEY GO AWAY..................

IT IS CALLED FREE PRESS.....................
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dvncmdy
I'm being followed by a moon shadow
03:12 PM on 06/04/2012
Y DN'T U TRY USN RL WRDS MYB U WLL MK SNS
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blizzard man robot voice
03:21 PM on 06/04/2012
Dolan?
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bigod33
03:12 PM on 06/04/2012
Would you care to give an example of CNN doing "PRO MR O STUFF"? Perhaps you're just repeating something you heard from someone else?
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IndolentFlourish
02:59 PM on 06/04/2012
Fox news put America on notice that it will not cover the presidential campaign as anything but a Republican smear machine.
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frankath
05:46 PM on 06/04/2012
At least, they are NOW being honest about that. Fair and balanced - as long as you are a Republican. And as long as the ruling class Republicans support you.

Ron Paul? Surely, you jest.
02:47 PM on 06/04/2012
FCC - where are you?

Don't they need to register as a political party if they so blatantly run ads - oops "news stories" such as that?
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Acemkr6
facts can't be offensive!
02:45 PM on 06/04/2012
I noticed media matters never goes after MSNBC? I wonder why?
02:55 PM on 06/04/2012
You "wonder" why - when the story discloses its a "liberal advocacy group" - duh? Kinda like all those "conservative" media advocacy groups never go after Fixed News? Please - at least try- to be more enlightened.
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jijjhnsn
Retired
03:00 PM on 06/04/2012
Did MSNBC run a 'political news ad' like fox did?
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
02:43 PM on 06/04/2012
Every single time a cable news article comes up, the same old argument breaks out. The fact is, MSNBC IS biased. And in some ways, I'm sad to admit, I think they are a lot like Fox. I remember thinking while watching Lawrence O'Donnell's coverage of the George Zimmerman police video that, had a few details of the case been altered, he and Sean Hannity could have swapped scripts and no one would have noticed. They were both speculating shamelessly to feed a furnace of outrage. (If you believe the ends justify the means, then this isn't a problem. There's no doubt that Sean Hannity advocates for the elite, privileged establishment against imaginary persecution, while Lawrence O'Donnell tries to advocate for *actual* victims.)

The distinction between MSNBC and Fox News, as I see it, is that while MSNBC is a collection of independent liberal pundits who express their own personal biases, Fox News functions as a de facto functionary of the Republican party, repeating the very same official Frank Luntz-authored talking points that Republican politicians do. They're not just incidentally biased because of their personal views; they're biased because they all got a memo that morning that told them precisely how to be biased.

But even if MSNBC's bias is more organic and honest, I still don't like to be preached to as a member of a choir. I want my worldview to be *challenged* now and then.
02:47 PM on 06/04/2012
I read this after my comment above. I think it gets at some of the same points.
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
02:53 PM on 06/04/2012
Good, maybe we'll be able to divide the flames between us :D
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Gr33ndog
Work for a candidate, or be happy with who you get
03:30 PM on 06/04/2012
Fav'd! There are times when MSNBC is criticizing Obama that I say to myself "come on, give him a break he has to do (insert bad policy) because the right will twist the knife if he doesn't". I lament how Republicans march lock step (even over a cliff) and even if caught with a hooker they don't criticize each other if it means letting the dems win points.

But then I realize I do not want to become what I detest and then I become very grateful that though liberal and biased, MSNBC does not march lockstep with the Dem Party.
02:39 PM on 06/04/2012
Fox likes to make the case that it simply competes with other networks by providing needed 'balance, but this is simply not true. To continue to make that argument either deliberately or just obtusely confuses the very important destinction to be drawn between BIAS and PROPAGANDA. These are often conflated in these discussions as though they were more or less the same thing, and they aren't. In fact, in the most important distinction to be drawn, they are direct OPPOSITES: 'Bias' is essentially unconscious, while 'propaganda' is coldly, scientifically disciplined and deliberate.

Of all its larger imagined liberal competitors, I see only MSNBC as trying to INTENTIONALLY move in a Fox-like opinion-shaping direction, and even that relatvely modest low-decibel effort seems a bit half-hearted (Joe Scarborough? Chris Hayes' and Alex Wagner's format and line-up?). The others (ie, CNN, ABC, etc) may or may not have vague, left-over liberal appendages, but these have long ceased to have any function in their day-today operations.

Fox News is a different thing entirely. It is the most dedicated and arguably the most successful pure propaganda operation in America. It might TALK about fairness, balance, and accuracy, but it does not CARE about these things, by deliberate intent and design. Its REAL business is the promotion of an aggressive, all- encompassing, intensely reactionary, right-wing ideology - by so-called 'fair' means if it can be done that way, but by ANY effective means if necessary.
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
03:14 PM on 06/04/2012
Much more well-said than mine! F&F
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02:35 PM on 06/04/2012
Is there anything more laughable and hypocritical than Fox's line of "Fair and Balanced"? Talk aout Boneheads! Yeh! Hannity and most of the rest of them.
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pleasantlyny
Addie, Carole, Cynthia & Denise, for you we fight
02:30 PM on 06/04/2012
Fox is successful for ONE reason. They tell their viewers what they WANT to hear.
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bobhay
teach a man to fish
02:34 PM on 06/04/2012
Exactly but they tell the truth
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pleasantlyny
Addie, Carole, Cynthia & Denise, for you we fight
02:42 PM on 06/04/2012
So why in study after study are fox viewers ranked as the MOST uninformed. Now what I just said is fact. And i know facts and conservatives dont do well but it is FACT.
02:44 PM on 06/04/2012
"Fair and Balanced" would mean making a 4 minute attack ad against Bush for screwing up the economy. They (FOX) never did that... why!?

They do it for Obama, and he wasn't even the one who got us into this mess... but Lil Bush gets a pass?

How "fair and balanced"!
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bobhay
teach a man to fish
02:35 PM on 06/04/2012
Darn ... did that twice today and favorited instead of reply. Please don't take that favorite as a positive thing.
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jijjhnsn
Retired
03:06 PM on 06/04/2012
You ain't alone. Hit the wrong button few times.
02:27 PM on 06/04/2012
FOX News is all we watch in our home. #1!
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pleasantlyny
Addie, Carole, Cynthia & Denise, for you we fight
02:28 PM on 06/04/2012
Do a google search for the education levels of people who only watch fox news. See how infomred their viewers really are. Interesting stuff.
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bobhay
teach a man to fish
02:36 PM on 06/04/2012
Sponsored by MSNBC im sure
02:51 PM on 06/04/2012
"I watch only Right-Wing propaganda and wouldn't even have the reference to know if I was being lied to...Yay!"
02:24 PM on 06/04/2012
Kinda confirms what a lot of us have known for years ... that the whole "fair and balanced" thing is just words.... no integrity behind them.
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Gr33ndog
Work for a candidate, or be happy with who you get
03:56 PM on 06/04/2012
If they were just words then after all these years of being made fun of for their slogan they would change it. If your purpose is just to create a catchy slogan, one does not brand a product in a manner that at least half of all news consumers would find to be disingenuous. You brand it like that if the real idea was to reinforce a weakness in your product, in order to retain current customers.

Just like the sugar cereal manufacturers putting "made with wholesome whole grains!" on the package. The intent is to give current customers an excuse to look past the dubious sides of your product you wish for them to ignore.
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Anti-Politics
Having only two parties is the problem
02:03 PM on 06/04/2012
Not hard to figure out, Fox on the Right,all others on the Left. Been that way for years.
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the truth leans left
03:06 PM on 06/04/2012
lets see... 90% of media is owned by 5 corporations whise sole purpose is to make money.... ever listened to "talk radio"?
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GeorgiaModerate
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitude
03:40 PM on 06/04/2012
"ever listened to "talk radio"

Yeah, really. Here in Atlanta there isn't a single firey liberal talk show. But you can find at least one firey right wing show 24/7.

Personally, I don't undestand the appeal of these one sided political shows.
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01:53 PM on 06/04/2012
No oversight? Or not an oversight? I think we know the answer.
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
01:49 PM on 06/04/2012
This article was OK and mildly informative, but this one part just stuck out as complete crap.

'In cable news, CNN vs. Fox is Hatfield vs. McCoy, or Obama vs. Romney. One has little use for the other. CNN looks down upon Fox's opinionated approach even as Fox clobbers CNN in the ratings. CNN takes great pride in a reputation as an unbiased news source, believing it both a higher calling and better business model.'

CNN as unbiased? You mean they will Report whatever lies the Right says as facts? that kind of unbiased news source?
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
02:02 PM on 06/04/2012
Of course the right says the same thing about them, so that does imply that they're somewhere in the center.
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
02:18 PM on 06/04/2012
What they're are you talking about?
02:57 PM on 06/04/2012
The Right says that anything that does not agree with their point of view, 100% and 100% of the time, is Left-Wing.
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Murdale
Micro. Macro. What's the difference?
01:49 PM on 06/04/2012
So Chris White had his 15 minutes of fame. Good for him, I guess. I'll et we won't be hearing from him again anytime soon.
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01:54 PM on 06/04/2012
he got himself a tidy bonus for not spilling the guts on his bosses!
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judiNJ
The Free Market is Not Free
01:47 PM on 06/04/2012
I never watch Fox but those three people sitting on that sofa remind me of the three stooges. Not too bright: Vapid faces, lax bodies lolling about, smirking mouths. Ugh.
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wllmpartridge
beam me up Scotty
01:58 PM on 06/04/2012
Sort of a snapshot of the viewers.
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jijjhnsn
Retired
03:10 PM on 06/04/2012
2 thumbs up.