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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Liberal and Proud of It
07:31 PM on 09/17/2012
30,000 guns deaths in America is not acceptable.

Please see:

http://blog.bradycampaign.org/?p=3783
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
10:11 PM on 09/17/2012
The Brady Center is known to rely upon demonstrably dishonest and misleading claims in their advocacy for unreasonable restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership.
12:16 AM on 09/18/2012
Right on! ONLY the NRA can be counted on for the truth. All lobbyists are truthful.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/supcourt/stories/courtguns051095.htm

Thank God Scalia saved the day with Heller.

F&F!

All Praise the Sacred Gun. Make a Firearms CEO Smile: Buy a Gun Today!
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DeclineToState
Cogito, ergo armatum
10:27 PM on 09/17/2012
Most of them are suicides. Better mental health treatment would do more to reduce "gun deaths" than all of the Brady Campaign's proposals put together.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
zanderofnola
07:29 PM on 09/17/2012
It is truly sad that the people who want to further regulate or outright ban firearms have no knowledge of firearms. None of them know what an "assault rifle" is and none of them know the difference between a clip and a magazine.
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schotts
This We'll Defend
08:43 PM on 09/17/2012
It's almost comical, huh?

F&F
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ElmCreekSmith
I hunt the things that go bump in the night.
09:32 PM on 09/17/2012
I think it's sad. Their educations were severely neglected.

ECS
01:16 AM on 09/18/2012
Yeah, it is. Everyone is Aurora is cracking up with laughter. Just like they did at VaTech.
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swatcapt
09:38 AM on 09/30/2012
or what that "shoulder thing that up" really is
06:26 PM on 09/17/2012
I'm progressive and I believe in the 2nd amendment. What a quandary I put myself in.
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schotts
This We'll Defend
06:29 PM on 09/17/2012
Not really. You need to encourage your fellow progressives why you believe in it.
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grimace71
Dichotomies suck.
07:07 PM on 09/17/2012
Not exactly. Perhaps the quandary you find yourself in is the war of words and labels that exists in our society today. Certainly, one can be liberal and libertarian and conservative all at the same time. But by painting you into a corner, that a progressive or a liberal can only think "this way" or "that way" ... then propaganda reigns.

Be true to yourself...try not to think of yourself as a progressive, but rather someone that believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
06:22 PM on 09/17/2012
Aww, poor liberal media.

Quick Poll
Gun Control Laws In the United States Should Be:

More strict. 12.6%

Less strict. 71.39%

Remain the same. 16.01%

Quick Poll
Do You Favor A Ban On High-Capacity Magazines And Assault Rifles?

Yes, ban both. 12.74%

Only a ban high capacity magazines, not assault rifles.1.63%

Only a ban assault rifles, not high-capacity magazines. 1.08%

No, neither should be banned. 84.55%

You can't even win a poll on your home turf!
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
swatcapt
09:40 AM on 09/30/2012
i know right. I took the poll and the funny thing was i all reay what the answers were going to be.
06:13 PM on 09/17/2012
""But if you ask a more precise question, such as one dealing with assault weapons or high-capacity magazines, then they think more critically.""

And by more critically you of course mean more emotionally, by relying on loaded terminology and pop-culture education.

And millions of 'educated complex thinkers' will lap it up as if it was the juice of fruit of the Tree of Knowledge itself.

Pathetic.
06:02 PM on 09/17/2012
"Although Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) has renewed his push for gun safety legislation"

He renewed no such push. He renewed a push for illegal, unpopular, debunked, unconstitutional, and regressive liberal wishlist laws.
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DeclineToState
Cogito, ergo armatum
10:22 PM on 09/17/2012
That isn't the first time a HuffPo reporter has tried to rebrand gun control legislation as "gun safety legislation". Those laws have nothing to do with the safe and proper operation of firearms. That's like trying to call proposals to limit abortion rights as "abortion safety legislation". It's transparent, dishonest, and biased. No one is falling for it.
10:52 PM on 09/17/2012
Utterly correct, except "No one is falling for it."

The Democrat party-line echo chamber is eating it up.  Funny how those most likely to complain about "going back" are so blatantly willing to reproduce the single greatest mistake of American left wing politics.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
QuietProfessional
Recovering Jedi
05:29 PM on 09/17/2012
"But if you ask a more precise question, such as one dealing with assault weapons or high-capacity magazines, then they think more critically."

There's nothing "precise" about those questions unless they very precisely define what is meant by an "assault weapon" and a "high-capacity magazine". Both are, pardon the pun, loaded terms. A true assault weapon is semi-automatic only--many people do not know that or may not know what the pollster had in mind when using the term "assault weapon". "High-capacity magazine" is a misnomer: there are standard-capacity magazines and there are low-capacity or reduced-capacity magazines. A standard-capacity magazine for the AR-15, for example, typically holds 30 rounds. 20-round magazines are also common. Neither are "high-capacity" magazines.
05:09 PM on 09/17/2012
Crystal methamphetamine is banned, it is illegal to possess and manufacture it under any circumstances, yet I can go to any city in the United States and acquire it with little trouble if I were so inclined… bans do not work to stop a criminal from being a criminal, bans will not keep criminals from obtaining firearms.
Anyone who believes that banning guns of any kind will reduce crime is naive or intellectually dishonest and willfully blind to the historical evidence to the contrary.
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Brian Bender
Moderate Independent
05:07 PM on 09/17/2012
The term “assault weapon” is a feckless game of words and a misnomer. All weapons can be used for both attack and defense. No weapon has ever been designed to be useful solely for “assault” which in civilian terms is a crime. No firearm is designed or is suitable only for violent crime. The rhetorical term “assault weapon” is being used today to mean “bad guns” in order to stigmatize them and ban them. It’s propaganda, pure and simple.
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OdinsEye
Silenced by HP. Cant be intimidated into Facebook
05:40 PM on 09/17/2012
"Assault weapon" is grammatically self-redundant.
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schotts
This We'll Defend
06:02 PM on 09/17/2012
So true...never thought of it that way.
01:20 AM on 09/18/2012
"Assault weapon" is grammatically self-redundant. Odinsfoot

Well thanks for that, Korean-Latino security guard. The families of all 12 victims and the 50+ wounded in Aurora all feel better now.
05:51 PM on 09/18/2012
"The term “assault weapon” is a feckless game of words and a misnomer." BB (gun?!)

You tell 'em Brian. A more appropriate term for the gun obsessed would be "love object."

As in, "I took my love object down to the range and cranked off 4,000 rounds as I fantasized about being a SEAL. Sure made me feel manly."

BTW, Brian, are you sure you have enough weaponry at home? Dangerous world out there, my fellow gunster funster. Buy a gun or seven this week. The firearms industry will thank you for it.

Happy shooting to you, big buddy.
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Brian Bender
Moderate Independent
05:57 PM on 09/18/2012
Feeling a little helpless are we? Will name calling lead to a repeal of the Second Amendment? We all know it won't but hey, feel free to keep trying since it give everyone a good look and the tactics of the anti Civil Rights crowd. LOL!
12:33 AM on 09/21/2012
wow you have alot of sexual projection.
05:02 PM on 09/17/2012
People in Colorado, unlike Libs, are smart enough to know criminals commit crimes, not inanimate objects a criminal chooses to use to commit those crimes. I'm sure they don't support more explosives control either for the same reason. Kudos to the intelligent people of the great state of Colorado.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Ron Booth
I Stand With Snowden
05:35 PM on 09/17/2012
BS because what you and many of those surveyed don't take into consideration is that with stricter controls there are fewer avenues though which criminals can "legally" obtain weapons which means that in those instances when a "suspect" in a crime is apprehended, even though there may not be enough evidence to convict the criminal of the "primary" offense, if the criminal happens to be in possession of an "illegally" obtained weapon then at least there is something to take the criminal off the streets for.

There's no reason whatsoever for "non-criminal" types to have their rights to gun ownership impinged, there is however a perfectly legitimate reason to have access to firearms limited considerably to those who have shown themselves to be a risk to society at large and there is NO good argument for granting them the same ready access to weapons of any sort as is guaranteed the broader law abiding society.
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Brian Bender
Moderate Independent
05:39 PM on 09/17/2012
If these criminals legally obtained these guns then how can you convict them of possession of an illegally obtained weapon? Thanks.
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05:42 PM on 09/17/2012
Ahhhh the "trickle down theory of gun control"--- Make it harder for the law abiding to obtain firearms and it will become increasingly more difficult for criminals to do so.
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04:59 PM on 09/17/2012
You have 50 states each with different Firearms Laws.......................New York City has some of the strictest Firearms Laws in the USA.................There are guns all over New York City....................They don't buy them in NYC they buy them or steal them out of state and bring them back................Unless you had a single Federal Firearms law covering all 50 states (which will never happen) these laws are meaningless......................
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OdinsEye
Silenced by HP. Cant be intimidated into Facebook
05:31 PM on 09/17/2012
"Unless you had a single Federal Firearms law covering all 50 states (which will never happen) "

I guess you are unfamiliar with the numerous federal firearm laws already on the books. You might want to start by learning about the 1934 National Firearm Act, the 1968 Gun Control Act, the 1986 Firearm Owner Protection Act, the 1993 Brady Act, and the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban. You may also want to read federal law Title 18 US Code 922.
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05:37 PM on 09/17/2012
Tell me every time you have not been able to purchase a firearm other than an automatic weapon......................................How many firearms have you been unable to purchase....................
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05:48 PM on 09/17/2012
According to 2011 ATF trace data, of the fireams which were traced by New York police, the state of New York was the source of the firearm substantially more often than any other state.
11:07 PM on 09/17/2012
Got a link for that? I want to be able to reuse it next time they run a bowel movement from Bloombag.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
CraiginPhoenix
04:51 PM on 09/17/2012
Unfortunately the NRA has won this war.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
04:53 PM on 09/17/2012
Indeed; the absence of unreasonable restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership is unfortunate.
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schotts
This We'll Defend
04:55 PM on 09/17/2012
I don't see it that way. Especially when the NRA only represents about 5% of the gun owners in the US.

No, people that believe in freedom, the Bill of Rights and keeping the government in check are doing a good job of it.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
ajm36
04:37 PM on 09/17/2012
""...maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be President of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country," Bloomberg said..."

Maybe it's time for the MAYOR of a CITY to stop telling the rest of the country how to live. Why does this guy get so much media play anyway? He should be a laughing stock for outlawing soda cups of a certain size (if you demonstrate a high degree of irrationality in one area of thought, your reasoning should always be thoroughly scrutinized); instead, his words are treated as if they are sagely wisdom from some ascetic high atop a mountain.
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05:25 PM on 09/17/2012
Since 2 x16 oz= 32oz.....how does sense does Bloomingonion have?

At City's last publicized shooting all the civilian injuries except 1 were due to the police ....
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Ron Booth
I Stand With Snowden
05:27 PM on 09/17/2012
As to; "Why does this guy get so much media play anyway?", it might have somehting to do with the fact that he is not only the mayor of the largest city in the US but of one of the largest in the entire world. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that when he came into office NYC had one of the highest rates of violent gun related crimes in the country and that under his administration that level of gun violence has dropped dramatically.

Other than that I can't think of many other reasons why those with at least half a brain might want to at least consider some of what Bloomberg has to offer, I mean heck he's only managed to succeed where many before him have suffered failure so why would we want to hear what he has to say. Right?!?!?!?
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Grumpy Man
Disappointed idealist
06:26 PM on 09/17/2012
"Maybe it has something to do with the fact that when he came into office NYC had one of the highest rates of violent gun related crimes in the country and that under his administration that level of gun violence has dropped dramatically."

Not so fast... his NYPD has been accused of cooking the books to reflect desired results. You can read about it right here on HuffPo...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/nyc-crime-rate

Bloomberg supports denying constitutional rights to people who are on secret government lists of "suspicious" persons. Due process be damned. As a supporter of any such push, he has abandoned fundamental and constitutional principals. I simply cannot respect anyone who abandons principals for politics.

There are two of my reasons for not giving a rat's patootie what Bloomie has to say. I'm sure I could come up with more if I bothered to research him more.
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foundelk
A shadow of my Mule and my self.
12:46 AM on 09/18/2012
Yeah maybe that soda pop thing was genius !!!!
04:35 PM on 09/17/2012
Assault rifles and high magazine guns have no place in society. These guns belong on the battlefields of war not on our streets. We don't want to limit our right to bear arms but such guns are only for killing in mass quantities. Everyone is so afraid gun control of any kind is going to infringe on our rights to even have weapons. That is not the case if done properly.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
04:39 PM on 09/17/2012
Assault rifles are already restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are not readily available to civilians.

What is a "high magazine gun"?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Ron Booth
I Stand With Snowden
05:18 PM on 09/17/2012
The better question is 'how many rounds does your clip need to hold to compensate for your miniscule "manhood"'??
04:41 PM on 09/17/2012
Mary, what is your definition of an assault rifle and how many rounds should a magazine be limited to and why? Once you get specific then a genuine debate can ensue. The use of the sensationalist term: "assault rifle" means different things to different people.
05:04 PM on 09/17/2012
How about 'Fully automatic weapons;' guns that don't just fire one bullet for every pull of the trigger, but continue to fire as the trigger is held. 'High Capacity Magazine' - the Aurora shooter was able to fire over 100 rounds (fully automatic weapon) without reloading...I would call that high capacity.

The gunman that shot Gabrielle Giffords and shot and killed a 10 year old girl by the name of Christina Taylor Greene just had a SEMI-autoomatic handgun...but he was carrying at least 3 extra clips. He reloaded. Do people really need the right to carry so much ammunition with them? Is the average citizen concerned about getting in a 10 minute firefight with....who? Curly Bill and Cobra Commander?

It seems like this debate, as usual is approached by and large by people who DEMAND their right to deadly weapons with the same tone that a spoiled teenage girl DEMANDS her right to a brand new pink Mustang on her sweet 16th birthday; without an inkling of respect, discipline, or concern for the fact that they are DEMANDING the right to wield death as they see fit.
05:04 PM on 09/17/2012
Keep your hunting rifles and your shotguns and your .45 sidearms for personal defense. You don't need M16s. You don't need 3 extra clips or whatever they're called for revolvers. You don't need the power to kill everyone in a city block at your unfettered disposal - at least not without a full psych evaluation, background check, 40 hours minimum weapons training, and required regular contact with local PD.

This is how the constitution reads:
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Do you know anyone that's joined the militia recently?
04:28 PM on 09/17/2012
I was fortunate enough to have escaped e communist wasteland that is Fidel Castro’s Cuba. I have seen the tyranny that can and will be visited upon the people when they allow their government to disarm them. I came to this country and gladly worked hard and paid a small fortune to attain my citizenship, and I took the study of the U. S. Constitution and the history behind it very seriously. I can sadly say that most Americans that I encounter are ill-informed regarding their constitution, their history and the incredible gift of freedom that they were born with. It is true that those who would trade essential liberties for temporary security will have neither and will deserve neither.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
04:32 PM on 09/17/2012
I am glad you made it here. You are absolutely correct about the lack of historical knowledge of most Americans. Public education. Who would have imagined it?
04:33 PM on 09/17/2012
faved and tip of the hat to you!