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11:44 AM on 10/09/2012
I remember when Alex Karras played.
He was not only a great player, but a great person as well.
This is sad news.
I hope his family finds peace.

George Vreeland Hill
11:00 AM on 10/09/2012
I always thought it a shame Karras was denied the Hall of Fame. Here's a 9-time All-Pro, a member of the NFL All-Decade Team of the '60s, a feared and ferocious defensive tackle who missed only one game to injury in his whole career. In an era of great linemen --like Lilly, Olsen, Buchanan, all Hall of Famers-- he was a standout. Also among the most famous and colorful players of his era.

Yeah, he played on bad teams (so did some other Hall of Famers). And yeah, he was suspended when he got caught up in a betting scandal -- but that was a long, long time ago. He served his penance.

A shame he'll probably make it after he's no longer around to enjoy it.
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12:08 PM on 10/09/2012
Paul Hornung was in the exact same betting scandal w/Karras but he's in the Hall of Fame. I so agree w/you that Karras belongs in the Hall too!
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01:06 PM on 10/09/2012
I know this is probably not the time nor place but do you think he was "kept out" because of the betting?

And since it's clear you're knowledgeable about the game, do you hold him as an equal to Lilly and Olsen and big Buck? Don't get me wrong, I liked him and watched him and admired him for his post football career and I'm not trying to stir anything up at all... I just don think of him in that class... maybe a rung below.

The guy not going into the Hall that is a travesty is Jerry Kramer. How do you put Forrest Gregg in (as a player) and not Kramer? No Kramer, no Packer sweep, imho.
02:00 PM on 10/09/2012
Hey, cybolt:

I think you're right.
Karras was not quite in the same class as Lilly, Olsen, and Buck. A notch, a half-notch, below. And I'm not suggesting that Karras should've gone in before those guys, or even with those guys, but I feel eventually he should've made it in. Kinda like in baseball, I wouldn't say that Zack Wheat should've gone to the HoF before or at the same time as his contemporary Ty Cobb, but he deserved to make it eventually, and he did.

As for the gambling thing, it shouldn't be the reason he's kept out -- as BlueZoo points out, Kramer was part of the same scandal and he made it in. It might just be that Karras wasn't well-liked. He could be mean and obnoxious and self-centered in his playing days. Voters in these HoF situations have very long memories. Sometimes the only way they have to punish a guy who rubbed them the wrong way is to deny them their vote. (Leo Durocher wasn't voted in until he was good and dead -- that was no accident.)

And yeah, you're sure right about Kramer. But if I ruled the world, Lombardi's Packers would get an entire wing at the Hall -- they were the making of the modern NFL.

Always a pleasure to cross your path here.
09:55 AM on 10/09/2012
I enjoyed his acting, as he was a scene stealer.
09:47 AM on 10/09/2012
Wasn't he in the movie Victor/Victoria?
09:54 AM on 10/09/2012
Yes, and he was a scene stealer.
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09:31 AM on 10/09/2012
Sad to hear.

He will live forever as Mango, the scene where he punched out the horse has to rank as one of the funniest moments in movie history.
08:53 AM on 10/09/2012
Keep your laws off my body
08:43 AM on 10/09/2012
Thank you Alex, for making so many of us so happy so many times. And for one of the great lines in the history of movies -

"Mongo only pawn in game of life."

So true.

- Jason MacBride
Lights! Camera! Action!
02:35 PM on 10/09/2012
That line summed up what life is for so many.