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Mac Howard
Thank god we got convicts, you got the puritans
09:44 PM on 11/08/2012
""He was a pioneer for us"

That really is sad that in 2012 an elected atheist can still be considered a pioneer particularly as many of your founding fathers were "deists" and three quarters of the way there.
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plantbasedpunk
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10:20 AM on 11/09/2012
Yeah, and all of our founding fathers were white men, but that doesn't mean that women or black people shouldn't be allowed to hold office. Atheists share many of the same beliefs as "deists". We just use what's in our hearts and minds to teach us morals, not religious scripture. We encompass a large portion of the country, believe it or not. It's great to be represented in D.C. Just because we don't believe in "god" doesn't mean we're lesser beings.
12:04 PM on 11/09/2012
You completely missed Mac Howard's point. He's agreeing with you.
04:15 PM on 11/21/2012
Who cares if they hold office? As long as they don't make laws regarding the religious preferences of others, no one cares what they do or think.
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pjr12345
Unhyphenated American
10:29 AM on 11/09/2012
The United States was founded by Christians and on Christian principles. No matter, it has proven it is no longer a Christian nation. The decline from its Christian roots has happened on a logarithmic trajectory, and we are in a rapidly steepening portion of the curve.

The collapse is on the horizon. What then, world?
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
12:53 PM on 11/09/2012
Always with the crazy fearmongering. All you prove is that you believe out of fear and that the god you worship is a monster.

No, we were never a Christian nation. I mean, that would explain the slavery, but no.

Some of the Founding Fathers were Christians but not all. By the way, did you ever see Thomas Jefferson's BIble? He cut out all the stuff he didn't like. Jesus was just a preacher and stayed dead.

The great thing the Founding Fathers did was--regardless of their personal beliefs--create a secular government. They knew that in the colonies, when the good Christians were in charge, they hanged Quakers for the crime of not being the "right" religion. They knew that government and religion must be separate and they created a secular nation. If they had wanted to create a Christian nation, they would have put that in writing in our official documents. They didn't. They did the oppiste.

More Christianity is not a good thing. Atheists are just as moral and productive and charitable as believers. The myth that we aren't is dying. Finally.
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Mac Howard
Thank god we got convicts, you got the puritans
04:07 PM on 11/09/2012
The rest of the 1st world has got on well enough with the separation of church and state. America will survive it also.
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Suzan S
I detest cheap sentiment.
08:38 PM on 11/08/2012
We seriously need more representation. After all non-believers are a growing segment of our society and should be able to have a voice in how our country is run.
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pjr12345
Unhyphenated American
10:30 AM on 11/09/2012
The entire democrat party and likely the majority of republicans represent you quite well.
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Suzan S
I detest cheap sentiment.
11:02 AM on 11/09/2012
Not if they keep legislating things like a national day of prayer and keep making policy on 'in God We Trust'.
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09:58 AM on 11/10/2012
This comment of yours encapsulates your ignorance quite nicely.
12:54 AM on 11/10/2012
Latest poling data from Pew and the American Values Survey put non believers at roughly 7% of the general population. 1 member of the House representing us is 0.1% of the house of reps. Compared to the 17% of the House that represents Women (who represent 50% of the population) I'd say we're making pretty good headway considering the relative "newness" of our identity as a politically active minority. Still have a way to go but lets not pretend we are being oppressed on a similar level to those who are still vastly underrepresented in government.
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Suzan S
I detest cheap sentiment.
09:34 AM on 11/10/2012
It is true that unless you are a rich, white, christian male, you are under represented
12:46 AM on 11/12/2012
The numbers you posted looked a bit odd, so I checked the Pew survey. As I suspected, it says 16.1% are unaffiliated. Depending on the survey, 7-12% of Americans don't believe in God. Combined with agnostics, the secular population makes up a larger percentage of the total US population than blacks, jews, or LGBT folks.

Atheists are still seen the most negatively out of all minorities in this country. Unsurprisingly, most people who don't believe in god are still unwilling to positively identify as 'atheist' on surveys, probably due to the stigma.
LemonFreshScent
Life gave me lemons... I added vodka
07:20 PM on 11/08/2012
I love it. Next time we are going to have winners like: First 6-toed, hairy-legged, atheist, but sometimes a christian, hermaphrodite, libertarian jew ELECTED TO OFFICE.

hehehe

I'm just kidding. Im so happy for all the diversity this time around.
09:25 PM on 11/08/2012
I'm a 6-toed (on the left foot) hermaphrodite and I second that suggestion. :)
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Casey Braden
A frood who really knows where his towel is.
09:46 PM on 11/08/2012
Thank God! If the sixth toe was on your RIGHT foot, that would be GROSS!
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05:12 PM on 11/08/2012
Good for you, Kyrsten Sinema. We're with you all the way.
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
03:59 PM on 11/08/2012
I just hope Sinema gives the same attention to secular issues that Stark did. Stark really did become our representative we will miss his voice in the House. I don't know if Sinema will be as vocal when it comes to secular issues, but I am still glad she is there.
05:50 PM on 11/08/2012
What religious issues? Religion shouldn't be the business of congress, it should be private.
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Linda Matuskey
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07:24 PM on 11/08/2012
Ensuring the separation of church and state. You have to watch the right because they are continuously promoting their christian agenda.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
03:26 PM on 11/08/2012
It would be nice if there were a few more atheists in congress.
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Funkstronaut
The Prince of Wassoon
03:42 PM on 11/08/2012
There probably are.
The bad news; They aren't honest enough to admit it.
I really don't care if they are a Voodoo Houngan, as long as they are honest, and keep their religion separate from the needs of their constituency.
But how rare is THAT?!
10:23 PM on 11/09/2012
There probably are a lot more LGBT people in congress too, that haven't come out, even now with more and more acceptance. No, deeply closeted Republicans caught in sex scandals don't count.
02:33 PM on 11/08/2012
Let me start by saying that I am an "out-of-the-closet" atheist, and have been for 34 years. I am also a Humanist and Unitarian Universalist. I've been married for 28 years, have five kids, 2 grandchildren, and I'm very active in the community. I mention all of this because many xians have us stereotyped as unhappy, angry, aggressive crackpots. We're not. We're productive members of society, we're moral beings, we can have stable, lifetime relationships, and we don't hate xians. We simply don't want to be harassed, denigrated, preached at, or persecuted. We get along quite well with the religious - just not the ones who try to cram their religion down our throats.

It is our country's loss that atheists are not more accepted. By preventing us from participating in government - and sometimes society in general - we, as a nation, are missing out on a wealth of knowledge, enthusiasm, compassion, respect for and allegiance to our country (as the Founding Fathers defined it), and love of our fellow humans.

What a waste.

While we are still under-represented in government - at any level - it does give me a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, a majority of people will eventually look upon a person being an atheist as a non-issue. Hopefully Rep. Elect Sinema, along with Re. Stark before her, represent the first crack in the wall erected against us in government.

Of course, I am an optimistic, glass-half-full kinda guy....
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
01:51 PM on 11/08/2012
Congrats Kyrsten Sinema! I was thrilled to have a congresswoman who shares so many of my beliefs (including atheism) and I'm even more thrilled to have her serving in my district.
01:46 PM on 11/08/2012
I was one of those 2000 voters that helped her win!
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JayBachand
The vastness is bearable with love.
04:38 PM on 11/08/2012
Thank you!
07:11 PM on 11/08/2012
Yes, thank you!
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Hans Bickel
Wisdom Is Applied Truth: HARI BOL!
01:13 PM on 11/08/2012
Ironically, the name Kyrsten is a variant of Christian that comes from Christ that comes from Krishna, so without GOD she would not have that name.
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
01:17 PM on 11/08/2012
Ok, so without your mythology, she'd have another first name.
01:48 PM on 11/08/2012
The same goes for anyone who calls their child Thor, Athena, or Zenithar.

Nothing ironic there. Especially since her parents believed in the Christian stories.
04:10 PM on 11/08/2012
Or they just liked the name....
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Hans Bickel
Wisdom Is Applied Truth: HARI BOL!
04:59 PM on 11/08/2012
GOD has millions of demigods that form the universal government for managing universal affairs. These demigods are addressed by different names according to time, place, and circumstance, just as GOD too is addressed differently but all such names refer to the same personality. Thor is a former name for the eternal Lord Indra who is the King of Heaven, and in charge of weather in GOD's government. The post exists for the duration of the universe, but the holder of the post and their name can change, just like some of Obama's cabinet are being replaced by other persons.

Your ignorance about these matters has no bearing on their place in reality.
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Hans Bickel
Wisdom Is Applied Truth: HARI BOL!
01:04 PM on 11/08/2012
When death comes, everyone will know if GOD is real. Some see GOD everywhere, while others deny GOD for not having appeared to them or because of other tragedies. One should understand that GOD, like any father, can choose to practice tough love. GOD is not our order supplier as in "give me my daily bread and show yourself to me." For love to be real, it must be purely voluntary and reciprocal, hence the more we develop faith and love for GOD, the more visible GOD becomes.

Moreover, out of compassion and despite our rebellious nature, GOD personally comes at prearranged times foretold in scriptures that predate HIS supernatural Divine Pastimes on earth, such as Lord Krishna's pastimes that are described in the Mahabharata (Great History). How does an atheist explain the veracity of such prophesies? Science does not deny, for example, that Vedic scripture foretold the name, place, time, and mission of Buddha's coming in 563BC, or Lord Caitanya a mere 500 years ago. Furthermore, the pastimes of these incarnations were recorded, not by Disney, but by great saints and the empowered incarnation of Godhead for writing scripture, Srila Vyasadeva, whose lives, in turn, are verified in the same historical manner as any other historical personality. Hence, it would be unscientific to accept Caesar, for example, and not them. The history of GOD's appearances on earth are therefore scientific proof that GOD exists because they exemplify the scientific method whereby a given hypothesis is repeatedly confirmed.
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Slayer503
I think, therefore... I am not religious...
01:33 PM on 11/08/2012
Just because billions of people, over centuries, believe in god(s), that does not make it/them real. The scientific method repeatedly disproves god(s)/religion...

Fictional reality is still fictional;)
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Hans Bickel
Wisdom Is Applied Truth: HARI BOL!
08:16 PM on 11/08/2012
How presumptuous and ignorant of you. Even great scientists like Einstein and Sagan make no such claim, in fact, "the notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both." (Sagan quoted by HP on 2/11/2012).

Furthermore, that billions of people are convinced there is a GOD does carry some weight because you don't find billions of adults believing in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Peter Pan etc.

Moreover, as noted above, the basic scientific method of verifying a hypothesis by repeated testing, when applied to the appearances of GOD on earth, confirms the existence of GOD. The Vedic scriptures provide ample information about the time, place, name, and mission of GOD's incarnations that are then substantiated by independent historical accounts of Their pastimes, thus confirming the existence of GOD and the entourage that accompanies HIM. Before the Information Age that has been facilitated by new technology, this information was not widely known. That has now changed with the corresponding implications for the validity of spiritual knowledge that has proven atheism wrong. Remaining in denial merely substantiates John Quincy Adams view of atheists.
01:50 PM on 11/08/2012
We can easily explain what you mention. Many people have overactive imaginations and low standards of proof.
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Hans Bickel
Wisdom Is Applied Truth: HARI BOL!
08:18 PM on 11/08/2012
That's being snobbish.
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bawnotbb
Pity the Proles.
11:39 AM on 11/08/2012
Maybe this has been covered..but how does an Atheist actually take the oath of office.
Just curious.
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
12:34 PM on 11/08/2012
You mean because most (but not all) elected officials swear on a Bible? You don't have to. Even a president or two didn't do that.
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
01:53 PM on 11/08/2012
Swear on a Richard Dawkins book, lol.
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Abraham1771
Polymath Rationalist
03:11 PM on 11/08/2012
Hahaha, dummy. In any court you just can say: So I swear.
And if you want, you add: without a religious affirmation.
11:26 AM on 11/08/2012
Society will no get better it will get worse mark my words
12:32 PM on 11/08/2012
Seems to be getting better from my view.
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
12:35 PM on 11/08/2012
Why? What does that have to do with an atheist being elected ?
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bakdoc1980
Trying to take rational national...
11:26 AM on 11/08/2012
15-20% of Americans consider themselves to be without religious affiliation. We have become a political block to be reckoned with. The GOP , as proven Tuesday, has lost focus as a political party. If you can not beat a rival as vulnerable as the Dems were this year then you are doing something wrong -- and IMO that something is that the GOP has become a mouthpiece for the right wing Christian agenda. They must move toward a less-biblical platform and more toward a politically balanced policy base, treating women as humans and keeping the church separate from the state. Ms. Sinema will not be alone for long....
11:22 AM on 11/08/2012
As of this morning, there is no information as to who won this race. There are still THOUSANDS of ballots to be counted here in AZ. I hope Sinema wins...but according to her campaign, the major newspapers, and the TV/radio stations in Phoenix, this is not over yet.

This writer should not have written that she has won yet.
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
01:56 PM on 11/08/2012
She's held the 2,000 vote margin since Tuesday night. Unless there's some hidden pocket of republicans somewhere in CD9, I'm pretty sure we can toss this can pretty much call this one for Sinema.
02:41 PM on 11/08/2012
From azcentral an hour ago:

"Democrat Kyrsten Sinema gained a slightly wider margin over Republican opponent Vernon Parker as election officials continued to count ballots Wednesday in the tight contest for Congressional District 9.

The Sinema campaign hailed the progress but continued to call for a full count of untallied early and provisional ballots in the Valley-based district.

“We expect to see ups and downs over the next several days,” spokesman Justin Unga said in a prepared statement. “In the end, we are confident that final counts will show Kyrsten Sinema to be the highest vote-getter and she will be sworn into Congress in January.”

It's not up to some religious writer to call it...especially if the campaign itself isn't willing to call it.

I support her and believe she won...but you don't declare her the winner as a journalist...you "project" or "predict."

Jus' sayin'.