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03:06 AM on 08/25/2012
And isn't this opening a whole other can of worms about father's rights in the case of rape? If the rapist gets out of prison (if he's ever in prison in the first place) and wants parental rights over the child he forcibly created and the woman was forced to carry to term, does he have any rights? Visitation? If the woman decides to give the baby up for adoption, does the rapist/forcible sperm donor have a say in that? Can he ask for custody?
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isb782
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05:05 AM on 08/25/2012
I hope he is never granted joint custody over the child he created while raping his victim.
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Killermolls44
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05:07 AM on 08/25/2012
If I was in that position, I don't think I could live.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
02:32 AM on 08/25/2012
The so-called personhood amendments highlight one of the few zero-sum situations in life--that is, anything gained by one side must be lost by the other. Such an amendment steals personhood from women, all women.
The question is this--do you value the personhood of a woman over that of a non-viable fetus? Nature doesn't--at least half of all fertilized eggs never implant and don't even delay a woman's period. Many women miscarry naturally. What about a situation in which treating the mother could put the baby at risk? Do we just throw women away?
And abortion is always a tragedy--but declaring even a one-celled zygote a is just stupid. There is also the little matter of personhood responsibilities--no person has the right to co-opt another person's body. Applied fairly, as it most certainly would not be, a personhood amendment would actually protect a woman's right to choose, because the person (fetus) could not take over another person's body (the mother.)
Defeat this unjust and anti-woman non-sense! For God's sake women, wake up and vote to protect your rights while you still have them!
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isb782
JM is the Man!
05:05 AM on 08/25/2012
Few of us are awake just waiting for the rest to do so.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
04:03 PM on 08/25/2012
Well then help me keep the alarm going.
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Sahuaro
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12:31 AM on 08/25/2012
The question is: Will measures that ban women who have been impregnated by rape from having abortions be enacted, enabling rapists, with state support, even greater power to deprive women of their dignity and personhood?

How does this enable rapists? Why would a rapist be opposed to abortions? If caught, should he be lucky enough to get off in as little as ten years, he would be nailed with child support payments as well if abortions weren't allowed. Perhaps the law may deter the thinking rapist, if such a beast exists.
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01:45 PM on 08/25/2012
The laws can't even nail fathers married to the mothers and you think the LAW would nail rapist? Get real. How many divorced couples get no child support. It is always a fantasy that some people believe "the law" will take care of them BS. Well ask you neighbor when's the last time she got child support.
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Kara Kramer
03:22 PM on 08/25/2012
There is no such thing as a 'thinking rapist' and as for how it enables rapists, see above.The article EXPLAINED that.
Rape is a power and humiliation crime. The state helping rapists to force pregnancy on women gives the rapist the power to choose the mother of his child and women no power at all.
11:24 PM on 08/24/2012
I suppose that the state will pay these rape victims who are pregnant along with their medical bills, divorce bills (husbands divorcing rape victims is higher than normal divorce statistics), provide long term medical help if she has medical issues or the rapists spawn has medical issues. Who will pay death benefits if she dies in childbirth (US has higher maternal death rate than almost all the industrialized nations). What about this childs education, clothes, etc. Will the birth certificate say that this child was the result of a rape?

Many people adopting don't want a child that was the result of a rape? How about counceling when the child finds out its father was a rapist? How about custody battles with the rapist? Child Support? NO ONE IS ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS!!!!!
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12:36 PM on 08/25/2012
That is because they have no answers. They can see about as far as the end of their nose, and that is where their world ends.
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01:48 PM on 08/25/2012
No one will ever answer your questions because they don't care, it's not there business and it will be up to the child to make it in this world. Of course, they will turn out to be criminals. Maybe if some of these people who support this had to go through it themselves I bet you it would be different. I bet you if the ministers and women who support this got raped (or their daughters got raped) and found out they were pregnant, that their husband's left them, there were major medical issues, etc they would have a different take. In fact, those people were prominent, they would wisk their daughter off to another state to get that "tumor" removed.
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iridium53
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11:10 PM on 08/24/2012
Tyrannical extremeist male-dominated woman-hating religions supported by authoritarian police state tactics aiding and abetting rapists to further humiliate and subjugate women?
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Carl Caroli
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10:55 PM on 08/24/2012
This country has lost it's collective mind.
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Kara Kramer
09:49 PM on 08/24/2012
31 States in America recognise the paternal rights of the rapist, so if you get raped, the Republican party will force you to remain pregnant and then hand the child over to your rapist every weekend.

You can spend time at PTA meetings and soccer matches with your rapist, and attend your rapist's offsprings graduation, sitting beside your rapist and his family.
If you're a woman, they basically want your rapist to OWN you.
No innocent fetus should be killed, let's try and kill the rape victim instead.
These people are DISGUSTING.
01:36 PM on 08/25/2012
In some countries, women have to marry their rapists. I wouldn't be surprised if that is one of the ultimate goals of some of these extremists.
08:45 PM on 08/24/2012
Personhood laws are absolutely dangerous, draconian, and ultimately, will be unenforceable. What, are we going to put a woman in jail or try her if she miscarries? I mean, that is the tip of the iceberg, and it could really snowball from there and get totally out of control and really dangerous. The government has no place in our reproductive organs other than to allow us to make our own decisions about them and provide us safe and legal means to do so. End of story.
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mtnthunder
08:14 PM on 08/24/2012
Forced birth is torture and it is meant to humiliate and enslave women. As are all the anti-abortion, vaginal probe laws, forced ultrasounds, forced "counseling", laws stating that doctors must lie to their female patients. These RW nuts wish to force women to bear every pregnancy to term, at the same time they wish to pass laws declaring single motherhood to be a form of child abuse and to deny any public assistance for that mother and child. The twisted, misogynistic minds of these fools is frightening. I cannot believe it is 2012 and that we women are having to go to battle against these fools. Next up, remove women's right to vote and return them to the status of property, of men.
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mntnman69
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08:13 PM on 08/24/2012
I'm trying to think of one time I have heard of a rapist paying monetary funds to the victim for the raising of a child. Can't think of a one.
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fredrdr
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08:02 PM on 08/24/2012
I am amazed that we are having this discussion now. Before discussing abortion, how about exploring rape. Many rapes would be classified as date rape. When a college newspaper runs a column on the women I would like to rape, its needs to be addressed. When many men think its alright to have sex with a woman, without her consent its acceptable, it needs to be addressed. When men think it is acceptable to drug or get a woman drunk so she cannot give consent is acceptable, it needs to addressed. I have a proposal. I'll go along with the Taliban rules, as long as the male is forced to support the woman and child until college graduation. I mean full support so she can stay home with the child. If he refuses, prison for 25 years and the state pays. Comments?
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06:35 PM on 08/25/2012
I won't go along with the Taliban rules with ANY stipulations.

Abortion is legal in the US. Abortion must remain legal.