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02:06 PM on 09/16/2012
Dear Sandra Fluke,
Where I live you can get free contraceptives going to the health dept. I don't know what all your fuss is about or if it's just to get attention. The women in the United States of America have it better than any country in the world!! WE ARE FREE!!!! We are not a piece of property than can be abused or discarded!!! We probably have more privilege than most men! I don't need a woman like you speaking for me!!! I have worked all my life and carried healthcare on my entire family without any help from the government!!! That is a responsibility of people in this country unless you are a child, elderly, or handicapped!! As the old song goes "Get a haircut and Get a REAL JOB!!!! It is not up to the government to pay my way. I seen you as nothing more than a boil on the butt of the female gender!!
02:16 PM on 09/16/2012
Dear Subconscious: I agree with your fans.
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LuxorLava
02:20 PM on 09/16/2012
You realize the "free" contraceptives at the health department are paid by taxpayer dollars? And what Sandra is talking about are women who PAY for their insurance premiums to have contraceptives be covered under those premiums they PAY for!!! So you would rather have people freeload off taxpayers than to have insurance cover medication they should be covering anyways!?! Did you even read the article?
02:38 PM on 09/16/2012
Yes I did!!!  Our taxpayer dollars pay for EVERYBODY'S EVERYTHING!  So what is the difference.  If you want free pills...go get them. That's what the Obama healthcare wants anyway! Right???
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02:49 PM on 09/16/2012
"Did you even read the article?"

Few of them do. They're merely parroting what they've heard repeatedly from Rush and FOX as if it makes sense.
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huzon furst
What's it all about, Alfie?
02:02 PM on 09/16/2012
This nations' problems are harder than the eighth grade Mr. Walsh. You should listen very carefully to what Miss Fluke has said and perhaps thank her for being so caring and thoughtful..............Aw what the hell am I saying? You are working on consignment for someone who tells you what to say and I am just stunned......STUNNED...... that you can be elected to serve in public office. And this is the year 2012. Oh my......
02:01 PM on 09/16/2012
Ms Fluke just spent this entire article promoting entitlements to explain why her and her generation are not the "entitlement generation". Obviously they don't teach Logic at Georgetown Law.....yes...you are really just a 30 year old child.
03:26 PM on 09/16/2012
Nice
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shankapotomus
01:50 PM on 09/16/2012
Do you want to go there Sandra?
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01:45 PM on 09/16/2012
What a rotten lawyer this woman will be. She cannot even figure out how to get someone else to pay for her birth control or how to pay for it herself. She is literally making a federal case out of her birth control. Good Lord.
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LuxorLava
01:58 PM on 09/16/2012
What about insurance premiums do you not understand?
02:09 PM on 09/16/2012
What about paying your way don't you understand? What do you not understand about alternatives, such as Walmart or Target?
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Robert Secrist
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02:13 PM on 09/16/2012
You can't read. She'll make a fine lawyer. She isn't talking about HER birth control. Go back to the post and try again.
03:01 PM on 09/16/2012
Very redundant!
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
01:38 PM on 09/16/2012
What I don't get is that women want private insurance to cover contraception, which I have no problem with, but also want the government to ban insurance companies from making women pay more despite the added expense.
01:05 PM on 09/16/2012
Why should I lose my Right To Choose so that no one Has a Right To Choose? When I renew my policy, I choose from a menu of options. I like my Right To Choose, don't you?
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12:53 PM on 09/16/2012
"They ensure that all American women can control the timing of when they start a family, not just more privileged women. "

So, if it's an issue about "control", what about abstinence? Condoms? Wouldn't that also attack the STD's that are running rampant amongst our youth?
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LuxorLava
01:02 PM on 09/16/2012
Believing that will work or that it is remotely practical in the real world does not show control of higher reasoning skills.
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1) Feed the poor and hungry; 2) education for all!
01:36 PM on 09/16/2012
Tell that to their husbands, many of whom will not go along with condoms or abstinence.
03:28 PM on 09/16/2012
Your joking, right?
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10:43 AM on 09/17/2012
Oh, well. Get a divorce, or buy birth control on the sly.
11:50 AM on 09/16/2012
Sandra, this is about religious freedom not about access to birth control. I'm a fiscal conservative. I've grown up around social conservatives of all varieties. Only an extremely small handful (we're talking literal Quiverfull members here) have a problem with birth control. Nobody wants to go back to the days when a fertile couple could expect to have a dozen kids.

I'm 27, a part of your generation. While I agree that we sometimes act entitled, so do older generations. It would be nice if it was easier to afford high quality birth control. That said, it's not a right. When I was 19 in college, my boyfriend and I saved the 400 dollars necessary for me to get an IUD. We had two condoms break and I hated using the morning after pill. My point is: I "get" that birth control is expensive. That said, we as poor undergrads were able to come up with the money. Most college students find a way. Maybe very low income people need a hand out/up on this, but most could figure it out if they wanted to.
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12:41 PM on 09/16/2012
Your religious beliefs do not have a right to tell me how I can control my body. If I pay insurance, I am entitled to birth control just as you are entitled to Viagra.

Just because you and your boyfriend managed to scrape together enough for birth control doesn't mean everyone can. It's like trying to explain the current oppressiveness of student loan debt to someone who went to college 50 year ago, when costs were very low. They just don't understand why it costs so much nor why anyone would need to get a loan to get a degree.

The right is all about the fetus, but as soon as the child is born it's "You can't feed your kid? Well, you should have thought of that before you got pregnant."

Conservatives are the most "entitled" thinking people I've ever met. They think they're entitled and at the same time want to deny the very same to others. In fact, they want their entitlements on the backs of those that can least afford them. Like Rmoney's and rAyn's plans to give the 1%ers tax cuts at the expense of the middle and lower classes, on the backs of children and the elderly.

It's probably why insurance covers Viagra and no birth control. That is not equitable. It is all part of the misogynist, controlling behavior or the wealthy, white, Christian men controlling the Repub1%can't party. It is part of suppressing women, making them second class citizens.
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LuxorLava
01:08 PM on 09/16/2012
You are okay with insurance companies paying for viagra a medication they do not actually need but not for a medication women legitimately need for numerous medical issues?
11:38 AM on 09/16/2012
"[Policies] ensure that all American women can control the timing of when they start a family"

...because americans are unable to control this without government intervention?
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Noah Cross
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01:48 PM on 09/16/2012
Where was she talking about government intervention?
10:48 AM on 09/17/2012
Forcing elective expenses to be covered as part of insurance would require government intervention, because insurance isn't for elective expenses.  
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BigWillyG
02:46 PM on 09/16/2012
She thinks the government needs to be our nanny. Surprised she hasn't lobbied for the government to burp up or make sure we eat out veggies.
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Jenell Scherbel
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06:41 AM on 09/17/2012
From the other side of the aisle, it looks very much like religious conservatives, whose views are beingused by the GOP quite cynically in order to obtain votes to continue their global recession-producing programs of deregulation and tax breaks for the uber-rich, would like to control quite a few things that used to be considered private between a woman and her family and/or physician. Who's the nanny now?
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11:35 AM on 09/16/2012
Entitlement generation? Those of us who have worked for 30 or more years and paid into social security are not asking for a hand out. We ARE entitled to the money we invested in the pension system set up for us by the US Government. Those who are not entitled are the sponges that collect
without ever paying their dues. Millions of Americans are now collecting social security disability without ever paying a dime into the system. Moreover the social security system would be fully funded had not the US Government treated it as a blank check for every bill they had. They owe us 2.6 trillion that they took from social security
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11:34 AM on 09/16/2012
There certainly a lot of folks commenting here who either don't read or totally lack reading comprehension skills. You stand strong and proud Ms. Fluke, you are a shining example for this generation of women and make us women who have been fighting for our rights for years proud. To those of you directing ugli.ness towards this strong young woman, it's obvious you are threatened by her and come from old school who feel a woman's place is in the home. Your attempts to convince others that Ms. Fluke is standing up like this so she and others can have free b/c is beyond absurd. You are the same bunch of backwards thinking bi.gots who wanted to keep black people in "their places". You, for the most part, are ig.nor.ant and threatened by anyone you perceive to be more intelligent than you. You are on the wrong side of history and are just a mean spirited bunch who resent anyone who reaches further than you could ever dream of. You are the ones content to live to your lives the same as your parents before you, never having the gumption to reach for the stars...
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AlonzoQuijana
11:04 AM on 09/16/2012
I have no problem with birth control pills being used to treat illness, but I do understand that religious groups may not want to pay for BC and contraception. I'm also not enthused about having to pay for Ms. Fluke's lifestyle choices. If she wants birth control pills, then she can go to Wal-Mart and get a 30-day supply for $10. She is an affluent, well educated woman. I'm sure she can figure it out.
11:27 AM on 09/16/2012
Apparently she can't.
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11:50 AM on 09/16/2012
But what are birth control pills after all? They are hormones, usually but not always somewhat modified from their natural form. So if she needs a hormone pill to treat ovarian cysts, why is it even being called "birth control at all"?

An institution that objects to using hormones as birth control does NOT object to using the same hormones even the same dosages of them as medical treatment for conditions such as ovarian cysts.

As for what you can by at Walmart for $10, enough people have already pointed out in HuffPost: not every woman can use the cheap $10 formulation. Many suffer too many side-effects, they need to use a different formulation. That might cost much more.
03:16 AM on 09/17/2012
Also, the hormones in the pill will prevent pregnancy whether it's used for that purpose or to cure medical problems. So it's de facto birth control -- this puts the institution in a bind, because they don't want to provide BC, but allowing it for medical issues will also provide contraception for the ill woman. So even medical use must be considered immoral.

Does anyone actually remember what the Pope decreed about birth control? Because I'm pretty sure he said it was immoral for Catholics to use it. I'm trying to figure out how letting someone else -- not a Catholic -- use it becomes a sin.
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Jenell Scherbel
Communication matters
06:52 AM on 09/17/2012
Another non-reader of the article, I presume. It was not about her birth control or about her at all, but about another person for whom she acted as an advocate in good lawyer-advocate fashion.

Although students paid for their own insurance, directly, and not through the institution, the institution still did in fact object to medical prescriptions for these same hormones for non-birth control uses.

Differences in dosage and actual type of hormone may also have varied from birth control versions, as they do when, for example, elderly women are prescribed estrogen for heart disease.

The issue was whether or not they were available at all, despite their being prescribed medically. I don't think you can get these hormones over-the-counter at Walmart or anywhere else.

Go back and re-read before commenting further. Huff Post comments prefer informed, intelligent commentary.
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10:53 AM on 09/16/2012
I am all for freedom of choices, all for abortion, all for sex (good sex), etc... BUT "entitlement" or rather "too much" entitlement, along with too much religion, is what is likely to destroy part of what the USA has been built on...

This nation has been built on ability for everyone to create his/her chance, her/his career, her/his life. Entitlements and safety nets, by definition, create an insurance against going too low. But to do so it requires redistribution meaning it also prevent you to go too high.

I sincerely think that, along with the focus on religion (which basically recreate a class of servants like in the middle ages), redistribution and safety nets (for the avoidance of doubts, this include acceptance of illegal immigrants) are also partially destroying the spirit of entrepreneurship, the "walk-or-die" mentality that created this country.

And this change is what will definitely move the world power towards China first and then India over the next 50 years.

Let's summarize: I am all for safety net at my individual level because I would definitely benefit from it but intellectually, I cannot but realize that this is bad for the country as a whole.

BUT, also to be clear, in order for a country without too much safety net to work, to foster entrepreneurship and innovation, there is also a requirement to rebalance chances at each generations, which means people cannot just be wealthy because their parents were...
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Jenell Scherbel
Communication matters
07:12 AM on 09/17/2012
You sound confused. Too much Rush or Fox News? Which is it--safety nets are good or safety nets are bad?

How exactly is having a safety net "bad for the country"? Because they destroy the "spirit of entrepreneurship"?

It's my understanding that countries with good safety nets are prospering, since safety nets help ensure that people are able to work and be productive in good times, or allow retraining as needed by shifts in the economy, thus providing more flexibility in the economy to deal with changes and difficult periods like the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, from which we are still reeling.

Good examples of such mixed economies, or economies with both entrepreneurship and safety nets (of which we are the least safety-net prone, but still of this type) are the Scandinavian countries as well as England, France, Germany, and our neighbor, Canada, all of which seem to be doing a bit better than we are at the moment.

So, again, how is it that safety nets are actually bad for an economy of this mixed type?

I know about communist countries. I taught English in China before their economic reform. Yes, people who worked in state-run stores were deadly bored by their jobs and not very customer-oriented. They, too, learned the lessons of a mixed economy--that it is well for the economy to have both entrepreneurial opportunities and incentives, and also to have a safety net.
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jessjesskk
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01:52 PM on 09/17/2012
My conclusion is that safety nets are good for the individuals but probably not for the advancement of society as a whole... My whole point is to say that, for society as a whole, the "ability" to lose everything if things do not go well is a powerful but relentless force that push humans to give the best of them.Safety nets are obviously what help individuals to live better lives. I am just conscious of the impact they have on a society as a whole in terms of incentives, conscious or unconscious
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jessjesskk
Benevolent Zombie Power
02:55 PM on 09/17/2012
and for the sake of avoiding any doubts, Limbaugh and Fox News make me alternatively laugh from stupidity or cry when I think about the number of people that believe them...
I sincerely think that life is not in black or white... it's not because you are for economic freedom that you are a tea party follower. It's not because you are for abortion that you are for everything that the dems want to do economically... and to add a further layer and be clearer, again there are two levels of analysis between what's good for the individual and what's good for society...
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Jenell Scherbel
Communication matters
07:12 AM on 09/17/2012
I can't make out exactly what you mean by immigrants--they are the very epitome of "the spirit of entrepreneurship" and, throughout the history of the U.S., immigrants have provided a ready and willing pool of labor at the lowest end of the economy in jobs no one else wants--for example, working in meat packing plants or doing the back-breaking migrant labor which brings you your fresh fruits and vegetables.

Despite immigrant labor's net overall contribution to the economy in real $$, they are not eligible for most types of social services, so you can't mean that.
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Thaddeus Jude
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10:51 AM on 09/16/2012
Oh, no, a lot of people your age truly are the entitlement generation. Politicians don't know you or your history, but they are right in saying that in comparing your generation to previous ones. Luckily, there are people that stand out from the crowd and make the world better.