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GentleGim
The opposite of austerity is GROWTH.
04:03 AM on 08/22/2012
People who eat more eggs specifically probably also eat more FOOD in general.... isn't over eating just as likely to be a contributor?
03:16 AM on 08/22/2012
Delicious, nutritious eggs! I eat many eggs each day, and my health is ASTOUNDING.
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Gina Ryder
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11:59 AM on 08/22/2012
Glad you enjoy eggs!
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Ashlieeeee
Free thinkers are dangerous!
02:25 AM on 08/22/2012
If you eat too much of anything it will kill you. Just don't live on eggs
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Omar Azcarraga
02:15 AM on 08/22/2012
My great Aunt has eaten 2 eggs almost every day since about 1916. She is now 97 years old. Yes, her health is starting to fail as she reaches her 98th birthday. Is it the eggs?
01:16 PM on 08/22/2012
My grandparents lived well into their 90s eating fried eggs several times a week.
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TeamSanity
strong emotions don't equate strong arguments
01:20 AM on 08/22/2012
A nice bit of unscrambling the complicated assertions we continually get yoked with!

I've been reading about nutrition ever since my mother's copy of Sugar Blues scared the heckouttame when I was a little kid. I've heard so much contradictory science that even if one gets an advanced degree obviously there are still major disagreements.

As we've started keeping chickens, I'm going to go with the pro-egg school of thought. I put mine over spinach and the sides are generally fruit, more veggies and artichoke spread on Ezekial bread. If that puts me at risk, SO BE IT. Why eke out a few more years at the end when all the ones comin' up to it are spent forcing oatmeal down your throat!
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11:14 AM on 08/22/2012
Ate my eggs yesterday scrambled with kale, collards and tomato. On the other hand usually have oatmeal for breakfast 4-5 days an week and like it just fine. Different tastes....
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TeamSanity
strong emotions don't equate strong arguments
04:46 PM on 08/22/2012
Oh I know! I have valiantly tried to like oatmeal, I know it's economical and good for us, but every time and no matter how I fix it, it sticks in my stomach like glue and I feel rotten. On workdays it's homemade smoothies, and I just have to pray my students will be kind enough to point out when I've got purple or green things stuck in my teeth (sometimes they don't, the stinkers ;-)!
01:14 AM on 08/22/2012
Good thinking and a fun read! Scientific studies can sometimes be eggregious.
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Neuron Flash
Your Micro Brew Is Empty
01:12 AM on 08/22/2012
As Mark Twain one wrote, there are "Lies, d@mnded Lies, and statistics." The Thank you, Dr. Katz, for giving us a lesson on the misuse of statistics.
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salamanca1
We'll never run out of stupidity
09:44 AM on 08/22/2012
Faved for Twain quote.
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04:09 PM on 08/24/2012
Then you'll like "Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science," an article in The Atlantic about Dr. John Ioannidis: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269, who wrote the following brilliant and widely-read analysis: http://www.ncbi.nlmnih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/?tool=pmcentrez
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
12:43 AM on 08/22/2012
Just wash that bacon and egg breakfast down with a glass of red wine and you'll be fine.
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
12:42 AM on 08/22/2012
Anyone with blind faith in the explanatory powers of "science" needs to do some detailed study of what scientists have told us to eat, drink, and even smoke over the past fifty or so years. Like everything else, it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt. (Although salt raises your blood pressure so not too much of it.)
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tobynsaunders
Vegan (& so should you!), Progressive (join us!),
06:08 AM on 08/22/2012
The thing you seem to be missing is that science is getting better. It's not just "a few studies have been misleading in the past, so that same percentage of studies will remain false": things are getting better, more accurate, more ethical. "But people years ago German 'scientists' told us blonde people were super smart", "but people used to think leeches were good", "but people used to...".... it's not the past. Eggs have high cholesterol: what more info do you want? You want more info about why cholesterol is bad? Dude writing this article was making egg puns & typing hundreds of words, all to say, "let's not quite make that tobacco comparison just yet".
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
04:48 PM on 08/22/2012
Is food science really "getting better" or is that just a slogan the scientific establishment wants you to repeat? I don't see a train moving forward; I see a car veering all over the road honking about the latest health food fads.
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thoreau101
07:42 AM on 08/22/2012
You write this AS IF none of what science has said is valid.
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Talossa
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04:49 PM on 08/22/2012
I'm sure some of it is valid. I'm also sure some of it is not. My point is that it is "science" that is talking out of both sides of its mouth. Nothing illustrates this better than scientific food fads. Maybe egg farmers just don't have the resources to hire scientists that will back their claims.
12:32 AM on 08/22/2012
Great article! I don't think the "adaptation" argument holds much water though, since cavemen had a very different set of diseases killing them off. This is why, evolutionarily, we are programmed to store fat, even though in modern civilization, this is not a life-lengthening adaptation. In the same way, a big piece of meat might have been the perfect thing to increase a caveman's survival (very calorie dense, protein rich, etc.) since he was in constant danger of starving to death, but the same piece of meat (as you have stated yourself) does not optimize our health today.

On the other hand, your point about confounding is beautifully made. I couldn't believe how little I was taught about nutrition in medical school, even though it is implicated in the majority of illness. I have never understood why doctors believe these horrible food studies. For example, it has never really been proven that dietary fat has anything to do with atherosclerosis (to do this, we'd need a study that corrects for confounding dietary factors), yet this is the dogma we are all taught in medical school. The studies that do exist almost always compare the American diet to a superior one ("Mediterranean" or otherwise) and somehow conclude that it's the dietary cholesterol and fat that are causing the problem, when it is just as likely to be the simple carbohydrates that are spiking blood sugars, leading to obesity, metabolic derangement, and the increased inflammatory state that cause atherosclerosis.
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RoughCollie
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07:50 AM on 08/22/2012
Well said. I am constantly amazed how little my husband was taught about nutrition and it's association, err..cause and effect, with health and disease in medical school but that was over 30 years ago, I eggs-pext that's been changed by now. F&F
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04:10 PM on 08/24/2012
Nope. Hasn't changed.
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proveit2me
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11:55 PM on 08/21/2012
I see the powerful Egg lobby has gotten to you too...
01:58 AM on 08/22/2012
Ohplease... Unless you were kidding
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proveit2me
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05:30 PM on 08/23/2012
It was a quote from the Simpsons. Yes, it was a joke.
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thoreau101
07:42 AM on 08/22/2012
You see nothing.
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NewYank
11:46 PM on 08/21/2012
Eggs Good...Wait...Eggs Not So Good; Coffee Good...wait...Coffee Not So Good; Soy Good...wait...Soy Not Good; Fats BAD...wait... Some Fats Good.....Some Fats Bad....
Got any more brilliant totally contradictory studies for us, Doc? I'm SOOOOO Confused!!!
07:41 AM on 08/22/2012
I can only suggest reading Gary Taubes as an unconfuser. Worked for me.
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NewYank
01:25 AM on 08/24/2012
Thnx, I'll check him out.
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Brooke123456
God is ....(fill in the blank how you like)
05:06 PM on 08/22/2012
If you go by popular press on these things...you will remain confused.
Stick to the organizations that aggregate the evidence of individual papers before making any belief changes or assumptions on what is true.
AMA
IPCC
NSF
NAS
Etc....
They will typically (though not always) error on the side of status quo, as they understand that most individual papers and studies are not reliable on their own. It takes years to detangle a messy and complicated reality and it is rarely overturned by a single paper...especially one that is just based on statistics!
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
11:33 PM on 08/21/2012
I would fill in the blank 'acne and eggs'. Since I stopped eating eggs, including in cakes, mayonnaise etc, I have no more acne. That's the good news.

The bad news is that it takes months for the stuff to wash out of the system and the skin to clear up. When you do a test and eat an egg to see if acne returns, the incubation period is five to seven days. Most people have forgotten by then that they ate eggs days ago.

It gets worse still. Chicken meat and turkey also cause acne (with me). Isn't life full full of choices!
03:17 AM on 08/22/2012
It's amazing how people are different; I had two friends in college that ate only plants -- and they both had horrible skin and hair that looked as if it belonged on a cheap doll. Wonderful gals, all the same.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
08:09 PM on 08/22/2012
Must be in the DNA then. There are obviously many culprits. Would be good to have a list, so that people can test one by one. What fascinated me with my experience was the enormous delay factor, i.e. don't only look at what you ate yesterday look also at what you ate last week and before.
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RoughCollie
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08:31 AM on 08/22/2012
That's interesting. Is it just for you? Are there other member in your family with this sensitivity? Are there studies or clinical experiences (the doctor notices an association/ cause and effect among other patients who complain of the same thing) implicating eggs and acne? Dr. Mercola recently wrote an article on how carbohydrate rich meals which cause swings in insulin can in turn affect the skin which also surprised for me but would explain my childhood acne because we didn't much meat because my parents were on the poor side and meat for a large family was more expensive than bread and cereals.

Referring to the gist of this article, how do you know if it is eggs or what environmental conditions the chicken experienced, such as what it was fed that in turn influences molecular changes in the eggs and meat? For example, have you compared organic, free range chicken and their eggs against more conventionally grain fed (as in Monsanto corn) and antibiotic treated, intensely stressed (due to small caged environment with no sunlight or fresh air) chicken and their eggs, the kind people buy in the store?
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
08:22 PM on 08/22/2012
What chickens are fed is secret in this country Australia. They have to buy the feed from the processor/marketer but are not eligible to know what's in there or feed anything else.  Well, as a war child I had no meat whatsover before the age of five, and after that very, very little because we were also on the poor side.  I have recently forked out on the expensive organic eggs, but find I can only eat them extremely rarely as a biit of acne comes back. When I have to attend a fundraising function where I break my rule and eat a piece of cake, made obviously with cheap eggs, I'll pay for it. I loved turkey, but found I pay for that, too. Just an idea that people can try before getting on strong medication with lots of side effects, including suicidal tendencies.
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Relentless rik
11:16 PM on 08/21/2012
My ECGs and blood-pressure tests continue to come back fine, despite my love for eggs and salt.
03:18 AM on 08/22/2012
Me too! I eat eggs, red salmon, sardines, and walnuts every day. My blood profiles and blood pressure are perfect.
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thoreau101
07:43 AM on 08/22/2012
Fool yourself all you want.
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04:17 PM on 08/24/2012
And exactly what position are you in to tell this other person that he/she is fooling him/herself? I suspect he/she has a better idea than you do of whether his/her blood chemistry and blood pressure are normal.
11:09 PM on 08/21/2012
I don't eat eggs because the whole egg busines and the way chickens are treated is rotten to the bone. For cholesterol i don't care, i smoke, i drink...LOL
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04:21 PM on 08/24/2012
In most places, it's not hard to find eggs that aren't industrial products. For example, mine come from here: http://clarksummitfarm.com/poultry-and-eggs/ I wouldn't eat an industrial egg, either, because the commercial egg production industry is ghastly.