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Blackspeare
06:57 PM on 06/22/2012
All internal rebellions require external support to succeed simply because the regime in power is too strong to be overturned. Even the American War for Independence would not have succeeded if not for the support from France. And the longer the world waits the bloodier it gets!
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Blackspeare
06:51 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey has got to be careful----the Kurds are on the move and are just waiting for the right time to launch a major revolt with some major backing. As the Kurds say in my family; "If not now, then when?"; "If not us, then who?"
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Volkan Koknar
07:14 PM on 06/22/2012
It's you. We will give you a big land. But undergroung... And if you want now. This is okay. Armenians did this. Armenians attacked to Turkish women and civilians when all Turkish army was in the army on WW1. And they paid the price. So Kurds must be careful while Turks are still having tolerance for them.
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Blackspeare
07:40 PM on 06/22/2012
WOW----Your history is muddled as well as your English!
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
10:10 PM on 06/22/2012
So sicne the Armanian gencide went so wel lyou think it'd bea good tiem to try it again?
Man, get bent. Seriously. 90* around a corner until it pops.
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cabinetmaniac
Think for yourself. Question authority.
06:50 PM on 06/22/2012
"Turkey Warplane Down Near Syria "

Should read:

Turkey Warplane Down In Syrian Territory

Subhead:

Turkish act of war condemned by all.

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Volkan Koknar
07:16 PM on 06/22/2012
Who told you Turkish war plane was flying in Syrian territory. You must learn that there can me hundred km between the place plane was hit and the plane has crashed. Planes are not like cars. they keep on flying with after they have been hit
07:50 PM on 06/22/2012
hahahahah... yeah right, genius... if there is any slight change in the aerodynamic structure of the aircraft, even as a result of a small issue as icing, the plane doesn't fly. if the plane was hit by a missile, the chances are likely that it was shot down near the contact point. learn a little thing or two before making such embarrassing comments.
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cabinetmaniac
Think for yourself. Question authority.
09:34 AM on 06/23/2012
"Turkey's President Abdullah Gul said Saturday that a Turkish military jet shot down by Syria may have entered Syria's airspace"

07:24 PM on 06/22/2012
agree..... and i dont think it'll take too long to see this headline either.....(like days)
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IggyMop
You need me.
06:43 PM on 06/22/2012
NATO can now move in. Nothing good can happen from this.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:03 PM on 06/22/2012
I'm not sure.... It lowers Assad's life expectancy a little more.
08:08 PM on 06/22/2012
Rumour has it that the UN is preparing to make a statement...that the silencing of protesters in Quebec is anti-democratic.
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Blackspeare
06:41 PM on 06/22/2012
Finally, the Russians are on the board with a successful hit from one of their air defense batteries. I think congratulations are called for all around at the politburo. Now Putin can hold his head high and say don't mess with the Russian Bear----we're gamers now!
07:06 PM on 06/22/2012
umm... their 1960s hardware in serbia downed a few nato planes already. the only reason newer tech hasn't been tested is because nato didn't have any courage to strike any country who deployed these systems.
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Blackspeare
07:46 PM on 06/22/2012
And now we know why----but the pilot training to take evasive action is also important.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:18 PM on 06/22/2012
That's probably what they said in Iraq in 1989.
Their batteries' operators' life insurers weren't laughing for very long.
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Blackspeare
07:44 PM on 06/22/2012
It boils down to the pilot's skill and technology to take evasive action-----I doubt the Turks are trained that well or the plane has the technology.
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Galilee
I boycott products from Syria & Gaza dictatorships
06:33 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey is bulling all its neighbors, Cyprus, Kurds, Greece, Israel and Syria.
That's what happens when a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood wins elections.
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Volkan Koknar
06:55 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey hasn't got one proper neighbour. They are all enemies for 1000 years.
07:20 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey used to have one good neighbor.
07:22 PM on 06/22/2012
says the person driving on the wrong side of the autobahn...
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Galilee
I boycott products from Syria & Gaza dictatorships
06:22 PM on 06/22/2012
I'm tired of seeing Turkey meddling in the affairs of other countries. Sending planes and terrorists to Syria, Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and sending terrorists on ships to Israel.
Erdogan is a fanatic!
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Volkan Koknar
06:46 PM on 06/22/2012
Seems like you are from Israel...
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henrypapillon
Put a Psychiatrist in every NRA meeting.
07:02 PM on 06/22/2012
Actually, Syria is sending refugees across its borders.
01:15 AM on 06/23/2012
well, that's a fair trade then
06:21 PM on 06/22/2012
An attack on one nation is an attack on all NATO nations.
07:09 PM on 06/22/2012
using the same logic, an attack by one nation is an attack by all nato nations... this gives anyone justification for attacking united states, if and when turkey or any other nato ally attacks any other country. that's what happens when you fail in life so badly that you forget why and how things are supposed to make sense...
08:26 PM on 06/22/2012
It's not logic it's in the NATO charter. An attack on one NATO country meant an attack on all of them.
06:18 PM on 06/22/2012
@ NELSON RIVIERA:
How is Syria shooting down a Turkish military jet that violated Syrian airspace and act of war by Syria? Please explain that logic? Because according to international law it is Turkey that committed an act of war my militarily violating Syrian airspace and under international law Syria has every right to shoot down any violators of its airspace just like Turkey has the right to shoot down any Syrian aircraft that violates Turkish airspace.... I suggest you brush up on international law governing sovereign territory/airspace, because NATO cannot back Turkey... I know you are entitled to your warped views of international law but at least try to attempt to make some sense, because your statements make it quite evident your level of understanding when it comes to sovereignty and international law is on par with 3rd grade thinking.
07:18 PM on 06/22/2012
it's not... turkey has been harboring, arming and training terrorists who were committing all kinds of crimes against the syrian people, just because they happen to be of the "wrong" religious sect. if anything, using this kind of logic, nato has engaged in an act of war against syria by way of such heinous acts.

more importantly, the question must be what was a turkish surveillance aircraft doing inside syria's airspace, flying low, it's transponders not identifying the plane to the syrian radars and allegedly (as claimed by the turkish airforce) it's radio not functioning. that is if you believe the nonsense spouted by the turks. it's very difficult for a pilot to accidentally wander off into syria and keep flying there when the geography of the area makes for very easy visual markers.
08:22 PM on 06/22/2012
Hi Kettle meet Pot. Remember that Turkey and Syria almost went to war in 1999 because Syria got caught harboring Abdullah Ocalan (basically Turkey's Osama Bin Laden)?
07:27 PM on 06/22/2012
We don't know what really happened but this could be a Turkish pretext to draw NATO in. Assad out of power would lead to a Muslim Brotherhood regime in Syria to ally with others across the Arab world. Turkey's AKP, a Brotherhood-like party, is aiming for hegemony of the Sunni world. Not sure that would actually happen but Erdogan has been courting the region.

On the plus side, that would result in an end to the reign of Iran's mullahs. On the down side, there's that Jerusalem-centered Caliphate that the Brotherhood has in mind.

Why are there never any good solutions in that part of the world? Something to do with Islam, I think.
06:16 PM on 06/22/2012
If I was in our military or intelligence systems, I would start learning Turkish now. It would seem to me power (political, economic, militaristic) is shifting from Wester Europe in Turkey's direction.
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badger2196
Above the radar
06:30 PM on 06/22/2012
Huh?
06:44 PM on 06/22/2012
nonsense... turkey is being pushed by the west, it's not gaining power despite the west. the reason for this is to prevent an iranian hegemony in the region. left to it's own dynamics, turkey will collapse soon enough as any nation in the region ruled by sunni islamists. these people are notorious for failing to create a population that can ramp up a dynamic that is capable of solving the economic and social problems they face. many of these societies are so painfully dull and uncreative, you can smell your own intellect rotting away slowly when you spend some time around them.
09:33 PM on 06/22/2012
I would persist that Turkey's economy will continue to grow (whether or not it enjoys Western support) and its leadership will prove balanced enough to become the center of gravity in its region, extending all the way up to the borders of Germany and through to Iran in the East. 
06:10 PM on 06/22/2012
Syria for a country its size is very heavily and densly fortified with air defense batteries. Specially the infamous S-300 (SA-10), 9K33(SA-8), 9K37 Buk (SA-11), 9M311-1M Tunguska (SA-19), TOR-M1 (SA-15), Pantsir-S1 (SA-22) all very modern and one of the deadliest air defense systems in service anywhere.... If you remember how much fuss U.S & Israel put up when Iran signed a contract with Russia for delivery of the S-300 should tell you how seriously the Americans and Israelis take this systems, and Syria has these systems which are no joke and receiving more on the way from Russia. So Syria is not a the cake walk some believe it to be as it has heavily upgrade its air defense since the surprise Israeli raid in 2007.

Check Syrian air defenses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force
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wom122
Primum non nocere
06:39 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey is still much stronger and Syria is divided by civil war (to which Turkey is a party needless to say).
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Volkan Koknar
06:40 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey is not America nor France neither England. We are in the middle of middle east and have got long border with Syria. So if you think those air defence systems can save Assad. You are wrong.
07:28 PM on 06/22/2012
turkey, feeding an army of hundreds of thousands failed to conquer a single mountain top held by the kurdish guerillas. how funny that you seem to be under the impression that the turkish army is anything but incompetent.
06:07 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey is one of the last countries to fly the RF-4C. It's the recon/camera version of the F-4. Probably was a cross-border low-level recon mission and they got caught. Turkey has done this type of mission many times before for NATO ( there not in it - so if a plane is shot down or crews captured --- NATO is covered ). They conducted such missions across Iran in the late 70's-80's after the Shah fell. Your equipment has got to be huge to fly these 'suicide' missions. ( Hey U.S. Air Force ---- no drones, just guts !! )
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:35 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey is in NATO, just not if they fight with Greece.

Article V of the NATO treaty is very clear, Syria has just dropped itself into a potential fight with 28 heavily armed countries.
banderson2
82nd ABN Div Paratrooper Ret
07:00 PM on 06/22/2012
Explain that exactly. If Turkey was violating Syria's airspace then Syria had every right to shoot it down and any subsequent action by Nato would be against international law. Heck if Turkey was going to take some action they would have fought Israel after they killed a bunch of their citizens.
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zooks1
07:07 PM on 06/22/2012
This was not a act of aggression, Turkey violated Syrian territory and airspace. Syria acted in defense of their territory. It is not a attack or violation in any form. Had Syria crossed into Turkey, that would be a act of aggression. Still not enough to enact Nato protocols. The real question is what will turkey do in response to this. Remember Turkey is Sunni and they hate the Shites. If Turkey does attack Syria in response that triggers Iran and with Iran on the table it will be play ball. Watch russia closely, they are moving ships into the mediteranean to act as a shield for Syria
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blurredmolly
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06:40 PM on 06/22/2012
2 lost pilots. I'll take drones any day.
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Andrew McLaughlin1
Too Weird to Live Too Rare to Die
05:55 PM on 06/22/2012
this situation is more of a reason for global intervention than any conflict since WW2 yet when war is declared it is never for freedom, it's for tyranny, it's just that the average person doesn't want to have to kill to secure freedom even if thats what it takes.
06:17 PM on 06/22/2012
I would say the Korean conflict had a good bit of freedom at stake. Still not over, in fact.
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Andrew McLaughlin1
Too Weird to Live Too Rare to Die
06:31 PM on 06/22/2012
not saying that freedom isn't an aspect, but the korean war was arguably the first of the cold war proxy conflicts, and being part of the cold war, we are dealing with two sides who think they have it right and sought to globalize their government i.e create tyranny
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nelson rivera
Disabled US Veteran hopes we can work together
05:49 PM on 06/22/2012
Turkey was Attacked so a Article 5 of the NATO treaty is in effect soon. All of NATO can now act to end this aggression soon.
06:14 PM on 06/22/2012
No money. Looks like they are gunna take it.
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Volkan Koknar
06:54 PM on 06/22/2012
Really? So easy? So you shall remember how you could sleep better for 50 years while Turkey was watching Russia and Russian missilies. And still Turkey keeps the important radar system of NATO against Russia and Iran.
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nelson rivera
Disabled US Veteran hopes we can work together
07:00 PM on 06/22/2012
One problem NATO will have to wait for US to lead. They might have to wait till After US elections? Obama might just dither and tell UN to handle this problem? Romney would Lead  NATO to do something if one more plane is shot down?
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Blackspeare
06:44 PM on 06/22/2012
Nope----the Turkish aircraft entered Syrian airspace. The Turks have to apologize!
05:41 PM on 06/22/2012
come on turkey, lets see how your f-16s stand against s-300s. i'm pretty sure israelis would like to know it for themselves.