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Conspiracy2Riot
Go ahead, try and eat that fiat currency
11:42 PM on 11/13/2012
um, it's ironic that this would be a 'do the math' tour.

"At current rates of consumption, the world will have blown through its 565-gigaton threshold in 16 years."

from year to year, since when have rates of consumption remained the same? with the emerging economies of brazil, india and china, rate of consumption is increasing every year. every year.

this makes the 16 years out estimate seem generous.
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10:13 AM on 11/14/2012
As models keep continually proving. Scientists estimates have been far too conservative.
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
10:46 PM on 11/13/2012
At 31.6 Gt per year and rising, global CO2 emissions are just 1% below and fast approaching the 2017 32.6 Gt level the IEA has determined is consistent with a 50% chance of limiting an average global temperature increase to 2°C.

The IEA World Energy Outlook 2011‘s 450 Scenario notes that a decoupling of CO2 emissions and global GDP growth is taking place. Nonetheless, the trend is discouraging, with the rate of growth of CO2 emissions exceeding that of GDP in 2011.

More needs to be done and done faster if humanity is to avoid a worst-case climate change scenario, according to the IEA, which, along with a renewed push by environmental organizations and public interest groups is calling on the public to pressure their governments to eliminate fossil fuel subsidies.
http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/25/global-co2-emissions-reach-recordhigh-driven-fossil-fuel-use-rapidly-industrializing-nations/
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Chipher
prosaic quotidian
07:12 AM on 11/14/2012
CO2 is decoupling because the Warmists have MANDATED that America burn five BILLION bushels of human corn and soy for the 2013 Biofuels Initiative, that means 100,000s of square MILES of tropical rainforest is being logged and burned off to make way for GMO monocrop corn and soy plantations, driving millions of campesanos and aborginals into the urban ghettos, leaving 'carbon volcanoes' where no monkey laughs, no bird sings, no cricket chirps and no frog croaks.

The Warmists' biofuels chancre is destroying the Earth to 'save it'.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
07:42 AM on 11/14/2012
What is human corn? If they project needing more corn, they just plant more corn. You try to make it sound like they are taking corn off of store shelves.

Where are they clearing rainforest to plant corn? That makes no sense.
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
12:37 PM on 11/14/2012
Drought is one of the reasons why corn as a biofuel is a mistake.  Even the UN thinks so:
UN Calls on U.S. to Halt Biofuel Production as Drought Devastates Corn Crophttp://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/un-calls-on-us-to-halt-biofuel-production-as-drought-devastates-corn-crop?news=844906
Brazilians farmers are cutting down the forests for economic reasons - that is, to make a living.  There's a program afoot to get the farmers to cut fewer trees:
One way some tropical countries are reducing deforestation is through participation in the United Nations’ Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation (REDD) program. REDD essentially works to establish incentives for the people who care for the forest to manage it sustainably while still being able to benefit economically. Examples include using less land (and therefore cutting fewer trees) for activities such as coffee growing and meat and milk production. 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=deforestation-and-global-warming
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Roosevelt Democrat
10:19 PM on 11/13/2012
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=4390

Here's another little thing to add to the equation.

China has doubled it's already sizable usage of coal after Kyoto and you can't hide that with terms like per capita or historic usage.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat gambler Satellite whisperer I-Ind./Irony
10:17 PM on 11/13/2012
More walkable and bike safe neighborhoods would be a start -- get errands done while getting exercise. Developers fight this tooth and nail but people (especially couples) still want enough square footage. Should make a bigger market for cabinet makers, carpenters, etc..
10:08 PM on 11/13/2012
For every degree of increased temperature our atmosphere can hold 7% more water. I sense that is of enormous consequence. Little is said about this when global warming is discussed. There is so much we don't know. Conservation is the single largest factor we understand. The strategy Jeremy Rifkin is engaged in seems to be getting it right. In ten years Germany now has 50% renewable energy sources. When we reduce our consumption by 70% that makes a difference. When we produce instead of consuming energy that makes a huge difference. These factors compound and effectively have an exponential effect. Money is the single most significant factor driving this madness and I am convinced that when money becomes a community means of exchange and credit a public utility, when we eliminate interest and end speculation, only then will we have the means by which to realize a policy of survival.
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Chipher
prosaic quotidian
07:17 AM on 11/14/2012
And yet in prelude to California launching the cap-and-trade initiative, a NY State judge has overturned provisions of Dodd-Frank limiting speculation. It's law of the land that UNLIMITED commodities futures speculation can latch onto carbon cap-and-trade $s.
The Warmists' 'unintended consequences' ... or their plan all along. "It's not about the Science. The Science doesn't matter. It's about (control of) public policy." > IPCC-ICE
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GhostOfFDR
02:41 PM on 11/14/2012
Yes, that's why a revenue neutral carbon tax would be better than cap and trade. But the republican party wouldn't allow that.
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Jim Milks
Ecologist
09:55 PM on 11/13/2012
It's going to take quite an effort to slow and eventually reverse man-made global warming. Right now, we've warmed by 0.8ºC since 1880. That amount of warming represents the full equilibrium warmth expected from a CO2 level of 325 ppmv, a level we passed in 1970. The additional warmth expected from the CO2 emitted since is 0.67ºC. So assuming a 40-year lag, we'll be warming for at least the next 40 years IF all man-made CO2 levels stopped tomorrow. That won't happen and isn't likely to happen until the people and governments of the world fight to make that change.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
09:25 PM on 11/13/2012
King Coal

Old King Coal was a merry old soul,
a merry old soul was he.
He called to Mitt, and he called to Rush,
and he called to his Congressmen Three.

Old King Coal took a big, big toll.
Nothing's what it used to be.
He made our woods less whole
for I can't find a single tree.
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roger stillick
04:30 AM on 11/14/2012
Trees take in CO2 and exhale O2, trees like coal smoke...
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06:52 AM on 11/14/2012
Do your kids like having a future?
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Chipher
prosaic quotidian
07:20 AM on 11/14/2012
A mature forest is carbon neutral ... think about it.
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hx4354x0r
Computing geek, Hackysacker.
09:21 PM on 11/13/2012
Conservation is the only short-term answer. But... who is going to choose immediate deprivation, over slow poisoning? I'm one of the very few who have*.

Especially for the US, there isn't enough alternative energy. It would take ~30 years of the entire projected global production of solar panels just to replace all fossil fuel consumption in the US alone. At current efficiencies, it would cover 4-5% of continental US landmass.

If we really bet the farm on solar (it's the ONLY single energy source that can supply all current needs with capacity to spare), we could *probably* nearly cut those figures in half: about 15 years to 100% solar power, and about 2-3% of landmass covered.

Along with that, we'd have to build a completely new energy distribution grid, solve as-yet unsolved problems in terms of intermittency, storage, transmission, and replace all fossil-burning machinery.

This is a daunting task. But it must be done.

*I've used a bicycle as my primary form of transportation almost all my life. That's ~150K car miles displaced, ~10K gallons of gas not burned, ~20 tons of carbon not released. I've also been a near-vegetarian for over half my life now (meat production uses a LOT of fossil fuel). I've not emitted over 30 tons of carbon, as an individual.

Either cut your own use, or stop complaining about the "evil" businesses that supply it to you.

I don't see much hope here.
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Conspiracy2Riot
Go ahead, try and eat that fiat currency
11:48 PM on 11/13/2012
i've also chosen immediate deprivation over having my world suddenly flipped over with no skills to speak of to assist in my survival. and you know what? it's the best decision i've ever made.

living with so much less, growing our own food and re-entering the natural world to observe, learn and live has becomes my life's passion.

people fear what they do not know. i consider myself a living example that life improves when you live as you were meant to do and not within the false construct of man made institutions.
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01:08 PM on 11/14/2012
Most don't realize their lives are artificial marketing constructs. More need to make the connection that you have made.

I get comments all the time on my fitness at my age. Its not genetic luck, its following a lifestyle that involves physical work, growing food, consuming less, having a sport. Happens to be good for the pocket book too.
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roger stillick
04:37 AM on 11/14/2012
no one looks at geothermal... there would be no need for a national power grid, or at least a huge rebuild if heat and lighting were done in neighborhood units...or individual home use...
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Robco1
09:00 PM on 11/13/2012
We need to show people that the harm caused by the fossil fuel lobby's PR disinformation campaign to deny global warming has caused this tremendous harm to our future well-being, and we should hold that lobby and their PR operatives accountable for the harm they have caused.

The 2006 IREA memo exposes deliberate propaganda coordination between Pat Michaels, Koch Industries and Cato. The Heartland Affair exposed Heartland as a PR firm masquerading as a non-profit "think tank" selling propaganda to schoolchildren for pay. The use of the infamous TASSC strategy by oil and coal interests has led to decades of inaction that will wreak havoc on the future handed our children.

Frankly, I am pissed. I say let's sue the bastards.
08:42 PM on 11/13/2012
Damn, the Mayan calendar said the world was over in in Dec 2012. Will someone make up their mind
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
09:42 PM on 11/13/2012
Just wait! We still have another infernal month to go? Be afraid! Be very afraid! Well at least till after New Years Day. If we make it into 2013, we're safe.
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08:36 PM on 11/13/2012
The crises we now face are varied and incredibly daunting: unchecked human population growth, the voracious consumption of the Earth's finite resources and rampant destruction of its biodiversity, greenhouse gas emissions increasing rather than decreasing, and a variety of vested interests intent on forestalling any meaningful efforts to turn things around. We're going to blow it for the whole biosphere if concerted remedial action isn't taken immediately and it remains to be seen whether humanity possesses the capability of getting its act together in time.
04:29 AM on 11/14/2012
Indeed. If we make it to 2028 there's still 2050 to consider: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jul/07/research.waste . I'm glad that I never had children, because I doubt very much that we'll get our act together in time.
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Joffan
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
08:29 PM on 11/13/2012
Does anyone have a source for this statement in the article:
"Germany—Europe’s economic powerhouse—in less than a decade, has managed to get upwards of half of its energy from sustainable sources."

I just want to understand it properly. It sounds unlikely but context is important.
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Jim Milks
Ecologist
09:44 PM on 11/13/2012
From what I've read, Germany is still at the 20 to 30% average range for renewable energy, reaching 50% during some weekends. So I'm not sure where that quote comes from.
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Joffan
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
11:41 PM on 11/13/2012
I take it that's electricity rather than total energy.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
09:48 PM on 11/13/2012
Google: "smartplanet solar electricity world record germany" and pick the first link.

from another source: "Portugal transformed its electric grid from 17 percent renewables to 45 percent in just five years (as of 2010). And in the first half of 2012, renewables provided over 25 percent of Germany’s electricity."
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Joffan
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
11:40 PM on 11/13/2012
Right, so it was indeed a completely specious claim. Half of electricty - not energy - for a few hours one summers afternoon doesn't approach the threshold of a serious assertion of that nature.

And the Portuguese claim I have encountered before, and was also totally deceptive; it relied on counting from a dry, low-hydro year to a wet high-hydro year, even though in a slowly rising trend, to make a spectacular claim out of some small progress.
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roger stillick
04:47 AM on 11/14/2012
Europe uses gas from Russia to heat itself period...Wood pellets are the exception,where coal plants could not be replaced conversion to wood pellets was done as it is carbon neutral... sounds stupid, that's just the EURO rules...RS
08:00 PM on 11/13/2012
Do the math. Unless you can remove significant quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere, the best we can do is slow it down by a decade or two. If we reduce demand for fossil fuels, the price will fall, increasing the demand for them in developing countries. Unless America is prepared to provide renewable energy globally, economics dictates failure. Instead, we should put our resources towards mitigating the damage that is inevitable. Admitting that we have lost the battle may provide a greater urgency than the placebo of attempting to stop history.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:29 PM on 11/13/2012
We can, using carbon negative waste bio char, such as coolplanet.

Solar is cheaper than nukes and clean coal. A solar panel is 1/5 the cost of the coal needed to produce as much electricity. Solar is cheaper than nukes, oil wars, or fracked water.

Not only can we reverse CO2, we can save money replacing fossils and nukes with rooftop/parking lot solar, offshore wind, electric cars all backed up by waste bio char and hydro.

But nukes and coal get 500M$ in breaks per plant per year. Oil gets wars. We need to stop that, start charging fossils and nukes for their pollution, and put all the investment and breaks into installing solar wind and waste.

But congress is owned by the big money folks.
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06:41 PM on 11/13/2012
Wanted to go to this just to see the crowd reaction but will not be near a city where it is scheduled on any of the dates. I am so thrilled to see 350 finally talking about the urgency of this issue....sadly it may be too little too late. But at least the straight story is finally having a mass airing.
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
09:29 PM on 11/13/2012
Nothing has focused my mind on the urgency of climate change and the need to stop keystone XL pipeline as has Bill and 350.org. So I see it differently, and continue to be gratefully amazed at the heroic struggle they've been waging for a long time. Getting 12,000 people to circle the Whie House is nothing to sneer at. What concerns me is whether they'll get a large enough turn out for the march against oil and Keystone. Too bad that I live on the opposite side of the country, but I hope that everyone who supports Occupy will turn up. This is a chance to galvanize their support too.
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08:00 AM on 11/14/2012
sorry but I have been following bill and 350  for a long while and he always it played like we had time....til this year.
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08:07 AM on 11/14/2012
Its a countrywide tour that runs through til the 3rd of Dec, so you may be able to catch one of the appearances.btw, keytstone doesnt matter to anyone aside from the us oil companies and those whose land is in the pathway since enbridge got the alberta clipper and is reworking line 9 (reversing its direction) which starts in Sarnia so tar sand oil can flow out the st lawrence at Montreal.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
06:35 PM on 11/13/2012
Big Oil and the other fossils will not go down easily.
In order for the public to take control of their own energy needs and deep six the fossil fuel companies, it will almost undoubtedly require that the world be so effed up from climate change that no amount of cheap fossil energy or fossil energy money can fix it.
Sandy was a small foretaste of things to come.

The organic chemicals from the fossil fuel industry should be being used to create the polymers that we will need to create a world that can survive the new planetary environment that we are creating. Burning those chemicals as fuel will go down in history as one of the stupidest examples of profit driven myopia in history.