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gregbrooksme
07:19 AM on 08/31/2012
This statistic is about to change. I really wish the country would solidify on the health care reform because it is the right thing, and not the political right thing, just the right thing. Thank you.
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Frank Werker
11:55 AM on 08/31/2012
I doubt it.
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06:53 AM on 08/31/2012
USA
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WHo stats dont lie.
06:19 AM on 08/31/2012
I think they missed the point that not all "preventable" deaths should be prevented. Those that continue to smoke after 30 years of knowing smoking causes cancer should not necessarily be saved. The obese people that have been told to lose weight and exercise for 10 years, maybe we should not save them either. The alcoholic that ruins his liver made a choice many years ago not to be saved. In our country were you can do whatever you want people seem to have forgotten about personal responsibility. This study is flawed because it expects us to save everybody. I was a SF medic for 20+ years and knew along time ago you CAN'T save everybody, so save the good ones.
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Eric Jeffrey
My micro bio will remain empty
08:58 AM on 08/31/2012
Well our system does not save the "good" ones, as you would put it, just the better off ones. And the idea that you would decide who should live and who should die based on your perception of moral worth is rather frightening.
06:11 AM on 08/31/2012
just as much to question, why do we pay multiples more for the same drugs other countries pay ? questions need to be directed to our elected officials as there is an artificial base elevating our cost vs those of other nations, why ?
why does a by-pass in india get performed for $6500 vs usa $35,000, why ? they use the same medicines, procedures, why the cost variance ?
this is nothing short of organized chaos & collusion of govt officials & the healthcare industry & they need to be called to the mat. why else would they be so willing to demand one standard of care for the daily citizen & they get AAA service ?

its fraud
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06:52 AM on 08/31/2012
Why?
CORRUPTION+Monopoly+bought pols= Profit.
We have the worst system imaginable.
HIgh cost,bad outcomes,less access without insurance.
03:47 AM on 08/31/2012
When in college I took a course "Economics of the Healthcare Sector" and was absolutely SHOCKED! to hear (and this was many years ago) that the healthcare sector accounted for over 11% of our GDP! (My professor, BTW, was a woman who was, I found out, an adviser for the Reagan administration and was a firm believer that "health was a commodity", NOT A RIGHT! And certainly NOT a privilege. Notice how much that percentage has increased over the past 20 years or so. As a (retired) economist and Wall St. banker, I'd have something to say about that, but I won't.Our country needs to get over its "fear" of the words "like Europe" (hey, it was France that most heavily influenced our nation's founders with the "Enlightenment" movement); It's time that our leaders (including those recalictrant "schoolyard bullies" in the House, looked to science and quit putting the kabosh on any policy that could make our nation a healthier place to live. That includes cost-effective prenatal (and post-natal!) care for all women as well as contraception availability, well-woman exams (Thanks ACA/Obamacare!!!), and disease prevention. (Not to mention safe abortions when necessary.) Voters need to realize this. We absolutely need to keep Medicare (a most successful program, despite those who would make you think otherwise); New doctors shouldn't leave school with an obscene debt not found in other nations. A healthy nation is a prosperous, productive nation!
03:30 AM on 08/31/2012
People must start looking at the facts. If the republicans gain the White House and Majorities in the House and Senate, the deal with the devil will be signed sealed and delivered. Make no mistake about it America. We the People are seen to all of medicine as CUSTOMERS first. There isn't any need to invent a new disease for customers. That's the drug companies job. I know of a person who is a Coder for an Insurance Provider. When he has a few wines in him he starts to talk about some of the audits he does. Then he mentions how the hospitals have a tendency to lock the auditors out and refuse to let them back in to the billing section of the hospital. And they only audit about 3% of hospital billing. In that 3% there is a massive tendency to Bundle. That's right I heard of bundling before they offered it to us customers from cable companies and the like. There is a flat price for having a natural childbirth baby. Many Doctors try to tack on a private bill to the hospitals bill. Not legal. But in 97% of the non audited bills how much is not caught. Then there is the FINAL SOLUTION. Buy the provider company. Can you believe that? It's like buying the State Police to run the Army. Nuff said. Good luck America. I hope and Pray The Obamas don't have to move for the next four years.
06:23 AM on 08/31/2012
MEDICARE abuse in not a REP or DEM problem it is a criminal problem. We as a country lack the backbone to fix problems like this.
11:35 AM on 08/31/2012
In my opinion if we try to attack it your way we have a war such as the war on drugs which is as costly and futile. If it were me I'd allow freelance auditors like bounty hunters to become licensed and work for the insurance companies and stop the Hospitals from such a huge Conflict of Interest from buying these companies out. Let them get paid a percentage of their incorrect billing find. See how fast the Hospitals start to either reform their bundling or manipulate the billing another way. Let's not forget...Hospitals are businesses. Businesses to make MONEY. How much space does a hospital in your city take up? I'll bet they own the buildings! If not the landlords are probably the stock holders.
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Frank Werker
12:02 PM on 08/31/2012
There is likely some real medicare abuse unlike voter fraud, but it's still largely a boogyman used by the tea-publicans.
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02:27 AM on 08/31/2012
tell me something I don't already know
12:13 AM on 08/31/2012
And you all thought that Obamacare was going to stop the oceans from rising.
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Lib 4 Ever
people over greed
12:19 AM on 08/31/2012
....the Affordable Care Act isn't fully implemented until 2014 Bubba......
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Mark Helfgott
10:43 PM on 08/30/2012
They have national health care and we don't.
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04:11 AM on 08/31/2012
Exactly! And the percentage of their GDP spent on heathcare is equal to what our country was spending back in the 80s, when I studied the economics of the healthcare sector in college. Geez, how come a nation like France, who arguably has the #1healthcare system in the world, is spending that percentage of their GDP here in 2012, and we've got a huge number of uninsured and under-insured families going without the most basic of care? (I don't know if that includes vaccinations for our school-age children or not. Perhaps we're at least smart enough to provide at least that minimal amount of preventive care?) How do you spell T-H-I-R-D W-O-R-L-D C-O-U-N-T-R-Y? Our system is disgraceful! (I lived in the UK, and despite people here complaining about it, I found it to be perfectly fine, and it was there when I needed it! A well-woman exam? Cost me the equivalent of $7, and that was only because I wasn't on the NHS yet. I chose my own doctor, who even made a "house call" to our flat late on a rainy Saturday night to check me out and bring medication for a nasty flu that had gone into my lungs! No complaints. Same goes for the Canadian system. My friends up there (American ex-pats) say it is terrific! The naysayers here need to expand their "research".
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Mark Helfgott
04:25 AM on 08/31/2012
Thank you Suzy-Q
10:39 PM on 08/30/2012
In France you don't have people on welfare making babies with no money and unknown fathers, ending up in gangs and killing one another. The truth hurts, thats why libs don't touch this subject. I see this almost everyday.
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fricodam
I want to be a skunk in my next life.
10:44 PM on 08/30/2012
Have ever being there? Public housings at the edge of Paris? Or you can see it from your house?
01:47 AM on 08/31/2012
You clearly know nothing about France.
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Tom Airhart
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
10:36 PM on 08/30/2012
Preventable death rates are typically lower in countries that have Affordable Health Care.
10:32 PM on 08/30/2012
Funny how the Democrats come on here and blame the Republicans because we are not #1 at something. We tried the Liberal way. You know, throwing money at it. We spend almost twice as much as any other nation per capita. Throwing more money at it is not the solution.
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Tom Airhart
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
11:04 PM on 08/30/2012
When it comes to affordable health care, you know this how?
11:10 PM on 08/30/2012
I merely threw out some facts. I don't know what the solution is. We do spend twice as much as our European counterparts. I ask you the same question?
12:27 AM on 08/31/2012
It does work when there aren't a few thousand bottom feeding conservatives screwing with the system to suck money out of it.
09:19 AM on 08/31/2012
Listen to how absurd your statement is. We spend twice as much as any other country in the world and you state that if the conservatives didn't suck money out of it the system would work. It works in other nations for half the price. Sucking money out of it is not the problem. Your partisan rhetoric isn't cutting it.
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Jim Tyson
Dyslexic and smart
09:32 PM on 08/30/2012
Funny how the rate JUMPED dramaticly after Obama's Health Care Insurance scam Started. And all it did was give the insurance companies the power to DENY, DENY, DENY till they die. And who ever invested in the Insurance companies gets rich, wander who invested after the MANDITORY inserance happened?
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stlbrz
10:06 PM on 08/30/2012
Drain bramage? Obviously.
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Jim Tyson
Dyslexic and smart
12:15 AM on 08/31/2012
Yes if you vote of Obama and company you have to have brain injuries.
10:18 PM on 08/30/2012
The ACA makes it so Insurance can not deny you coverage for a preexisting condition. It eliminates lifetime caps on coverage. It prevents insurers from dropping you if you actually get sick. It also makes them spend a higher percentage of the premiums they collect on actually providing healthcare. Only in GOP land does that equate into giving insurance companies more power to deny coverage.
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Jim Tyson
Dyslexic and smart
12:15 AM on 08/31/2012
You have not heard a Doctor tell an 86 Y.O. man he did not need a procedure do to his "quality" of life would not be good if he had a procedure. THe fact he was/is 86 means he is not intitaled to health care? That is what Obama care means to the elderly. They have to pay for insurance but are denied health care paid for because it is not in the "view" of Obama for the greater good. ACA was JUST a ploy tolook good like the Nazi Healthcare reform in 1920's and '30's, For the greater good these people need less care. Things like that are why the stats read preventable health issues are NOT treated and 502 people a week in 2010 died. An uncaring bill to sell insurance but NOT provide care to elderly or disabled "For the greater good". That is what the Nazis said in 1936 whan it used health care reform to NOT let Jews and others have rights. Like Obama and company want to deny paid for health care to elderly and others they deem unworth health care.
09:12 PM on 08/30/2012
Although this article failed to include the study's comparisons based on gender, the figures in the study for male Americans were much worse than for female Americans. In no small part, the gender gap in life expectancy (with male Americans dying on average at least five years earlier than their female counterparts) is attributable to the institutional and governmental neglect of men's health. For example: while there are offices on women's health at the CDC, NIH, the FDA and DHHS, there is no office on men's health anywhere in the federal government; while there is the federally run Wisewoman program to promote the health and protect the lives of uninsured female Americans, there is no corresponding program for male Americans; while there is a Women's Bureau at the U.S. Department of Labor to help promote safe working environments for women, there is no corresponding Men's Bureau; while Obamacare provides for an annual "well woman" physical exam for female Americans, Obamacare provides nothing similar for male Americans; and, while the Obama White House obligingly and conspicuously glowed pink in observance of Breast Cancer Awareness Month, it refused to glow blue in observance of Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. No question about it: flagrant de jure sex discrimination in the U.S. is costing male Americans there lives and contributing to the growing gender gap (chasm is the more apt word) in life expectancy.
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Amie Nogrady
you say witch like it's a bad thing
03:42 AM on 08/31/2012
Oh for the love of- the average age of diagnosis for a man with prostate cancer is 70 and is often much older than that. The average age of diagnosis for a woman with breast cancer is 60, however, breast cancer in a younger woman is harder to diagnose and tends to be far more aggressive. Detection numbers for both types of cancer are equal-however the death rates are not-. Oh and your last line is false: death rates for breast cancer are higher than that of prostate cancer by about 10,000.
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Ronald Zelman
Independent But Not Alone!
08:11 PM on 08/30/2012
Does that include blacks killing blacks in south L.A. and south Chicago?
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stlbrz
10:10 PM on 08/30/2012
It includes bigoted crackers such as yourself.
10:17 PM on 08/30/2012
Because the statement was incorrect, right? Truth hurts sometimes. Doesn't make it a biggoted statement.