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08:52 PM on 08/17/2012
If you don't have enough initiative to get a FREE government issued ID card, you don't deserve to vote. The solution here is not carping about how unfair life and politics is, but getting out the vote by urging your constituency to exert a minimal amount of personal responsibility and get their free ID. And then pray it doesn't rain on election day.

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Salleyanne
09:04 PM on 08/17/2012
Hate to tell you, but not all states issue FREE government ID's. It costs $18 in Kansas.
09:15 PM on 08/17/2012
We're not in Kansas any more.
07:31 AM on 08/18/2012
skip 3 packs of cigarettes....it's better for everyone
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For folks to believe facts
10:07 PM on 08/17/2012
Advertising on HP violates the posting guidelines
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
08:02 PM on 08/17/2012
Republicans like to think that public employees can be infinitely productive. Mostly because they don't like to pay for anything, but also because they are aggressively oblivious to human capital.

They hate small government when they actually get it.
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tacevad
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08:57 PM on 08/17/2012
republican administrations have overseen the largest increases in the size of Government while Democratic Administartions shrink government... check the history those are FACTS
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ZeraLee
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04:31 PM on 08/18/2012
Historically true at the *federal* level, though the republicans presently have a "fiscal consolidation" plan to sack federal employees to drive down white collar wages.
I haven't seen any employment history numbers at the state level.

Two things I do know:

The gains from the stimulus have been largely negated by the republican war on public unions. It's the one area of the economy that has been consistently losing jobs - especially since the stimulus ran out.

The republicans in MN have been squeezing the state budget to the detriment of the sick, the elderly, and local units of government (read property tax increases and cuts to county/city services). They wanted to cut 15% of the staff in all state agencies, and they tried to force it with an unprecedented 20-day shutdown of the state government.

Fun fact: after cutting financial support to local units of government, MN republicans turned around and sued several counties for not instantly reproducing large numbers of documents they requested during the Dayton/Emmer recount. It took them more than half a year to pay their tab for those documents.
09:35 PM on 08/17/2012
thyats funny...because i pay for everything i have..I am a nurse and I understand because i too am a public servant. But i see no harm in showing id when i go to vote. August to november is plenty of time for people to get an id and i am tired of people saying I can't. We livein America and we should all be saying I can....not I can't. If you are passionately wanting to vote. Then passionately go to the DMV and get an ID, or fill out an absentee ballot, or do a provisional to buy more time. No problem
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bushbinlion
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02:21 AM on 08/18/2012
Poll tax: a capitation tax, the payment of which is sometimes a prerequisite to exercise the right of suffrage. i.e. paying for copies of birth certificates, etc. Yes, problem.
07:32 AM on 08/18/2012
There you go again...trying to be rational.

You're gonna get a bad name on HuffPo
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08:01 PM on 08/17/2012
They should have done it earlier, but the question is, seeing as most people don't like the idea of voter fraud, how else could a secure system be put in place without being accused of trying to disenfranchise people.
08:54 PM on 08/17/2012
There have been only 10 cases of voter fraud in TEN YEARS in the ENTIRE COUNTRY! Some of those were people signing petitions with names like "Mickey Mouse" and voter fraud laws won't change that. There is NO NEED to protect against something that isn't happening. Voter fraud laws are just another way for Republicans to steal another election. Why can't they just win or lose on what they really believe in? It's because they only believe in making rich people richer and its the little people who will vote for/against them.
09:31 PM on 08/17/2012
how do you know that these are the only cases? The others havent surfaced yet....
07:33 AM on 08/18/2012
That's how the AIDS epidemic started....only 10 cases, no need to protect our health.....
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sepblues
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09:30 AM on 08/18/2012
There is virtually no voter fraud. Ignorance is what allows these manipulations. Get educated.
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Joan Bessicks
03:28 PM on 08/19/2012
Yep, worked at the polls for 30yrs. Donald Duck won often. Most voters are ignorant when it comes to voting. A lot of ballots are voided due to...voter errors. I came to think this was by...design.
07:53 PM on 08/17/2012
why is this so conroversial anyway?
08:36 PM on 08/17/2012
To put it mildly, it is manipulative GOP d-baggery ad nauseam, straight out of the "Republican Tactical Handbook on Bigotry, Hypocrisy, and Mindlessness", 7th ed.
08:54 PM on 08/17/2012
Nobody cares what you believe. Many of these people have some form of ID but the GOP leaders decided to create hurdles by refusing to accept those ID's now. First they say you need an ID to vote and they make it difficult to get an ID closing some DMV offices, reducing the office hours and ask for 5 or 6 sets of documents to get an ID.

You should be ashamed of yourself thinking that it won't effect you in the long run. It does effect your life at some point in future. People will have to pay for their karma. Racism, hatred is bringing this country down and don't forget that people like you are part of it.
10:37 PM on 08/17/2012
if you can spend money from a checkbook, show id to get into a bar, show id to pick up a check or apply for government assistance programs than there should be no problem with this. Please don't forget...the law does not say that democrats need ID, It is all people.  I do not hate.  I volunteer, I am a nurse, I give to charity, I work in homeless shelters at Christmastime when I could be with my family.  Just because I don't agree with a liberal mindset, you have alot of nerve telling someone that you dont even know that they are a hateful person.  It is actually people like you pointing fingers that are bringing the country down.  I will never understand why thinking that showing ID is useful translates to hatred and racism.  And I would be the first person to drive someone to the DMV to get an ID.  You don't even know me.  But thank you for reminding me why I try to stay away from this kind of crowd.  Because yur words were the ones that aren't particularly very nice...even on the border of hateful....
07:35 AM on 08/18/2012
The bottom line is that the requirements are the same for everyone.....the libs just need to pretend they are buying menthol cigarettes...or malt liquor.
07:52 PM on 08/17/2012
i believe that dead people have been voting for years. It is august. There is plenty of time to go to your nearest penndot and get an id. Everyone is supposed to carry ID anyway. Scary to think that there are so many unidentified people walking around.
08:28 PM on 08/17/2012
There's no law stating an American citizen has to carry ID. We don't live in a police state... not officially anyway.
10:30 AM on 08/18/2012
You show one when you get arrested don't ya ?
08:57 PM on 08/17/2012
There have only been 10 actual cases in the entire country in TEN YEARS. Of those ten cases, some of them are only lumped in with voter fraud because they didn't have anywhere else to put it-things like signing a petition with the name Mickey Mouse. Voter fraud laws won't change that. You really need to do some homework on this and apparently a lot of other topics, as well.
10:24 PM on 08/17/2012
you called me a robo because i gave you a valid argument. this site is hostile. i'm leaving :)
10:25 PM on 08/17/2012
and i actually came on her to attempt to see the other side of things....and this is what i get :)
07:31 PM on 08/17/2012
I live in PA. I had been waiting hopefully, patiently for the ruling this week. No way, I thought, could this thing could hold up in light of such damning evidence. The idea of voter ID laws is not objectionable in itself. What is repulsive is the fact that this law was executed with the explicit intent to disenfranchise Democratic voters, and the timing of it was just perfect -- nothing short of calculated deceit in the highest degree. The night I found out about the ruling, I literally could not sleep; I was and continue to be beyond rage, beyond sadness, beyond incredulity. I have since volunteered for a well-organized voter education campaign, and will try to believe that the hope of an enduring American democracy is not lost.
07:55 PM on 08/17/2012
why do you automatically assume that the law disenfranchises democrats? That says it all right there. Why don't democrats have identification? We live in a society where you need to carry ID to prevent identity theft and fraud. Why shouldn't we be preventing voter fraud?
08:10 PM on 08/17/2012
"In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity, including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

… Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters."

There is no voter fraud, that's why there is no need to prevent it.
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DaCoach
04:23 AM on 08/18/2012
Does it strike you as a coincidence that every voter ID voting law was passed by GOP controlled legislatures? Is it a coincidence that studies by numerous organizations have proven that dem leaning voters are overwhelmingly impacted by the new laws? Are homeless and elderly and single parent heads of household disadvantaged to a greater degree than others?

At least be honest in affirming that this law was an attempt to diminish people more inclined to not vote GOP. Spin it all you want but this was not about preventing fraud. It was about winning elections. When it's easier for some to cast a vote than others, we have made the playing field unleveled. And for those who cherish the right for every legal citizen to vote, this is truly a sad day in America.

There should be no home field advantage to either party. It is the obligation of every politician to assure that every legal voter has the maximum opportunity to cast their vote. And that includes even lazy citizens.
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James Bridges
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07:00 PM on 08/17/2012
All voter registration forms in all states should have a picture ID. Problems and non-problems solved. How's that for a simplistic solution. Shouldn't cost more a billion to implement.
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jbtex
founders, not saints
10:48 AM on 08/18/2012
National Voter ID program as part of the next census. Cameras and printers carried to the doorstep of every US household.
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James Bridges
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06:58 PM on 08/17/2012
Nothing ever happens without other unplanned results. Simplistic solutions for non-problems usually have the most It is a corollary of Murphy's Law.
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jbtex
founders, not saints
10:49 AM on 08/18/2012
The intended consequence of these laws is voter supression.
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Synik2
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06:54 PM on 08/17/2012
So, can I use my Costco card as a valid ID?
07:41 AM on 08/18/2012
Sure, at Costco
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rosiebond007
05:43 PM on 08/17/2012
There was never much work to do in the first place since there is very little voter fraud anywhere !!!
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hangr54
Republicans are not an option
05:13 PM on 08/17/2012
Welcome to the great state of Pennsylvania (unless you're poor ,hispanic,elderly, black,a woman or plan on voting democrat) With no verified cases of voter fraud on record,they feel the need to make sure the republicans win in nov. Disgusting. I'm ashamed of you Pennsylvania
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Synik2
Snarkism is a pre-existing condition
06:54 PM on 08/17/2012
I'm going to guess that it also includes the Amish.
09:45 PM on 08/17/2012
if people were voting on behalf of someone else, how could one know about that fraudulent act? It wouldn't have a paper trail, therefore of course it would not be on record.
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sepblues
Truth Avenger
09:43 AM on 08/18/2012
Do you believe in proof as you say you do? Those trying to impose voter ID laws have zero proof that there has been any voter fraud. They would have to prove widespread conspiracy to rig the election with false ID's-because one or two people would not make a difference. No such conspiracy has been reported or even suspected anywhere. Did you know thousands of legal registered voters around the country have been kicked off voter rolls?
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DaCoach
08:48 PM on 08/18/2012
Let's assume the new law prevents 20 fraudulent votes but also, as a result, 5000 legal voters do no cast their votes. Is that a fair tradeoff for you?
05:06 PM on 08/17/2012
The burden of these renewed "SLAVE POLL TAX" laws. C'mon Pennsylvania are you still in the century before last?
07:57 PM on 08/17/2012
big deal to carry ID. Democrats have been winning because dead people are voting than I guess this election will determine how much voter fraud was actually occuring. In my opinion, this is the best expose ever.
08:55 PM on 08/17/2012
Parading your ignorance everywhere and taking pride in it?
09:00 PM on 08/17/2012
You must be one of those robo things because a human being couldn't possibly be that stupid and be able to type and breathe at the same time.
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MineMan
03:41 PM on 08/17/2012
I live in Texas but I do not hold out much hope for DNC success in this State.
I have a couple of friends, that are on food stamps,k that aregoing to vote for R & R. Just because they are republican and their daddy was a republican, and they once met Nixon.
I have a real inteligence problem to overcome down here.
There are more registered Democrats in Texas than Republicans by a significant margin.
They actually thought George II was an inteligent fellow.
I can hardly contain myself. But there just has been nothing gained by arguing with them. They just shout louder.
04:19 PM on 08/17/2012
"But there just has been nothing gained by arguing with them. They just shout louder."

It looks like they are obsessed with fear/hate of this alien Husein B. Obama - LOL
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trying this again
04:58 PM on 08/17/2012
I like living in San Antonio because it is more liberal and I moved from Paul Ryan District last year. I'm almost tempted to switch, but I like the idea of voting against Ryan twice.
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MineMan
05:32 PM on 08/17/2012
YEA,,, another voice out of all of the gloom.
I thought I was alone. Why are all of the Texas Democarts hiding?
Austin?
03:40 PM on 08/17/2012
PA must not have a history of voter suppression. That is how they struck down the other laws, certain states cannot change their voter laws within six months of an election because they are synonymous with voter obstruction.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
03:38 PM on 08/17/2012
When did Pennsylvania turn into Texas or Florida? Hold crap balls, what's wrong with you people?
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tacevad
SS Card Carrying Socialist just like you
09:01 PM on 08/17/2012
when we foolishly elected this Republican Governor Corbett