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09:36 PM on 10/28/2012
The fact that religion is always a central focus when dealing with the mutilation of, creepy focus on, or invasion of privacy of female genitals is for all practical purposes a singular damning condemnation of the entire institution.
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sylvabugg2
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09:32 PM on 10/28/2012
Did any of you who are condemning the Islamic community even bother to read the article? "Many Muslim scholars, however, say the authenticity of this hadith is suspect, and say it should be rejected. A growing number of Islamic scholars have condemned the practice. In Egypt, where both Muslim and Coptic Christian communities perform FGM, the country's highest Muslim leaders issued fatwas against the practice in 2007 and 2010." Or did you skip over that part just so you'd have a reason to bash religion in general?
RealistBC
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10:04 PM on 10/28/2012
So why -if mullahs have so much influence in other areas- does the barbarity continue?
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sylvabugg2
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10:23 PM on 10/28/2012
Probably because there are radical sects in that religion, just like in any other.
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Korean Kat
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10:35 PM on 10/28/2012
British feminists were condemning FGM in Africa as early as the late 1800's. How noble of the religious community to get around to condemning the practice over a century later!

I mean Islam had what 1,400 years of unchecked control over mainstream culture in northeastern Africa and managed to do exactly nothing to stop the practice and in fact did much to condone it. The truth hurts.
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sylvabugg2
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10:54 PM on 10/28/2012
What does the fact that most Islamic leaders now condemn the practice? Many religions did abhorrent things in the name of their religion. That was then, this is now.
01:35 AM on 10/29/2012
And you know this because you were around in Africa for the last 1400 years and can confirm that Islamic scholars did nothing to stop it.

In most countries in the world (including majority muslim countries), culture and tradition takes precedence over adherence to religious practices.

Why dont you just read the article: "nearly 1,000 religious edicts called on Muslims to abandon the practice".
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CZlight
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09:31 PM on 10/28/2012
Life without the clitoris!! That's crazy talk.
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09:06 PM on 10/28/2012
More evidence that Islam is behind the evolutionary curve of civilized society.
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09:09 PM on 10/28/2012
Did you read the article?

If so, apparently you missed this part:

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"A growing number of Islamic scholars have condemned the practice. In Egypt, where both Muslim and Coptic Christian communities perform FGM, the country's highest Muslim leaders issued fatwas against the practice in 2007 and 2010.

According to a 2011 United Nations report, 61 Islamic scholars from 10 African countries also issued a fatwa against FGM. The same report said more than 4,100 religious leaders have taught followers that FGM is not sanctioned by Islam, while nearly 1,000 religious edicts called on Muslims to abandon the practice."
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Korean Kat
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11:24 PM on 10/28/2012
Your comment is like applauding Saudi Arabia for ending slavery in 1962.

And for all their belated efforts, however welcome, show how pathetically behind the curve they are.
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sylvabugg2
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09:28 PM on 10/28/2012
It is not based in the Islamic beliefs but is a cultural thing. The story plainly said that Islamic leaders condemn the practice.
RealistBC
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10:17 PM on 10/28/2012
I thought their word was law? Why isn't their absolute word on this followed?
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Korean Kat
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11:27 PM on 10/28/2012
Condemned it for approximately the last 10 years out of 1,400 years, or 0.7% of Islam's existence.
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Sjoerd W
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08:57 PM on 10/28/2012
Normally I don't approve of the 'fighting fire with fire' approach, but here it makes sense. Like with most religiously motivated harm, it's perpetrators will not listen to scientific, logic or even reasonable argument. Much like you will not persuade a physicist to abandon the Big Bang theory by citing the Bible to him.

Of course religion isn't the only cause, it is only one disputed hadith after all. The main catalyst for oppression and persecution of women and minorities is the socio-economic situation. For example, arranged (child-)marriages form a clear financial benefit to families with limited resources, religion or tradition makes for a convenient justification. Conversely, countries that do well usually see a movement towards more equality in opportunity, power and pay for women.

Achieving change through religious leaders is effective, especially in countries with low poverty and visible movement in other issues. Outside of these though, real progress will only be made if the socio-economic ground become more 'fertile' for religious leaders and community members to sow the seeds of equality and tolerance.
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08:56 PM on 10/28/2012
Is this a good enough reason for the Atheists to stop fighting against "true" Christianity?
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Mandalor te Siit
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09:08 PM on 10/28/2012
I will fight against any religion that causes harm to others or manages to be legislated. I don't know what "true Christianity" is, but I'm guessing it's whatever sect you belong to.
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02:39 AM on 10/31/2012
It really is not that difficult to find out what true Christianity is, you just get a recorded copy of the King James Bible read by Alexander Scourby on one DVD (he is the easiest to listen to of the many I have) for only $14 including postage and listen to it till you know about all it says, then you accept all the free advice you can get from any organization that claims to be Christian until you see their proof some other organizations that claim to be Christians are wrong and you will eventually find that they are all wrong but me (Sorry I just had to throw that in there for my own laugh). You can get closer than most anyone else does because they all have faults in their teaching procedures. If you can see all the faults in others, it will help you see the faults in your own thinking, that is if you want to. That is your choice to make if you want to, or not.
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10:04 PM on 10/28/2012
it is never the "true Christianity" that is a problem it is the Christian's, really crappy people usually.
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Korean Kat
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08:42 PM on 10/28/2012
Also I wish most Muslim put as much effort into fighting this practice as they do crying about how victimized and offended they are by cartoons, films and editorials.
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Korean Kat
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08:39 PM on 10/28/2012
"...you need to approach people with respect."

Sorry, but that approach failed with slavery and foot-binding. Child genital mutilation is such a powerful tradition that it can only be stopped by firm legal enforcement of a ban. You need to make the risk to the parents (imprisonment, permanent loss of custody) more than the perceived social rewards they see in cutting off part their child's body.
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ramp613
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10:35 PM on 10/28/2012
We have very little moral high ground to stand on, when speaking to those from genital-cutting cultures, since we are, ourselves, a genital-cutting culture.
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Korean Kat
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11:11 PM on 10/28/2012
I am all in favor of outlawing male circumcision.  That is why I said "child" and not just "female".  The hypocrisy of others is not an argument against my views.
08:22 PM on 10/28/2012
well CLEARLY religion is the cause of GENITAL mutilation, like it is the CAUSE of most mutilation!...lol
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MyNameIsKarsten
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08:09 PM on 10/28/2012
Of course religion is key in combating genital mutilation. It's also the origin.
07:11 PM on 10/28/2012
Savagery at its worst, courtesy of religious zealots for the simple purpose of CONTROLLING woman.
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ruthr
07:04 PM on 10/28/2012
For those who are confused, there is no comparison between male circumcision and female genital mutiliaton. FMG involves cutting out the clitoris and sometimes the entire labia, so that the girl will never experience sexual satisfaction. This is done to control the female population. A more accurate comparison to FMG would be cutting off the male sex organs.
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Korean Kat
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08:27 PM on 10/28/2012
If you had ever read even the most basic fact sheet on FGM, you would know it ranges from ceremonial cuts and nicks too the significant destruction you mention. The fact you are willfully ignorant (or are deliberately lying) exposes your moral discomfort with male circumcision. Convincing yourself there is "no comparison" is the only way to validate a barbarism in which you may well have participated.

All form of FGM are illegal, you cannot so much as draw a ceremonial drop of blood, where as with boys you can amputate a significant amount of healthy tissue. That is inequality under the law for a basic human right. Any decent person should abhor medical surgery without need or consent.
06:45 PM on 10/28/2012
I would have said that common sense is the key to combating FGM. But stupidity reigns.
07:09 PM on 10/28/2012
There is very little common sense or critical thought in ANY religion.
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Sjoerd W
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09:02 PM on 10/28/2012
The ability to apply common sense would have prevented people from engaging in the practice in the first place ;)
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spackled trout
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06:22 PM on 10/28/2012
Religion seems to be the root cause of male genital mutilation.
06:13 PM on 10/28/2012
The world is full of stupid actions based on tradition, religion, rumor and ignorance. You also do not change the minds of those with closed minds. Unless change can be proven to be economically benificial, few efforts have much of a chance of success. In the case of female multlation, don't forget you have to convince the women as well as the men. all too often the mothers are the ones that hold thier daughters down for the procedure from what I have read.