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12:09 PM on 10/08/2012
Hope michelle bachman and husband reads this!
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alieninthecaribbean
Trini to the bone. Global heart and soul
11:59 AM on 10/08/2012
Said it before. Will repeat it again. If these ex-gay programmes want to be taken SERIOUSLY, then provide SERIOUS proof of your claims. All they do is trot out people claiming they have been "cured" and as proof, they sa, "See, I am now married to the opposite sex!" (many of these marriages end in divorce) but under further probing, the ex-gay person admits they actually still have "urges" and they still have to "work at it" every single day. And this is after 10 sometimes 20 years of "therapy". Well, the reason they need to "work at it" EVERY SINGLE DAY for the rest of their life is because sexual orientation is INNATE. Care to prove that wrong?

Get these ex-gay "success stories" in a lab, strap them up to a polygraph, followed by a pupil dilation and penis plethysmograph measuring device. See if they actually show the same INSTANT, INVOLUNTARY response to pictures of naked women, close ups of vulvas, breasts and the smell of female pheramones and sexual odors as straight men do. See how they respond to pictures of naked men, close ups of penises, male odors.

That is the ONE behavior you CANNOT fake! And it is the ONE behavior these ex-gay programmes will NEVER test. Why? Because they do not turn gay people straight. They only coach them in how to suppress their INNATE SEXUAL ORIENTATION so they can live in the closet.
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InsightOne
11:18 PM on 10/08/2012
FORTUNATELY or unfortunately you CAN'T coach anyone to "suppress their INNATE sexual orientation. UNFORTUNATELY this "suppression" manifests itself in odd, disturbing, and unhealthy - EVEN DANGEROUS - ways!
11:54 AM on 10/08/2012
His last statement speaks volumes about how screwed up in the head he is. I met a transgender guy/gal who had breast implants & was taking estrogen tablets. And, I thought, how sad that s/he did not have any good relationship with anyone & when s/he is finished getting the operations, s/he will not be able to have children, so any relationship s/he has, s/he will have to tell them that s/he cannot have children. The last conversation we had, s/he said s/he had to stop taking the estrogen because it was killing he/r. S/he was very pretty as a girl, & s/he must have been very good looking as a man.
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tlee47ftw
01:14 PM on 10/08/2012
It is people like you that need conversion therapy.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
01:28 PM on 10/08/2012
Sexual transitioning is not some cosmetic procedure. These people are genuinely born with the brains of the opposite sex. They go through this surgery to feel whole. It is lack of understanding of this that creates problems.
11:46 AM on 10/08/2012
But Scienetoology is OK
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jgamble28
ya never know.
11:45 AM on 10/08/2012
I believe that you are born gay so these programs cannot work. I would imagine that a lot of the kids that come out of this program are confused and angry. I know I would be.
12:15 PM on 10/08/2012
I believe you are 100% right.Faned and faved
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JoltBillRandal
Semi-retired broadcast tech.
01:18 PM on 10/08/2012
I have an idea! If these programs arre anything be money makers, convert a 'STRAIT' person to 'GAY'! I'll be you can't do it any more than you can go the other way.
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InsightOne
11:22 PM on 10/08/2012
This may surprise you, but we are talking "apples and oranges here" at least when it comes to sexual behavior. If you are referring to Orientation, YOU ARE RIGHT!
11:44 AM on 10/08/2012
If the trama that is being complained about were that the "victim" was sexually assaulted in camp, ...I could understand why he would be complaining. But, apparently, whenever he was sexually assaulted by a gay somewhere that made him decide that he is gay, ....THAT he didn't have any problem with!! But, someone trying to save him from himself & the clutches of satan, ...THAT he has a problem with. We are now suffering through a moralless society that thrives on degradation!!! It's soooo sad.
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tlee47ftw
01:15 PM on 10/08/2012
People with religious beliefs like yours are the ones that need convesion therapy.
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
02:52 PM on 10/09/2012
What's sad is that A) you seem to think that we were all abused as children when that clearly isn't the case, B) you seem to think that we have any choice in the matter and C) that you support "therapy" for gay people that, according to the Geneva Convention, is globally considered to be torture. Talk about immoral and degrading.

In any case, if a little girl is abused by a man, you don't counsel HER to change her orientation, do you? You call the attacker a "pedophile" not "a straight pedophile". Child abuse is child abuse and you treat the abuse, not the orientation of the victim.
11:15 AM on 10/08/2012
An individual has a mental problem if they allow psychologists to warp his or her brain. Psychology isa religion based on revelation. It is not a science. How can a person who knows themself let a stranger tell them who they are?
02:38 PM on 10/08/2012
Don't bash the whole psyche community b/c of one form of "therapy."
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InsightOne
11:24 PM on 10/08/2012
Clearly you have never participated in COMPETENT therapy. YOU NEED IT!!!
11:14 AM on 10/08/2012
if the family & doctor feel this will help then the state has no business getting involved
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tlee47ftw
11:40 AM on 10/08/2012
So if the family and doctor feel that drinking arsenic will help the state has no business getting involved?
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aliosh
12:24 PM on 10/08/2012
Good grief....you are actually comparing this therapy to drinking arsenic?.......

Don't be such a drama queen.
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
01:32 PM on 10/08/2012
So I can become a Doctor, and convince some parents that the only way to cure their kid's acne is through acid baths, then the state can't step in? Good to know.
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Autora
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10:59 AM on 10/08/2012
I am just glad we got the bill passed at all. I did not even know about 'conversion' therapy until an LGBT rights group told me about the law on Brown's desk, and I immediately wrote to encourage him to sign it.

It's horrifying that such a 'therapy' even exists, no less that parents used to be able to legally force their children to undergo it.
12:20 PM on 10/08/2012
I learned of it during bachman's campaign.
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Autora
No micro-bio for me, thanks
12:42 PM on 10/08/2012
Ha! I suppose she was for it? But why am I even asking, dry look.
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o2bncapecod
people who tell white lies soon grow color blind.
10:49 AM on 10/08/2012
This is akin to the fad by Psych's that had people put under hypno-therapy to prove that they lived a former, previous life in another time. If doctors are allowed to, especially those who deal with the mind, continually harass and convince people (especially kids) it's nothing short of torture - especially when you have to come up with the answers they want you to come up with to prove they were right. This isn't therapy by any means.
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JoltBillRandal
Semi-retired broadcast tech.
01:28 PM on 10/08/2012
No, it is mind control, at best. The problem is often that people can't accept others who are not like themselves. Especially regarding the Sacred topic: Sex!
10:21 AM on 10/08/2012
If it is in your DNA, then you could document it. It is an imitation of what is REAL.
12:11 PM on 10/08/2012
They have actually begun studies. One such found that mothers of gay children tend to have more children than parents of straight children. They are just beginning to identify the purpose of what was previous though of as "junk DNA". There is a whole host of things yet to discover. They have identified two "dare devil" genes and have found that kids that are picky eaters are often "super tasters" and have a higher sensitivity to sour foods such as broccoli. Science is amazing. Give the greater minds time to continue unlocking the secrets of DNA and you will have the scientific validation that you seek.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
01:32 PM on 10/08/2012
If it's in your DNA, then obviously the bible isn't true and all of these christians are complaining for nothing.
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bamacab
Blessed by god;the incredible Ms. Barbra Streisand
09:19 AM on 10/08/2012
No. Outlaw all just like all medical procedures that are useless.
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JLeamer
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10:07 PM on 10/07/2012
IF being "gay" IS a medical condition, WHY haven't any of these "medical" supporters reported ANY research, scientific development or experimentation with DRUGS that would eventually "cure" it?
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
01:14 AM on 10/08/2012
They have, and those reports have been discredited and in numerous cases those who filed such reports and stood by them were expelled from medical leagues and denounced.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
01:34 PM on 10/08/2012
Because it's not a disease. Therefore it doesn't need "cured". Why haven't we cured cancer yet? Do you think they just come up with cures in a day? We still don't know everything about how the mind works. But I guarantee the medical community won't be wasting their time on this when they have real diseases to worry about.
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JLeamer
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03:22 PM on 10/08/2012
I think you misinterpreted my stance. I'm on YOUR side! I AGREE it is NOT a disease! That's why I ask WHY the people who ARE stubbornly insisting homosexuality is "Curable" (as IF it was accepted as a disease)..why THEY aren't accepting the burden of proof and/or pouring their MONEY into a chemical "cure" (like the ones that made frontal labotomies for teens obsolete when all they had were social "behavioral disorders', which simply meant they wouldn't BE the way their parents WANTED them to BE). The people who cannot/will not accept scientific evidence presented by nearly the ENTIRE International medical community are the ones that need "Curing"...they are delusional in their insistant, fearful beliefs and trying to CONTROL social behavior based on their delusions is dangerous to the very Society they CLAIM to be "protecting"...these delusional religious 'leaders', politicians who cater to their demographic and the followers (sheep) themselves cannot control the masses the way the churches of old did and it turns them into zealots.
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JLeamer
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