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06:38 PM on 04/19/2009
"Why has the idea of sensible gun control legislation become so politically radioactive?" Because our guns are the only things between us and a Fascist police state.
07:06 PM on 04/19/2009
So if I understand your reasoning, Americans must tolerate thousands of murders every year with guns because someone, someday, could establish a police state? Sounds a little -- dare I say it -- paranoid? Use the ballot and brains, not the bullet, to improve government. It is YOUR government, after all. Why are you so afraid of your own fellow citizens. If you have faith in America you need to show a little more faith in its citizens.
07:12 PM on 04/19/2009
Canadian--disarming the lawabiding only empowers the criminally minded
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07:17 PM on 04/19/2009
Right on jacque!
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07:11 PM on 04/19/2009
What color is the sky...in your world? Let me ask you something else, how many facist uprisings have we had (here in the US, real world) vesus kids slaughtered in their classrooms?
07:35 PM on 04/19/2009
Schools are gun free zones--how about going to the Israeli model where teachers and staff are trained with firearms and are expected to be first responders?
06:31 PM on 04/19/2009
5 PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND
37 IN SWEDEN
56 IN AUSTRALIA
73 IN ENGLAND AND WALES
184 IN CANADA
AND 11, 344 IN THE UNITED STATES

What this means is that we've done an incredibly poor job of dealing with poverty, crime, and despair. The great social programs have been a total failure and community leaders in high-crime areas have failed in their obligation to demand community responsibility, but rather have blamed everyone else for the ills that befall them. Throwing more money at the problem won't change anything and neither will banning guns. It's time for some responsibility!
06:51 PM on 04/19/2009
Well said Chuckie
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kevinbaja
politicians hate uninsured peasants....
08:12 PM on 04/19/2009
how about the outlawing of a LEGAL "substance" that is responsible for over 40,000 deaths per year (according to a 2005 report/essay in msnbc . . . . http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ ) due to IT'S abuse . . . .yet NONE of the gun banning side wish to tackle ? ? ?
start the band wagon mr. chuckie2 . . .

( b.t.w.........it's DRINKING AND DRIVING .......)
06:15 PM on 04/19/2009
I am not a gun advocate, and i do not own a gun, BUT

Guns dont kill people.. People kill people.

As with everything else, the key here is EDUCATION.... Not control.
06:38 PM on 04/19/2009
I think you are right about education on the facts. Unfortunately there are too many politicians who are misleading Americans to beleive that the cause is guns.......and assualt weapons at that. There is a very very very small % of gun crimes comitted with those weapons.
06:42 PM on 04/19/2009
People with guns kill people.
06:54 PM on 04/19/2009
Criminals do but not law abiding citizens. Do you think that if a person owns a gun it magically makes them into a criminal? Let's get real and look at reality as it is instead of what liberals want you to think. Be free minded and think freely on your own. You CAN do it.
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06:10 PM on 04/19/2009
It's radioactive even with all the senseless killing committed by people with registered guns, because an African American man made the statement he's going to " look into" putting restrictions on gun sells. The AA President could say he wants to work on finding cures to save lives and they'd be a backlash. Oh yeah, he did that with the stem cells and was attacked non stop.
11:12 PM on 04/19/2009
So now I'm a racist for wanting to preserve my 2nd amendment rights?
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06:08 PM on 04/19/2009
Rednecks killed while trying to video tornados, 120,000

That has nothing to do with wackos having easy access to weapons that were designed exclusively to kill as many people as quickly as possible.
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06:04 PM on 04/19/2009
U.S. citizens killed on our roads in the last four years: >160,000

How many intentional?
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06:10 PM on 04/19/2009
probably the vast majority of them as almost all vehicle crashes were caused by intentional actions by the driver.

But intentions are meaningless. Dead is dead.
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06:25 PM on 04/19/2009
Surely by "intentional" you mean bad driving. Very few people expressly set out to be involved in a car accident.
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07:13 PM on 04/19/2009
Maybe this guy does...
05:56 PM on 04/19/2009
There are those among us who harbor a recurring fantasy that federal officers are going to come to your door, kick it in and demand all of your weapons; whereupon you reach beneath your recliner or behind your sofa, grab your automatic weapons that are velcroed in place and loaded with the safety off and proceed to waste those go dless com mies who wouldn't know the smell of freedom if you blew it into their faces. After leaving the crimson carna ge in your wake, you reload and burst out the front door in a full-fledged effort to liberate your neighborhood and, following that, reclaiming America in the name of the Founding Fathers of this once free nation.

This lunacy has to end...
06:03 PM on 04/19/2009
Sorry--you have been drinking WAYYYY too much BC koolaid
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06:05 PM on 04/19/2009
Seek help.
05:49 PM on 04/19/2009
I think we need to start building a list of the top 10 things that kill people in the US. Tthis will be a good exercise for all of us. If we all come together and do a real good job building a really comprehensive list, we may be able to save countless lives and prevent immeasurable suffering. We're all for that, right?

OK, I'll get us started...

1. Cars - We need to stop people from driving cars and convert entirely to walking and riding very slow public light rail services. Sorry, bicycles too.

2. Poisons - We simply can't allow people to have these dangerous materials since they may intentionally or accidentally poison someone. This includes most cleaning supplies and, sorry, some foods.

3. Drowning - Pools, rivers, ponds, and lakes must be emptied or fenced off. It's well past time we stopped all means of murder by water. Oh, bath tubs and sinks too.

4. Matches and combustibles - I know this means no more late evening campfires, but wouldn't we feel bad if we didn't and one more person was burned to death? Oops, wood houses.

So, it's now up to you. Put on your thinking cap and see what you can come up with. Lets all work together to make this a better and safer country!
06:03 PM on 04/19/2009
I could add right-wing extre mists that attend McCa in and Pa lin rallies that shout out loud "Ki ll him!!"...

but I won't....
06:30 PM on 04/19/2009
Elk Grove doesn't get news?It's well established that a local
reporter made up this statement and story. Nice try,tho'.
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06:05 PM on 04/19/2009
I am all for requiring that all homes have a proper HAZMAT/Flammable Materials locker and that they post the MSDS near the primary phone.
06:15 PM on 04/19/2009
Ha I agree
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06:47 PM on 04/19/2009
But then, someone is going to accuse you of infringing on their Second Amendment rights because they can't afford the locker.
05:46 PM on 04/19/2009
I'm for more gun control, stricter regulations, licenses to handle guns and banning automatic weapons. It should be harder to get a gun than getting a driver's license and with a driver's license you must have insurance.
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05:54 PM on 04/19/2009
Full-auto firearms are already extremely tightly controlled. You cannot simply walk into a store and buy them.

our firearms regulations have been made progressively more strict for the last 75 years. We used to be able to buy firearms through the mail from Sears & Roebuck. Yet we still have a violence problem. Clearly attacking the tool is not the answer.

Driving is a privilege, not a right. You only need a license and insurance to drive on public roads. That is analagous to concealed carry, for which (in most states) you have to attend traing and get a permit.
06:00 PM on 04/19/2009
You can acquire ALL sorts of arms weaponry from the travelling gun shows with nary a question. No problem getting firearms in Virginia (Virginia is for lovers)...
06:25 PM on 04/19/2009
"Full-auto firearms are already extremely tightly controlled. You cannot simply walk into a store and buy them."

But you can easliy by an AR15 and convert it to fully automatic. The information on how to do so is easy to find on the internet.
06:06 PM on 04/19/2009
I agree. I don't think banning guns is the answer. I think guns and ammo should be taxed heavily and I think that gun owners should be required to take military training, pass a test and get a license for each gun.

All gun sales should go into a computer database. All sales of guns, including private sales and sales at gun shows should include background checks and transfer of documents.

If gun ownership was as regulated at least as much as car ownership, there would be fewer guns and less crime. Certainly, there would be fewer instances of people going "postal" and killing their fellow students or co-workers.
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06:24 PM on 04/19/2009
Good ideas, Muppet.
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06:25 PM on 04/19/2009
"I think guns and ammo should be taxed heavily"

There is already an extra 10 to 11% tax on firearms and ammo at the point of sale, plus a making tax paid by the manufacturer.

However, if you tax them enough so as to be prohibitive to buy, then you are going to run into the same 2nd Amendment issues as bans do.

"I think that gun owners should be required to take military training, pass a test and get a license for each gun."

Apply those same rules to all you other rights as well. It is called "prior restraint" and is frowned upon by the USSC.

"All gun sales should go into a computer database. All sales of guns, including private sales and sales at gun shows should include background checks and transfer of documents."

Registration has been tried by others and has almost always been an complete failure. In fact, the shooting in NY used his registered firearms.

Car ownership is not a right. Most of the rules for cars only apply on public roads. That makes those rules analagous to concealed carry.
05:29 PM on 04/19/2009
Deaths in attack on New York's World Trade Towers on 9/11: 3,000
Deaths of our soldiers in Iraq: 4,272 (4/09)
Coalition military fatalities in Afghanistan: 1,133
U.S. soldiers wounded, maimed, disabled in the Iraq War: 24,912
U.S. citizens killed by guns in the last four years: 121,000
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05:56 PM on 04/19/2009
U.S. citizens killed on our roads in the last four years: >160,000
05:57 PM on 04/19/2009
first--do you support keeping the people committing this violence in prison for a good long time? Also how many of those gun deaths were suicides and how many were criminal on criminal?
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06:26 PM on 04/19/2009
Define "criminal" when it comes to these mass murders that massacre our kids in their classrooms and our friends at work, are they "hardened criminals" or just "wacked out, paranoid, losers" that get pushed to the edge, open up the "home arsenal" and start blasting the first people they see? Your answer, "Our thoughts and prayers" - and do squat.

Our nightmare will never end as long as ANY nut case has easy access to guns in this country that were designed exclusively to kill as many people as quickly as possible.
And as much as the NRA and their parriots want to deny it anyone that obstructs common-sense gun laws, that work in all other industrialized nations, is enabling these tragic events to happen. If you are in the NRA or support the NRA you have blood on your hands.
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06:30 PM on 04/19/2009
So homicide is OK if the victim is a criminal?

What about a kid who gets caught in the crossfire during a gang shootout - do you exclude them, too?
05:26 PM on 04/19/2009
Thank you Arianna.
The answer is yes.
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05:25 PM on 04/19/2009
A Simple Question:

If more guns is the answer… with far more guns than any other country, why isn’t America the safest country in the world?

What the rest of the world said after the Virginia Tech massacre:

Europe

"Why, we ask, do Americans continue to tolerate gun laws and a culture that seems to condemn thousands of innocents to death every year, when presumably, tougher restrictions, such as those in force in European countries, could at least reduce the number?"

—Mangus Linklater, The Times of London columnist
"There's only one real ‘freedom' in America—the freedom to kill one another… if guns weren't so readily available in the ‘land of the free,' this tragedy might never have happened."

—The Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
"In a country where ‘the right to bear arms' is written into the Constitution and where there are an estimated 192 million firearms, the problem isn't simply one of a particular interest group. After the tragedy, voices rose up to deplore the fact that professors and students are not authorized to arm themselves, since one of them could have neutralized the killer. With that kind of reasoning, America is not close to overcoming its violence."

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05:37 PM on 04/19/2009
"why isn"t America the safest country in the world?"

Because we glorify violence, our moral/ethical standards are quite diverse, education, and economics.
05:25 PM on 04/19/2009
What logical person could possibly look at these numbers and debate the legality of guns:

IN 2004, GUNS MURDERED:

5 PEOPLE IN NEW ZEALAND
37 IN SWEDEN
56 IN AUSTRALIA
73 IN ENGLAND AND WALES
184 IN CANADA
AND 11, 344 IN THE UNITED STATES

(Statistics from http://www.bradycampaign.org/)

http://tusense.com
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05:35 PM on 04/19/2009
Gun did not murder anyone.

brady is not exactly an unbiased source.

Comparing cultures is filled with other factors which cannot be controlled for.
05:38 PM on 04/19/2009
2 points--the 2nd amendment prohibits the gunbans that the BC supports and the BC IS NOT a credible or unbiased source
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05:25 PM on 04/19/2009
(cont)

Australia
"Eleven years ago we took action to limit the availability of guns, and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country."

—Australian Prime Minister John Howard, expressing sympathy for the victims' families and referring to the 1996 shooting spree by a man with a semi-automatic rifle who killed 35 people in Port Arthur, on the island of Tasmania. Australia banned most types of semi-automatic weapons after the incident.
05:16 PM on 04/19/2009
Here's a thought for the NRA
Any time a crime is committed using a gun. The NRA should provide legal counsel to the perpetrator. That way they could hourly defend the right to bear arms in court and show the American people "just how necessary guns are to civilized society", Probably the best use of their well-armed coffer$/
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05:24 PM on 04/19/2009
"Here's a thought for the NRA
Any time a crime is committed using a gun. The NRA should provide legal counsel to the perpetrator."

Why? The NRA is very much against the use of firearms in crime and supports putting such criminals in jail. Unlike the Brady Camp who tries too keep them out of jail.
05:26 PM on 04/19/2009
I was wondering if you think that if we get rid of all the guns that crime would go away? If we do have less guns what will law abiding citizens do for hunting and shooting sports.....not to mention protecting their family and property from criminal. Another thing people should look into is why is gun crimes rates lower in states that have concealed weapon permits.
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05:48 PM on 04/19/2009
Where's the sport in shooting deer with machine guns?
05:58 PM on 04/19/2009
No one is saying that banning guns would make crime go away. Solutions don't have to be absolute to make sense. Have you ever heard of the expression, "The perfect is the enemy of the good"? Murder will always be with us. Getting rid of most of the weapons that make murder easy -- 68% of murders (FBI stats) are with guns -- would go a long way.
I think you need to back up this claim about lower crime rates in "conceal" states. Where did you get that?