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wyldthings 01:26 PM on 06/09/2012
I think the reason is obvious. Just look at my State, California. In San Jose and San Diego both Cities voted to radically change the pension plan systems of our Public Union Employees Union Members. What many here fail to understand is that when you have 46% of your budget going for retirement benefits you can not hire Teachers, Police, and other public Employees. Many here seem to think you can just tax  Read More...
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conservativepundit
Iced Tea on a daily basis
04:54 PM on 06/10/2012
The left should see America is not on board with your agenda and this is a glimpse into this November's election cycle. Raise as much money as you want and ask George Soro's for a loan. You're gonna need it.
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jkrowland
Hope and Change became Divide and Redistribute
03:59 PM on 06/10/2012
There is lots of bias in polling just as there is bias in the news media which was brilliantly brought to light by Bernie Goldberg. Take today's Face the Nation show for instance, while Governor Walker got just a few minutes airtime, they gave more airtime to the head of the AFL CIO who tried to downplay the significant of the loss in Wisconsin. Then to top if off, Face the Nation decided to devote most of the rest of the show to Watergate which happened to focus on the crimes of a Republican administration 40 years ago, when the big news of the week was the victory of Walker and the negative implications for Obama's reelection bid in November...
04:40 PM on 06/10/2012
"negative implications for Obama's reelection bid"

Don't get ahead of yourself, Sparky! Walker bought his recall victory, plain and simple! Doesn't mean Wisconsin becomes a red state for Willard....................
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Michael Samra
Conservative-Libertarian
05:47 PM on 06/10/2012
Walker bought his recall victory? Then Obama bought his victory being he had 750 million in his coffers,almost 4 times that of McCain..
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jkrowland
Hope and Change became Divide and Redistribute
11:00 PM on 06/22/2012
First of all, the name's Commander Rowland, USNR retired, not sparky there shipmate. Secondly, I don't get ahead of myself, I look at facts and come to reasoned conclusions and my conclusion in this case is the state of Wisconsin decided that they want Walker in office twice to bring some sanity to the budget and economy of the state.
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rcmfla
Fanning Me is a vote for the Progressive Agenda :)
02:58 PM on 06/10/2012
Correction re the spending in my previous post. 1% per 3 million $.
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rcmfla
Fanning Me is a vote for the Progressive Agenda :)
02:55 PM on 06/10/2012
Polling made easy. The GOP outspent the Dems 7.5 to 1. One percent per million $. Not a bad return for the Kochs.
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10:11 AM on 06/14/2012
Money isn't why the Dems lost and they weren't outspent 7.5 to 1, though i couldn't be happier that they poured their tens of millions into another losing effort in Wisconsin. They lost because they had no platform, no message and no candidate. In November, the Republicans will retake the Senate and Wisconsin will move forward. And they will win Kohl's seat too. Tammy Baldwin isn't capable of winning a statewide office in Wisconsin any more than Kathleen Falk.
01:51 PM on 06/10/2012
The exit polls predicted a very close race and are being used to show a 7point favorability for Obama the same percentage they were off. I believe this is the Bradley Effect and the people lied to the exit pollsters to avoid confrontation and should not be used as evidence of a Obama lead.
04:42 PM on 06/10/2012
whatever....believe whatever you want! Remember we're in June, no debates, people are on vacation. This is all conjecture til after Labor Day!
07:40 PM on 06/10/2012
Conjecture all you want Walker won. Spike the ()
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
01:27 PM on 06/10/2012
When I was in college I roomed with a computer engineer. He like the horse races and created a formula for picking the most likely horse per quantifying all the variables. For the most part we won a lot of money. However, every once and a while we found than a horse would beat all the stats. We pretty much knew it was fixed. The probabilities were just too great. But is science circumstantial proof? Supremely one would think in a court of law...

But as long as polling is as much an art as a science, voting machines will be open to manipulation. And perhaps the reason they are!
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PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
01:16 PM on 06/10/2012
The same reason they got the 2010 House elections wrong; they're bias.
My Huffie friends might want to start paying attention to polls with a better track record.
04:44 PM on 06/10/2012
like Rasmussen, huh! Wave years happen to both parties. This election will be different than the last because everyone has seen the mistakes they made with this teabagger Congress.
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09:59 PM on 06/11/2012
Just like "everyone" saw the "mistakes" with Walker, right? Keep on denying.
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
01:14 PM on 06/10/2012
Yeah, like some here I am somewhat suspicious of republican extremists where the focus on purging voter lists may just be a slight of hand shell game. The real vote manipulation could be in the automated voting machines themselves. Definitely easier to do if everyone is paying attention elsewhere else.

On the other hand, if Walker lost, would democrats get over confident, less anxious and contribute less? But not to be too demoralized lets let them win back the senate!

Nope definitely can't point the finger at either party, it seems too manipulative of both sides in the case. So who's benefiting the most with this play?

Hey, if one is to take this path, lets see where it goes-- especially if it makes voting honest all round. What's the real harm? Going back to paper? Taking longer? Voter transparency?

Or is voting like a religion, nothing to do with fact or science-- just blind faith that it's being honest with your efforts?

Jus' sayin...
09:05 AM on 06/10/2012
It's really simple... Lib polls are always wrong. They include sampling bias, plus they generally don't poll "likely voters".
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Tekriter
Humpty was pushed...
07:17 AM on 06/10/2012
Why Did The Partisan Surveys Get It Wrong? It could be they were using the same methodology as HP's electoral map. Lots and lots of optimism and denial. It was standing around 287 for O a couple of weeks ago. Do you think it will EVER show below 270? I don't think so.
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RMorr2002
10:45 AM on 06/10/2012
It is kind of comical!   obama's numbers are falling and Romney's are rising.  And, the posters keep
referring to "obama already has 270!"   They don't seem to realize that it is 5 month's to the election
and obama has no where to go but DOWN!
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Tekriter
Humpty was pushed...
11:44 AM on 06/10/2012
They thought their heads were spinning after Wisconsin.  Wait until November.  I think they really didn't realize what was happening when Scott Brown won the Massachusetts senate seat.
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SoCalDoc
Here's my opinion...like it or not!
02:23 AM on 06/10/2012
I would strongly urge that there be a recount of all votes in the recall election last Tuesday in Wisconsin before anyone does a victory lap. This recount should be done by an entity that has no bias about the election and is not getting money slipped to them under the table. This would not be the first time the Republican Party has used "creative mathematics" and "misplaced ballots" and "voter intimidation" to influence an election.
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Tekriter
Humpty was pushed...
03:07 AM on 06/10/2012
The vote would have to be much closer to warrant a recount. It's nowhere near that close.
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RMorr2002
10:46 AM on 06/10/2012
PLUS.....a review of the votes would call into question the fact that Milwaukee had 119% of voter turnout.
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BaileyBlue
09:52 AM on 06/10/2012
Unless the vote is within 1%, the candidate has to pay the costs of the recount. What will you chip in?
02:10 AM on 06/10/2012
Elections are being stolen in red counties. No one ever thinks to challenge the results, and tabulating machines can be pre=programmed. In one county, for example, the results of the 2004 presidential race indicated that the number of individuals who voted for Bush was the equivalent of every single registered republican, every single minor party registered voter and independent, and about a third of the Democrats. Even in a red county where republicons outnumber democrats two to one, this was an absurd result, especially given the local anger with Bush over the Iraq war at the time. Someone needs to start checking into this, or we are in for more of the same going forward.
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morefreethings
fixed income analyst
12:54 AM on 06/10/2012
I dont trust anything but gallup and rasmussen....I dont know the difference specifically in methodology, i just know that others lean left via skewed results
12:37 AM on 06/10/2012
They got it wrong because they vastly over-counted Democrats..as they always do until the hours immediately preceding a result.. They wish to both affect the turn-out and still remain respectable as pollsters. So many tricks. Over-counting Democrats, counting non-voters, menacing folks.. it's like the blind leading the blind.. An Independent is just a Conservative who is afraid of being called a bigot!
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RMorr2002
10:49 AM on 06/10/2012
That's funny!   The other side of the aisle considers Independents to be Democrats who are just
too embarrassed to admit it!
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rosal
JUSTICE always wins
12:35 AM on 06/10/2012
Republicans can spend 10 trillion in advertising and no Democrat is going to vote for them. The ones that vote Republican will vote Republican even if they spend $5.00 in advertising. The only ones that win are the networks with the political ads. They are the real winners, and the ones that tell us how "important" the money is. Diebold works for free.