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06:09 AM on 06/25/2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo This has been planned for years... There is no way to know who is shooting who... for all we know neda was shot by a lebanese hired by the cia.... we know nothing watch this link!
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Khirad
07:03 AM on 06/25/2009
Seen it. Pretzel logic. Deflects the IRI's own mismanagement and brutality in addressing the needs of its own people. I've known about the CIA stuff for years, the CIA can not organize a million people into Azadi square and across the country in Shiraz, Isfahan, Ardebil, Tabriz, Mashhad, etc. If they can, they are not the same CIA we thought we knew.
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Khirad
07:08 AM on 06/25/2009
2) If you were the IRI, who would you blame for her death? It's called damage control. We cannot know 100% and a little skepticism is always healthy, but credulity in regards to conspiracy theories and IRIB/PressTV/Etc. stories, I would recommend against as well. It's funny how I've been following the CIA/MeK/Jundallah stories for a while now and all of a sudden everyone has jumped on the bandwagon for ulterior purposes. Curious.
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NomadicView
09:10 AM on 06/25/2009
I heard the same thing on a blog. Writer thought that it was a deliberate provocation by demonstrators. Khirad, your response was much better than mine. I was like.. wooo, What?? So many people.. especially in the Middle East are having their ideas shaken to the core and are trying desperately to find some way to return to their ideas about who is the bad guy and who is the good guy. http://www.talkturkey.us/2009/06/neda-and-provocateurs.html
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
05:51 AM on 06/25/2009
It's time to withdraw all diplomatic contact with this brutal dictatorship, world wide!

Those nations who are for them will stand condemned with them!
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Khirad
06:04 AM on 06/25/2009
Yeah I posted articles yesterday from India and Pakistan. Seemingly, the Pakistani media are hipper to what's going on than their Indian counterparts. Anyone who knows the regional dynamics and relations will not be surprised, but I would hope, given Manmohan Singh's feelings about Obama, that Congress could be on the right side of history here (with at least a statement of concern, if they've given one, I've not been updated) - or forever give up using Gandhi. Russia is pulling away investments, I heard, and China -- well -- always count on them to stand WITH human rights abusers. The EU needs to stop dithering, but signs I've seen look at least hopeful - a disinvite from the G8 in Rome, UK expelling diplomats and the freezing Mojtaba Khamene'i's assets, etc. Correct me on the particulars, but that's the gist I'm seeing (along with probably a lot of scrambling to preserve business deals with the régime in the backround).
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deschl
06:42 AM on 06/25/2009
What the hell is the UN doing for gods sake, what is their point, disband the UN they stand back and watch genocide in Darfur, human rights violations what is their purpose disband them, better they speak as a whole than the US to get physically involved we have a extra war on our hands thanks to Mr. Bush our military is too strained to help, especially with that nut in North Korea talking crazy, god help the Iranian protesters.
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dwright
Religion is man-created.
06:44 AM on 06/25/2009
The US has no formal relationships with Iran at all at the present time. So what are we going to break off?
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justsomeguywhocameby
Wherever you go there you are.
12:24 PM on 06/25/2009
Whinger you said:

"It's time to withdraw all diplomatic contact with this brutal dictatorship, world wide!"

My argument is, this is no change. This policy has been in place since the revolution in 1979.

No President in 30 years has had any other policy.
We frequently denounce the Iranian regime.
We frequently declare them illegitimate
We don't recognize Iran as a country.
Diplomatically they don't exist.
We can't even talk to them because we have no Ambassador to Iran.
We have go through the Swiss.
This jimi’s, ronnie’s, bushes’ 1&2, and clinton’s policy.

How is Obama doing the same thing gonna change anything?
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05:32 AM on 06/25/2009
10:06 PM ET -- Rafsanjani, Mousavi meet with parliamentarians. "Mousavi and Rafsanjani met senior parliamentarians on Wednesday. The semi-official Fars news agency said only that the 'election and latest developments' were discussed and it was not clear whether the pair were trying to make peace with the hardline-dominated parliament or trying to win support."

Perhaps it is related to the numerous violations to the Iranian constitution. The right to peaceable demonstrations are a right of the people, after all.
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Khirad
05:38 AM on 06/25/2009
And also the violations of law in the ballot "counting".
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10:20 AM on 06/25/2009
Agreed.. but the Supreme Leader has managed to distance himself from any direct involvement of THAT and unfortunately, it is all but unprovable. That evidence is long gone and anybody who might have told the truth was purged prior to the event. The preamble of the Iranian constition reads:
Having regard to the intrinsic nature of this great movement, the Constitution guarantees to oppose any kind of despotism, intellectual, social, and as regards monopoly economics, and to struggle for freedom from the despotic system, and to entrust men's destiny to their own hands.
05:26 AM on 06/25/2009
Those of us who are not techies are frustrated that we cannot do more to help. We care deeply about the people of Iran who are being brutalized by their own government (imagine!). President Obama has struck exactly the right note: condemn the repression but basically don't get into the position of telling the Iranian government what to do. As it is, Khamanei wants to blame foreigners for the consequences of his own actions.
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Pupadup4oBama
05:32 AM on 06/25/2009
he sounds like some republig00ns we all know and h@t3
07:20 AM on 06/25/2009
There is no Republican capable of making a nuanced statement, expressing support for the protesters while asking the government to adhere to universal principles of free speech, freedom of assembly, protesting the government.

Bush would have used this as an excuse to b0mb Iran because it was considered part of the Axis of evil.

I hope President Obama continues to judge this situation clearly.
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05:33 AM on 06/25/2009
Great post and observations. I can agree with that.
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poco767c
05:11 AM on 06/25/2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8118139.stm

100 Iranian members of parliament snub Ahmedinejad victory celebration.
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Khirad
05:51 AM on 06/25/2009
If you ever want to have some fun, try telling things like the differences between Association of Combatant Clerics and Combatant Clergy Association apart!

More on the majles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majlis_of_Iran (find better site, please tell me)
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poco767c
05:55 AM on 06/25/2009
Judean Peoples Front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
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Mogamboguru
I am a liar. Don't believe me.
05:07 AM on 06/25/2009
From Twitter - quote:

"Larkhill: RT From Iran: Confirmed Thursday's freedom rally is @ 4:30pm from Vali-asr intersection to Enghelab sq. in Tehran #iranelection #gr88"

That's 8 AM Eastern Time.

Stay tuned.
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poco767c
04:48 AM on 06/25/2009
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/25/opposition-alters-tactics-to-avoid-protest-deaths/

The protesters are moving to more smaller protests as it will spread the basij and protect the protesters.

"Iran's pro-democracy movement is changing strategy and will use smaller and more dispersed demonstrations to try to protect protesters from security forces, who dissidents now say have killed nearly 250 people in the past 10 days.

Mohsen Makhmalbaf, a prominent Iranian filmmaker who is serving as a spokesman in the West for opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, told The Washington Times that the opposition movement is also asking Iranians all over the world to light candles in silent protest Friday to commemorate Neda Agha-Soltan, a young woman killed by security forces Saturday. "
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Khirad
05:40 AM on 06/25/2009
Getting smaller is not a wise move, but may be the only way to move and assemble.
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Khirad
05:53 AM on 06/25/2009
A little OT: I still recommend Mohsen Makhmalbaf, if you've never seen one of his films. There are a few other Iranian filmmakers I could recommend as well.
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04:41 AM on 06/25/2009
CaptainHowdy2, I'm a lover of music and have something to run up your flagpole for an opinion. You've made me aware of some people behind some of the sites/companies. Now it's my turn to return the favor.

As a lover of music, I'm been buying musical gear and polishing my ability to play/record music. 2 sites I've been dealing with are Guitar Center and Musician's Friend. I had always thought that they were separate companies in competition with each other. Well, that's the public perception they want you to have. Turns out, GC owns MF. But that's not all. Both, and other music stores, are owned by a great big conglomerate made up by republican/neocon folks, one of which is Mitt Romney, he's a partner in the holding company that owns all of that. Effectively have a monopoly on alot of the internet musical instrument sales in some respects. So when I buy that cherry sunburst Gibson Les Paul, some of the profits are going into Mitt Romney's pockets. GRRRR!!
04:53 AM on 06/25/2009
Ouch! Yeah, I play music as a hobby and was already aware of the fact that GC/MF are the same company. I didn't realize who was behind it.

The problem is, that once companies start making a lot of money, they will affiliate themselves with those that can help them develop and maintain monopolies to make even more money. It's a sickness of some sort... really.

Here's some interesting info on "Interlocking Directorates"...

http://progressiveliving.org/mass_media_and_politics.htm
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05:10 AM on 06/25/2009
Here you go...

"On June 27, 2007, Guitar Center agreed to $1.9 billion buyout from Bain Capital, totaling $2.1 billion including debt. The deal was led by Goldman Sachs and amounted to a per-share price of $63, or a 26% premium on June 26's closing price."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Center

"Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Willard Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital

Basically, Bain Capital is nothing more than a holding company. They buy up companies and just skim off the profits. Much like Halliburton and Zapata does. ;o)
04:55 AM on 06/25/2009
"All of the American broadcast media, and most of the print media as well, are owned primarily by wealthy individuals. Direct ties to the biggest of big businesses are almost unbelievably extensive (see our analysis below), and, we believe, these ties cannot help but seriously bias and compromise news coverage. Moreover, the media empires are, first and foremost, profit-making corporations that conduct themselves like other corporations when it comes to corrupting American politics. That is, the parent corporations of many make so-called "campaign contributions" and also act against the public interest in other ways. As big winners in the corruption game, they show no signs of serious interest in political reform. (As large corporations themselves, the mass media want the same preferential treatment, and have the same desire to grow without bounds, as all other corporations.)

Allegations of political bias in the media are common, although there is considerable controversy concerning the nature of this bias: neither liberals or conservatives are pleased. Conservatives allege that the media exhibit a liberal bias. On the other hand, liberals allege that the media exhibit a pro-corporate, plutocratic bias. However, we believe such charges rely on a faulty and simplistic analysis of the American political and economic spectrum (for a better understanding of that spectrum, see the linked diagrams, politics and economics). The truth is that the apparent liberalism of some of the mass media is primarily cultural, and rarely economic."
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graceland9
...and talk in the past and not the present tense.
06:53 AM on 06/25/2009
Wow - sounds like Burlesqueoni.
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Frenbar
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
04:02 AM on 06/25/2009
I hear a lot of people crying about how "militia" in plain clothes are stopping people to search them and beat them. Not army, not police officers, just right wing "thugs".

While clearly not an ideal situation, if someone in street clothes comes up to me and tries to take my cellphone, they are ending up on the ground with a broken skull. If there's a group of them, then I'd go and gather 10, 50, or 100 of my closest friends and come back with bats and chains.

It's one thing to not want to fight heavily armed military police when you don't have the proper weaponry, but there's simply no excuse to let yourself get bullied into submission by a group (mostly old) religious knuckleheads.
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04:53 AM on 06/25/2009
I agree!! Like my father used to teach me, if someone kicks you, you don't just kick them back. You kick them back so hard it breaks their leg so that they will never kick you again. lol
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Z-Liberator
Republicans are scared men of narrow vision,
05:20 AM on 06/25/2009
Tough guys?
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Khirad
05:42 AM on 06/25/2009
Or, what are the thoughts on what the SWAT guy said on Iranian.com?
03:56 AM on 06/25/2009
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/187632-Soros-the-CIA-Mossad-and-the-New-Media-Destabilization-of-Iran

Soros, the CIA, Mossad and the New Media Destabilization of Iran

Now we arrive at Destabilization 2.0, really not much more than a slight tweak of Destabilization 1.2. The only thing different is that now Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and other social media are being employed to amplify the effect of (and the impression of) internal protests. Once again, Soros henchman Evgeny Morozov is extolling the virtues of the new Tehran Twitter revolution and the New York Times is writing journalistic hymns to the power of internet new media...when it serves western imperial interests. We are being asked to believe that this latest version of the very (very) old program of U.S. corporate imperialism is the real deal. While there is no doubt that the regime of Ahmadenijad is reprehensible and the feelings of many of the young protesters in Iran are genuine, you will forgive me for questioning the motives behind the monolithic media support for the overthrow of Iran's government and the installation of Mir-Houssein "Butcher of Beirut" Mousavi.
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poco767c
03:59 AM on 06/25/2009
The same story was on infowars earlier in the week, doesn't lend it much journalistic integrity.
04:01 AM on 06/25/2009
Yeah, but Infowars aggregated it from another site. Maybe that ones no better... i don't know.

Anyway, just more food for thought. They can't all be gems. :shrug:
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Mogamboguru
I am a liar. Don't believe me.
04:04 AM on 06/25/2009
Who is paying you?
04:42 AM on 06/25/2009
The stuff that I'm posting is just as credible as the rumors, disinformation, lies and complete BS that is coming out of social networking sites like Twitter and FaceBook and being offered up as real news.

Deal with it.

At least my stuff is more entertaining...
03:52 AM on 06/25/2009
Sickening Hypocrisy: the CIA's Dirty War in Iran

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/187611-Sickening-Hypocrisy-the-CIA-s-Dirty-War-in-Iran
03:47 AM on 06/25/2009
You can fool some of the people some of the time you can fool all of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.
Mr. Ahmadinajad if you thoroughly believe that you are the winner of the election and there was no wrong doing why you are so worry about the people's demonstration?
You are the head of the government (incumbent) you should have ordered to your security forces to protect your brothers and sisters but instead you have turned your face to another way.
History has thought us very important lesson that is hiding the truth was never possible. Any leader gone against nation was doomed
Please do not forget we all took part in 1979 revolution we all struggle as you did. Revolution is not yours but nation.
There is no doubt about your inner intention that is serving the country and making us prosper however you have wrong paradigm to do that.
Democracy to you has no meaning we all know that but you always say that your government is a democratic government .Here I would like to define democracy in simple way.
Democracy is governing majority over minority with preserving the rights of minority. Freedom of expression, assembly, free press, is very basic freedoms of the nation you cannot under any circumstances deprive the nation from these rights.
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Khirad
05:33 AM on 06/25/2009
Thanks.
03:27 AM on 06/25/2009
Fascinating article on one of the main Facebook board members, and Neocon, Peter Thiel.

Goes a long way to explaining the behavior of most people on this site too...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

With friends like these ...

Facebook has 59 million users - and 2 million new ones join each week. But you won't catch Tom Hodgkinson volunteering his personal information - not now that he knows the politics of the people behind the social networking site

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Thiel's philosophical mentor is one René Girard of Stanford University, proponent of a theory of human behaviour called mimetic desire. Girard reckons that people are essentially sheep-like and will copy one another without much reflection. The theory would also seem to be proved correct in the case of Thiel's virtual worlds: the desired object is irrelevant; all you need to know is that human beings will tend to move in flocks. Hence financial bubbles. Hence the enormous popularity of Facebook. Girard is a regular at Thiel's intellectual soirees. What you don't hear about in Thiel's philosophy, by the way, are old-fashioned real-world concepts such as art, beauty, love, pleasure and truth.
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03:42 AM on 06/25/2009
Excellent post, and that's why I resist things like TWITTER, MySpace and Facebook. They are all nothing but data mining companies.
03:47 AM on 06/25/2009
Here's some more opinion...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10456534

Facebook - the CIA conspiracy
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06:32 AM on 06/25/2009
Thank you for this.

It is always good to know where "conservatives" get the philosophical foundations for their inhumanity.

Yes, people are sheep, or can be, partly becaause they just want to belong.
That is one reason why the people place their TRUST in government..

Unfortunately, those in government too are only human.
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03:26 AM on 06/25/2009
How does the petty, albeit hypocritical, philandering of a politician displace the events unfolding in Iran as the top story at HuffPost?
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03:36 AM on 06/25/2009
Probably lack of information coming from Iran.
03:39 AM on 06/25/2009
Most of the posters on this site have no real interest in "causes". They are far more concerned with following fashion and fads. Americans by and large are shallow and vapid. They have been conditioned to be that way for decades.

This article about FaceBook, that I recently cited from The Guardian, explains it quite well...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

"Thiel's philosophical mentor is one René Girard of Stanford University, proponent of a theory of human behaviour called mimetic desire. Girard reckons that people are essentially sheep-like and will copy one another without much reflection. The theory would also seem to be proved correct in the case of Thiel's virtual worlds: the desired object is irrelevant; all you need to know is that human beings will tend to move in flocks. Hence financial bubbles. Hence the enormous popularity of Facebook. Girard is a regular at Thiel's intellectual soirees. What you don't hear about in Thiel's philosophy, by the way, are old-fashioned real-world concepts such as art, beauty, love, pleasure and truth."
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SamEllison
I feel so clean!
03:09 AM on 06/25/2009
I got this earlier tonight;

"If you twitter, set your location to Tehran and your time zone to GMT +3.30. Security forces are hunting for bloggers using location/timezone searches. The more people at this location, the more of a logjam it creates for forces trying to shut Iranians' access to the internet down. Cut & paste & please pass it on."