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Vintage59
We are one third of the way to the Promised Land.
08:10 PM on 12/04/2012
Being a full adult is just a little bit too scary for way too many American men. The juvenile fantasies of grown men are one of the leading causes of death.
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maildarter
07:59 AM on 12/05/2012
Your attitude is sexist, straight up.
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Flycfi
07:11 PM on 12/04/2012
This is what Costas' should have said.
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sandhillsrider
tail lights and dust trails
06:42 PM on 12/04/2012
I would like to point out the hypocrisy of Bob Costas' anti-gun rant. Everywhere Costas goes and works he is surrounded by ARMED guards. The average American can not afford the luxury of paid armed guards to protect them. I noticed he never mentioned that. He also never mentioned that concussions, head injuries and steroids are common in the NFL and can lead to violent reactions.
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sandhillsrider
tail lights and dust trails
06:33 PM on 12/04/2012
A lot of violence comes from the Hollywood glamorized gang culture. You hear the young men saying they are not getting their due respect so they must kill the offender. Broken families, unwed mothers and above all the persecution of religion leaves aimless youth possessing not an ounge of guilt or responsibility. Add to that the "give me free stuff" society this country has become is spiraling into decay. I am glad I got to grow up in the 50's and 60's. I would not want to be a young person today.
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maggie34298
08:11 PM on 12/04/2012
I think that if you look at the gun massacres over the last few years you will find that the shooter came from a two parent home in a middle class neighborhood. It's easy to blame this on single mothers, broken families, lack of religion and Hollywood but in most instances, this just isn't true. As Treadway said, we need to look in the mirror.
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Larry Brickey
11:40 PM on 12/04/2012
I own firearms and have no problem looking in the mirror. Well, not because of guns, anyway! I have not pulled a gun on anyone and would never do so unless I was completely sure my life or my companions life was in danger. Guns are deadly and require respect and, in my opinion, handguns should require training and a license.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
05:45 PM on 12/04/2012
Football is one of several violent sports. While perhaps not as directly brutal as ultimate fighting, wrestling, kick-boxing, regular boxing, football still ends up having a lot of people knock each other around, and, on occasion, it gets nasty, both on and off the field. What's the attraction, here? It's been said that some people go to these games to watch people get hurt. They live for the Big Hits, the beat-downs, the intense, violent competition. What's the 'draw', here? And, this is just one violent contest shown on national/international television that gets people riled up and fired up and next thing you know, they're burning down the stadium and kicking the crap out of each other in the parking lot etc.  It speaks to a bloodthirsty attitude on the part of the fans, and entertainment networks able/willing to fan the flames, and profit thereby. But, that action doesn't stop with sports, now, you have bleeding-edge news, the nationally televised spectacle that's existed for the last 20-30 years, where if there's some kind of violent conflagration going on, somewhere, it becomes the Main Event on Channel 1.  And, don't forget your war coverage while you're at it.   Some people in this country are very much in favor of the beat-down, law of the jungle, might makes right, that kind of thing. Maybe, at the end of the day, we're not as far from that cave as we like to imagine. Primal man still wants that skull-smash, the triumph, the victory.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
04:54 PM on 12/04/2012
we have guns to protect us from an overbearing government.....i dont see where that threat will be leaving us anytime soon.
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
04:25 PM on 12/04/2012
not having a gun will not necessarily prevent a murder
however, having a gun makes it easier and an attack more lethal

not having a gun will not necessarily prevent a suicide
however, having a gun makes it more likely the attempt will be successful

in all cases having a gun does not statistically make you safer - quite the opposite.
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
06:03 PM on 12/04/2012
If you where a murder or suicidal,
But hey dont mention the fact that firearms have saved many lifes also and have prevented many crimes
10:32 PM on 12/04/2012
"in all cases having a gun does not statistically make you safer - quite the opposite. "

Wrong. But good to know liberals are still gullible enough to cite a study from 1979, that surveyed 49 shootings in two counties in Tennessee, deliberately included criminal-on-criminal violence, and whose author was drummed out of academic circles for falsifying evidence when his initial research didn't support the preconceived notions dictated to him by his Joyce Foundation grants.
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SouPro
Southern. Progressive.
04:00 PM on 12/04/2012
Dan, you've made the same mistake Costas:

Costas said that all handguns owners are dangerous, deeply flawed, easy to escalate arguments, and are drawn to conflict.

Above, you've said all members of a "gun culture" are bizarre, cowardly, worship/glorify guns, irrational, ridiculous, and incapable of introspection.

There are over 80 million gun owners in this country. It's unlikely one would find many that would use the words above to describe themselves. And were someone to use those words for example, to describe how you chose to cast your vote, you'd likely be offended to say the least.

You claim to want to begin a conversation, examine the problem, find the culprits, dole out responsiblity, and provide a meaningful fix. How does your description of "gun culture" members fit into this? It's more than apparent that you don't want a conversation, but a one-way lecture where you say who the culprits are (members of "gun culture"), what punishment is fitting, and the fix that best fits your needs.

If there's a solution to be had, then you and Costas are currently not part of it. You can both either find it in yourselves to consider the legitimate interests of your previously vilified groups, you can get out of the way and stick to what you do best, or you can continue to use your positions to broadcast name calling, and blame others for not taking your ignorant rants seriously.
06:27 PM on 12/04/2012
I don't think Dan or Costas feel that all handgun owners are dangerous. Obviously they are not. It's just that your gun is more likely to be used to hurt or kill someone by accident than it is to protect you.
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SouPro
Southern. Progressive.
08:37 PM on 12/04/2012
Since a handgun cannot possess any of the qualities that Dan or Costas listed, unless they believe gun manufacturers hire wizards to imbue each gun with malice then those properties belong to voluntary operators.

The only study that ever made that claim studied 43 deaths in a selected region (if memory serves it was a county in Washington St. . Of those 43 deaths, 37 were suicides. Some of the others involved criminal activity. He (Kellerman) compared this to the number of times a fatal home defense occurred. Since 0.1% of all firearm self-defense results in a fatality, (criminals can be scared off by the gun/verbal warning, injured, the shot can miss, the criminal can give up) the study is either useless or deeply flawed. What the study shows is that houses where firearms are present are more likely to hurt a person in their own home (including suicide) than to kill an intruder.

I'll challenge you as well, how do you expect to have a conversation with members of "gun culture" with shallow social science? You're telling me that I was unaware that I was putting my family at enormous risk. (or that I did know and I was being irresponsible) In reality, I'm much more aware of the risks and dangers. The entire gun debate is built upon false premises and assumptions that are widely discredited, but are too profitable to stop using.
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crosswiredmind
homo sapiens sapiens
03:23 PM on 12/04/2012
So according to the World Health Organization, alcohol causes close to 4 percent of all deaths worldwide. That is higher than AIDS, tuberculosis or violence. Maybe some of your righteous indignation should be aimed in that direction.
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maggie34298
08:13 PM on 12/04/2012
Another false comparison from a gun enthusiast.
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crosswiredmind
homo sapiens sapiens
09:18 AM on 12/05/2012
Not a false comparison at all. The consumption of alcohol, AIDS, and violence  are causes of death that are driven by behavior and choice.
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laniefisher3
01:11 PM on 12/05/2012
FYI, the LEADING CAUSE OF INJURY TO WOMEN in this country between the ages of 15 and 44 is Domestic Violence. Wow right back to the reason why the guy committed this crime in the first place! It's not falls, accidental knife cuts in the kitchen, accident gun cleaning incidents...it's MEN HURTING WOMEN! Why is THIS not the outrage rather than the gun issue????
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crosswiredmind
homo sapiens sapiens
02:32 PM on 12/05/2012
Bingo. That is exactly what my wife said immediately after Bob Cotas' diatribe.
02:21 PM on 12/04/2012
I don't get it. you say it's taboo. But here you are speaking it. It doesn't seem so taboo to me.
05:14 PM on 12/06/2012
That would be them trying to rationalize why they keep losing the debate. If it is taboo and you can't talk about it then you haven't lost and aren't wasting everybody's time.
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Anonymous Conservative
Cynical atheist.
02:06 PM on 12/04/2012
They chose to play football. They LOVED playing football.

As for the guns, well, you are never going to take my guns. Don't even try it.
02:05 PM on 12/04/2012
Lets look in your mirror for a second. I'm gonna guess you got beat up by jocks every day in high school. I'm gonna guess you've never fired a weapon or even held a gun in your hand. You site 6 NFL players suicides as a gun violence epidemic and neglect to mention that 80 MILLION other gun owners in this country who manage not to kill themselves or anyone else every day. Why don't you rail against steroid use that almost certainly contributed to their mental state? Why not focus your efforts on what drove him to act out? Perhaps mention that there is a serious problem glorifying ganstas in pro sports? Or how about you stop trying to work out your personal inadequacies in the form of self declaration as our nation's moral compass? I happen to like football and guns. When the two wind up in the same place at the same time, its less about each individually and more about other stuff.
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Michael Steaphens
Liberalism=FAIL
02:19 PM on 12/04/2012
Very well said,alpina!
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
04:27 PM on 12/04/2012
In basic training I was taught one thing well - don't ever point a weapon at someone you don't intend to kill.

Guns, especially handguns, kill - period.

So we talk about gun violence and gun ownership - why does that frighten you so much? Perhaps you are the one working on some issues.
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
06:07 PM on 12/04/2012
Firearm ownership is up and the crime rate is down, Gun control is not Crime Control
06:31 PM on 12/04/2012
I agree. He sounds to me like he has some past events that are affecting him and some major issues that need work.
01:38 PM on 12/04/2012
"and that the refusal to meaningfully fix them has and will cost lives. "

Cite for me one single gun control measure proposed by the Democrat party that has proven to save lives.

Because the closest you'll get to an unbiased source is the CDC study that proves that limiting access to firearms reduces gun suicides, at which point I'll post the unbiased studies that show the vast majority of suicide victims then sought other means.
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
04:29 PM on 12/04/2012
suicide by other means - often not successful
suicide by gun - almost always successful
06:32 PM on 12/04/2012
The Democratic Party has not proposed any gun control or legislation. But fewer guns out there means less gun violence. Period.
06:48 PM on 12/04/2012
Wrong.
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DeclineToState
Cogito, ergo armatum
01:16 PM on 12/05/2012
-- "The Democratic Party has not proposed any gun control or legislation. But fewer guns out there means less gun violence. Period.'

Actually, both of your statements are demonstrably false. Period.

1. The following gun control legislation was introduced by and co-sponsored by Democrats during the current Congress:

S. 436: Fix Gun Checks Act of 2011

112th Congress, 2011–2012

A bill to ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale."

"S. 32: Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act

112th Congress, 2011–2012

A bill to prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes."

"S. 3458: Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2012

112th Congress, 2011–2012

A bill to require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition."

2. Several news stories have reported record levels of gun sales during President Obama's first term. Added to pre-existing guns, there are MORE "guns out there" than ever. And during that same time period, murders committed with firearms have DECREASED every year (actually it's five years in a row). So MORE "guns out there" and LESS gun violence.
01:34 PM on 12/04/2012
" but because the idea of wielding a firearm or having one close by for the most part doesn't really bother us."


As well it shouldn't. What should bother us is people who seek to stigmatize and restrict the behavior of others based on stigmatization perpetuated solely by those who are bothered.
03:48 PM on 12/04/2012
Or maybe those who are killed by them?
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
04:31 PM on 12/04/2012
Tell that to the father of the girl who was killed, tell that to the father of a kid who was playing with a gun, tell that to a suicide victims family, tell that to the tens or thousands of murder victims families.

Do guns kill - no, people do - guns just make it a whole lot easier and the results more lethal.
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
06:12 PM on 12/04/2012
In Pearl, Mississippi, the assistant principal carried a firearm to the school until the 1995 "Gun-Free School Zones" law passed, afterwards he began locking his firearm in his car and parking at least a quarter-mile away from the school. When the shooting started, he ran to his car, got his gun, ran back, disarmed the shooter and held him on the ground until the police arrived. Had the law not been passed, the assistant principal might have prevented the two deaths and seven shooting-related injuries.
06:49 PM on 12/04/2012
And? 
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charleyvldm9
He thinks outside the box.
12:31 PM on 12/04/2012
Americans are obsessed with Sex,Guns, and Football, which are a permanent fixture of their culture, and they prefer to die than modify or give up any of these hobbies.
alto2
I fed my micro-bio to the microfiche.
07:28 PM on 12/04/2012
As I see it (and as do many psychiatrists), the difficulty in some cases arises when some men confuse (or substitute) one piece of equipment they own with some other piece of equipment they possess, and try to compensate for the inadequacy of one with the "fire power" of the other. Real men don't have to do that.
10:35 PM on 12/04/2012
A modern psychiatrist, claiming that Freud is still valid when his theories haven't been respected for 30+ years? No wonder you're a Democrat.

And what did Freud also say about the underlying causes of intense and irrational revulsions?

It means liberals just want to go shooting, too.
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DeclineToState
Cogito, ergo armatum
12:57 PM on 12/05/2012
Not that trite cliche about gun = penis again. Please. *facepalm*

One of the fastest growing groups of gun owners: women. Are claiming all of those women have penis envy? *rolls eyes*

Gun control advocates can't make logical, rational arguments for their policies, so they resort to snickering ad hominem pseudo-psychiatric attacks.