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04:29 AM on 06/16/2012
I would like to know if these teachers ever paid, as Federal workers do, into their very own pensions, either 401 K or otherwise. When the retiree has never paid any funds into their own pension they then become basically a well paid welfare recipient living upon the taxpayers.
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
10:28 AM on 06/16/2012
Different counties are different.....
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Atwill
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11:17 AM on 06/16/2012
I can not answer for this state, but I work for Calif and i pay $500 into my pension each month. And it is aken out automatically. i have no say.
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JessWonderin
11:30 AM on 06/16/2012
the first thing they assume is "teachers are union freeloaders" . . yet they overlook that it is the teachers that created our educated work force . . not long ago a grammar school education was considered "enough" . . . and college was a dream only a VERY few could dream.
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11:01 PM on 06/16/2012
Thank you for your answer. Not being a teacher and having a close relative who was a teacher in Kentucky when teachers did NOT pay into her retirement I just have to ask that question.
03:02 AM on 06/16/2012
Meanwhile, the cost for teacher pensions has shot up by 300 percent over two years. Some school districts, including Harrisburg, accrued mountains of debt from interest rate swaps peddled by Wall Street. "Instead of using the stimulus money as the icing on the cake, some districts used it as the cake itself," said Mike Griffith, a senior school financial analyst at the Education Commission of the States, a non-partisan policy group.

REALLY? 300% in 2 years?????
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
10:29 AM on 06/16/2012
More teachers are retiring....meaning we will head into a shortage again/still.
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10YearTeacher
02:05 PM on 06/16/2012
Baby-boomer teachers are retiring and living longer. Isn't that part of the point of working?
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rhondajohn
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02:27 AM on 06/16/2012
This article leaves out the years of union bargaining for exorbitant pensions that have left the districts with huge financial burdens that will go on for decades. Pensions that would be equal to a person saving millions of dollars over the last 25 years. The public unions are out of control and the current teachers and schools will have to pay for their greedy predecessors. A US military veteran who serves until retirement can collect 50% of their best salary making far less than the average teacher. The average teacher over the same period will retire at nearly or better than twice that amount. Keep in mind they work 9 months not 12. And will retire at full salary or better and healthcare for life. Teachers everywhere have the generation before them to thank, I have no sympathy for the recent retirees and pray that we get rid of the collective bargaining that has caused this mess.
07:25 AM on 06/16/2012
good little repub
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07:47 AM on 06/16/2012
"The average teacher over the same period will retire at nearly or better than twice that amount. Keep in mind they work 9 months not 12. And will retire at full salary or better and healthcare for life. "

*If* that is correct, it is only correct for a small percentage of teachers. I have worked as a teacher in four states, and five districts - some union, some not. In NONE of them would I receive full salary and healthcare for life after retirement.
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JessWonderin
11:34 AM on 06/16/2012
never use FACTS . .. we ALL know teachers make HUGE salaries, free health care, work 6 months only five days a week from 8 to 3, get every holiday free and resell the apples the students bring in, and retire at 150% of their salary after 10 years . . . fact, I SAW a teacher driving a almost new 8 year old car the other day!!!
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elamatt
Ever the optimistic realist
01:08 PM on 06/16/2012
"Full Salary"?? What are you smoking? Benefits are based upon: salary earned and number of years taught. Most teachers are lucky to get 60%, with healthcare and taxes STILL taken out. It's NOT a wealthy life-style in retirement, by any means!
02:22 AM on 06/16/2012
All part of the republican agenga to eliminate public education.
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lifehub
I don't answer (to) libs.
04:33 AM on 06/16/2012
More like due to a flatlined economy, bub. Where ya been?
09:37 AM on 06/16/2012
I am quite sure there were other areas that could have been cut to save a teacher's job.
Steve68112
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05:37 AM on 06/16/2012
Pardon me, but what is an 'agenga'? Is that how democrats say 'agenda'? Sorry to be the spelling police but it kind of undercuts whatever you were trying to say.
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07:40 AM on 06/16/2012
Your not sorry at all. Your just being nasty. You know darn well that was a typo.
09:35 AM on 06/16/2012
So, you've never made a typo? Wow! Do you walk on water too?
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kempray
"the best is yet to come"
02:09 AM on 06/16/2012
look at it on the bright side , now the children will get to bond with their parents a few more months before the Public indoctrination of public schools begins!
04:17 AM on 06/16/2012
Public indoctrination? You mean learning how to actually type properly? *gasp* Blasphemy!
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04:32 AM on 06/16/2012
Except for the lack of an upper case letter to begin his post and the extra space between the word "side" and the comma, what did he mistype?
08:25 AM on 06/16/2012
Yes, facts tend to get in the way of opinions, don't they?
02:00 AM on 06/16/2012
When will people realize that it's time for class action lawsuits? Get with the parents and the teachers, and sue the state and sue the governor of the state. Someone needs to do a better job of explaining to people that either they pay x amount of new tax to keep teachers, make the school building be able to have up grades, and keep classes. Most people if you asked them if your property tax went up for schools, most would say yes, even if they had to scrape by to pay for it. States and Cities do a horrible job with this, and turn around and just cut, cut, cut.
The parents and teachers could start their lawsuits by pointing out that they are getting pink slips while the pensions of the people in the catpital stayed the same or went higher. Instead of cuts to education, cut out the pensions and limit the state, local, and federal government to lower terms. Enough is enough. People need to start standing up for themselves and going after these idiots in dc., the states capitols, and local cities.
If people are as poor as they say in the article, change ordinance laws, go after everyone in town with a warrent and put them in jail, make them pay their tickets, and figure out ways to go after neglet, and change the zoning laws.
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
10:32 AM on 06/16/2012
Tying education to property tax is a failure. Most people vote down increases and many vote down bonds.
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rewith85man
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01:07 AM on 06/16/2012
Something I do least expect from a city named after a way of using a book or consuming information.
07:52 AM on 06/16/2012
It's pronounced REDing, not reading
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12:54 AM on 06/16/2012
The delay in funding pensions by the states and munincipalities has finally caught up. The outrageous benefits granted to the public unions over the past fifty years are now due to the "babyboomer" generation. The politicians have never funded these pensions which they approved in order to be elected to office and these politicians have long since retired and are enjoying their pensions. The employees now retiring were promised these pensions as a benefit of employment and now we, the taxpayer, will be stuck paying for it. But remember, it was the voting electorate who kept putting the politicians in office time and time again.
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tazmodious
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01:12 AM on 06/17/2012
Those pensions were well funded untill Wall St and the Big banks played Vegas with the investment funds and lost.

I think they should send Wall St the bill and collect.
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12:36 AM on 06/16/2012
Anyone of you who voted Republican is to blame. Corbett is one of the Koch's legion. They want to keep us broke, stupid and unhealthy. They want to privatize every single service and it stinks to high heaven just like the water company in Columbia county small towns. It's called Pennsylvania American Water Co and soon you will paying through the nose for everything. You will be paying for the tax breaks that every single republican gave to their rich buddies. None of you even realize that you take home more money from your paychecks because of what President Obama passed for you. Lilly Ledbetter Act says that us girls should make the same as men when we do the same work. Cool Huh? The only way this country can come back is if we liberals care about one another and do what is right. Rich people have no worries, they are living behind gated communities with the best security force money can buy. If they paid more in taxes we would not be having this argument. Voucher anything does not work. Social Security is very solvent and quit calling it an "entitlement" we worked and paid into it. Republicans want to raid it so they can give to Wall Street??? Are you kidding?? Get some education & quit watching Faux News, they are for entertainment purposes only. Union wages made this country back years ago and I will gladly walk the picket line with anyone. We are all immigrants!!!!!!
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kfmagee
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01:00 AM on 06/16/2012
Oh GROW UP! This is not about CONSERVATIVES VS LIBERALS. When there is no money, there is no money.... and don't blame the rich. The top 5% of income earners in this country already pay 57% of all the revenue collected by the government, and the top 10% pay 70% !!!! How much of someone else's money are you entitled to take?

As for Social Security being raided, it was the Democrats in the early 60's who unlocked the status as an untouchable pool, and added it to the general budget...

Sorry to hear these kids are going to have a hard time, because education is the one of the two major things that would help them break the cycle of poverty (the other thing would be for the fathers of the children to actually MARRY the mothers of the kids they create, and STAY in the family - and for the mothers to stop rolling over and squirting out kids they can't afford to raise!). And no amount of tax in the world will make that change... that is social, not economic.
GreatGrand mama
We must make our choices with care
02:40 AM on 06/16/2012
hey... the social Security dept and medicare never had a lock on the fund because it is part of the General fund.. and it has been raided since the first year it was established. Look that up in your funk and wagnell
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gmikejake
resist evil
06:34 AM on 06/16/2012
We support most of public education with state and local tax moneys. That makes these decisions political ... obviously. "Red states" are commonly the states that expend the lowest amounts per student in support of public education.
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kempray
"the best is yet to come"
02:11 AM on 06/16/2012
All the democrats in Reading Pennsylvania, must have donated the schools money to the Re-Elect Obama Fund. Now looks whose spending your money!
07:32 AM on 06/16/2012
The Republican-led legislature is debating a proposed budget from Gov. Tom Corbett (R) that would cut $100 million more from public K-12 education, and end a block grant program that funds kindergarten and small class sizes. did you miss that?
12:30 AM on 06/16/2012
Democratic strategist and political consultant James Carville recently wrote a report ...which said essentially that voters no longer have stardust in their eyes and Obama’s vision of Wonderland just isn’t as convincing as it once was...“These voters are not convinced that we are headed in the right direction. They are living in a new economy — and there is no conceivable recovery in the year ahead that will change the view of the new state of the country.

Example of obama stimulus failures.

In September 2009 with the state reeling and an unemployment rate of 14.1 percent, then Gov. Jennifer Granholm announced a green jobs training program that she said would help make Michigan “a center for renewable energy and green jobs” by training people in eight of Michigan’s most economically depressed cities.

Almost three years later, the Energy Conservation Apprenticeship Readiness Program (ECAR) had just 200 people apply statewide, cost $2.3 million in federal stimulus money and yielded few jobs for the enrollees who were trained.

For example, of the 24 students who enrolled in the city of Detroit’s program, only one got a job for which they were trained while two others landed in apprenticeship programs. There are 3.1 million jobs in the state.

In Benton Harbor, there were 20 enrollees in the nine-week training program. Two got jobs directly related to their training.

“Those green jobs never came.”
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rhondajohn
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02:31 AM on 06/16/2012
Thank you, accurate and concise. Fanned and Faved.
GreatGrand mama
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02:42 AM on 06/16/2012
if that is the reason for screwing with the schooling for chidren??? why aren't the jobs that require men who do work around the state on their union jobs.. why aren't they kicked out onto the street???
12:14 AM on 06/16/2012
Looks like the union pensions and union wages have bankrupted the city. What the unions didn't accomplish the minority immigrant population did. Blame liberal policies for this.
retiredfemale
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12:49 AM on 06/16/2012
You are guessing as there is nothing in the story about unions, it is about the Gov cutting funding by over $100 million, bet he didn't cut any funds for his rich backers.
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kfmagee
Smarter Than the Average Bear
01:03 AM on 06/16/2012
Didn't need to cut them a break... they prepared to take care of themselves... they don't need handouts. Back in the days of the early civilizations, people had to make their way... the great civilizations of egypt, greece, and china didn't have socialized support except for things like defense and roads. Families worked or starved... it is a hard lesson to learn, but it did work.
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kempray
"the best is yet to come"
02:14 AM on 06/16/2012
We all know how the Democrats are getting all the money they can get their hands on for the re-elect Obama bandwagon!... No surprise here. The Republican Party WILL put America Back to work... Something Obama doesn't have the slightest clue how to do!
12:08 AM on 06/16/2012
Funds from the 2009 federal stimulus are drying up. This money paid for 275,000 U.S. education jobs, including 6,000 teachers in Pennsylvania.
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So what is Obama's answer to this problem, MORE STIMULUS??? Are we supposed to BUY MORE JOBS every time the cities run out of money?? Here is a novel idea obama never thought of, How about creating some jobs that will bring in some tax money ?? Is that too radical for you liberals?? The obama solution to this is every two years we print more money, then we borrow a matching amount from China, then give it to the cities and buy jobs to last another two years. Then we repeat this every two years until someone commits these loons to a mental institution where they belong.
retiredfemale
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01:25 AM on 06/16/2012
Here is a lesson in Civics 101 as you seem to have missed it; only Congress can make laws and only the House can write bills that spend money. Only Congress has the authority to make laws and that includes laws that will help get people working. If you go to the House of Representative's web site you will see a long list of bills that are titled Jobs.....(whatever) however if you actually go and look at the summary of the bill it contains things like "Job Creation and Regulatory Freeze Act of 2011" which does not create a single job but 'Prohibits a federal agency from issuing a covered regulation for the period beginning 30 days after the enactment of this Act and ending Jan 20, 2013. Or try the "Jobs Creation Act of 2011" which includes a repeal of the 1980 Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act that prohibits leasing or other development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: this same 'Job Creation Act" Title V: Reduction in Federal Workforce which requires that the total number of federal employees doesn to exceed 90% of the total number of such employees as of Sept 30, 2011, 2) until the end of FY 2014 agencies do not appoint more than one employee for every 3 employees retiring or otherwise separating from government service; there is more but you can go read it yourself. My point is none of this has created a job.
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rhondajohn
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02:35 AM on 06/16/2012
Thanks for that. Government's job is to get the heck out of the way and let the people employ each other. If you to government as the solution to our problems then you'll be disappointed, Greek or both.
GreatGrand mama
We must make our choices with care
02:44 AM on 06/16/2012
what I am saying.. it is always the children and the female teachers that get the shaft..when the State starts cutting jobs... Same as Wisconsin..and in Michigan. and The Fat butt Repubics are sitting on their backsides.. raking in the cash for their booze, and their chicks on the side.
03:15 AM on 06/16/2012
Really? So male teachers are retaining their jobs? Do you have a link to this? Because that's the first time I've heard that particular allegation.
Steve68112
Provoking thought through sarcasm
05:46 AM on 06/16/2012
Are you a chick on the side? I always thought of chick as more of a main dish, not a side dish...
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Mike Davis 747
12:02 AM on 06/16/2012
The obvious question is: Why on earth would anyone in their right mind live in Reading PA?
retiredfemale
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01:29 AM on 06/16/2012
Can't afford to move? Heck I had to wait until I could retire before I could escape the winters and cold in MN! Those Teachers should come to where I am in MN as we are looking for teachers and are building a new school (if the referendum passes). It is a small town and really nice place to live, MN unemployent rate is 5.6% so we are not hurting.
01:52 AM on 06/16/2012
For some, it is affordable. For others, like me, it's my home.
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llopez2196
11:57 PM on 06/15/2012
Where are the bailouts for our school districts? We need to make a bigger investment in our kids and stop spending all our money on Government. We want our kids to be competitive in the World job market yet our government officials seem to do everything they can to prevent that.
Let's lay off at least 1/2 of our Government...Fed, State and local and use the money for our kids education..PreK thru college.
retiredfemale
Internet=no excuse for ignorance
01:30 AM on 06/16/2012
I have a better idea, lets lay off some of the Military and stay out of wars for awhile then some of these kids would have Dads and Moms at home.
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llopez2196
12:39 PM on 06/16/2012
Not a good idea. That leaves us open to invasion by some terrorist organization.
11:56 PM on 06/15/2012
Where is the School Board in all of this? If the entire community agrees the School Board can obtain funding in a variety of different ways independent of the State or Federal Government through Property Taxes. If you want good schools spend your time effort and energy to work with your individual School Boards and the parents to come up with what is needed and forget about the Governor. If all the School District Money is tied up in paying lavish pensions to retired teachers who is to blame for that? Hmmmmmm.......
retiredfemale
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01:39 AM on 06/16/2012
Teacher's pensions are no more 'lavish' then anyone elses and they pay into it just like the rest of us. And the article states that over 40% of the people who live in that school district are at or below poverty level so that is why the school district is not as flush as the more affluent districts in the State.
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rhondajohn
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02:42 AM on 06/16/2012
Really?! Teacher pensions are, like many other public employee pensions grossly exorbitant. As I posted earlier, US military veterans are limited to a 50% of their best salary pension after 20-35 years of service. Most, if not all of teachers are way beyond this at the point of retirement and their salaries are greater in the first place.
As far as the poverty level goes, water would find its own level and the checks and balances of economics would occur if the government would resist propping up an economy with taxpayer dollars at the state level and force communities to survive on their own tax base.