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defdes
03:02 PM on 07/14/2009
Let's not criticize it, let's Socialize it!
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
03:07 PM on 07/14/2009
Medicare for all!

Ask congress to work with Sen. Sanders (S.703), Rep. John Conyers (H.R. 676), and Gov. Dean on public health care.
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Earl
Praying for evolution of human species...
03:19 PM on 07/14/2009
Maybe phase it in by lowering the age of coverage each year.
03:02 PM on 07/14/2009
What I want to know is why Congress is mucking up a health care reform bill with pork. No one is asking for free health care (yet) just health care that EVERYONE can afford. I wish I had a $70 premium!
03:06 PM on 07/14/2009
Really, my deductible is 3 times more than that a month.
03:12 PM on 07/14/2009
What the heck is a monthly deductible?
03:02 PM on 07/14/2009
I grew up in Germany. I always felt taken care and I felt safe. If ever anything would have happened I know the doctors will figure it out. Here I am not so sure. Did you know that ambulance have to have a real doctor in the car. What I paid for insurance and co-pay was a lot less than here. When you are unemployed you are still covered. I also worked in the Philippines. The medication I have to take cost $1200 here and $110 there. Unlike in the US it was factory sealed and it was from a government certified pharmacy. Because of my condition, I am broke. Even with health insurance that buys you a lot less then 10 Years ago. Understand me right, I love this country, I just can't afford it.
03:00 PM on 07/14/2009
I was in a skiing accident in Switzerland a few years ago and wound up in a private clinic in St. Moritz. I was attended to immediately by a doctor, had x-rays and had my fractured clavicle stabilized within an hour. My break was particularly bad and I was told i needed surgery. The attending physician said he could put me on the surgery schedule the very next morning. I did have to pay for my care at the time. The only problem I had was in getting reimbursed by my American health insurance.
02:59 PM on 07/14/2009
Why as US citizens do we put up with poor healthcare? Why? When did we accept and allow insurance companies to dictate our health? Where is the outrage? Are we more concern everyone is a born again Christian than healthcare? What the heck is the problem? Iran, who is not considered a democratic country, had outrage over the presidential elections. The citizens of Houduras are fighting against the coup? What the heck is the problem with US Citizens? Reading these stories makes me more determine to leave this country once I complete my degree.
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Mort
Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
03:00 PM on 07/14/2009
Buh bye
06:25 PM on 07/14/2009
Ah Mort - way to go - country before conscience - you're an awesome super human
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Earl
Praying for evolution of human species...
03:07 PM on 07/14/2009
"...all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Declaration of Independence
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
02:57 PM on 07/14/2009
See also:

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/americans-whove-used-cana_b_215256.html
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02:56 PM on 07/14/2009
Soon you are going to see the anti Government Option crowd with the Health Care Insurance talking point posting their garbage here.
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lj9283
Why is "Carried Interest" not taxed as Income?
03:08 PM on 07/14/2009
You mean the ones who heard from a guy who had a cousin who had who told a story about this guy who .......and so on and so on.........
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02:56 PM on 07/14/2009
Every year, I spend Christmas in Jalisco, Mexico. A couple of years ago, right before my trip, I came down with a nasty cold that was being passed around my office. I thought I had it under control, but within a few days of arriving in Jalisco I sounded like an old furnace. I went to a local general practitioner recommended by several individuals. After waiting for about ten minutes, I was ushered into the doctor's office. She listened to my list of complaints and then examined me. After one listen to my lungs, she asked how I felt about getting a steroid shot. I said "shoot away."

I barely felt the needle go in. She quizzed me about any allergies to medications, and after hearing my list of lethal (to me, anyway) antibiotics, she prescribed six days' worth of Cipro and a weeks' worth of heavy-duty decongestant/expectorant. Within 24 hours, I felt 1,000% better, and I didn't pay for the follow-up visit to her office the day before I left.

Total bill, for the two office visits, the shot and the drugs: $65.00

Mexico's diagnosticians are far superior to those in the U.S, and no M.D. here would give a steroid injection for a cough threatening to go into pneumonia. Nope, they put you on oral steroids for three weeks instead, so you're still wheezing from the cough AND you're depressed from the steroids.
02:55 PM on 07/14/2009
Thanks for all the people who shared their health care stories from around the world. I don't think the U.S. will ever have such wonderful care because we have to many lobbyist trying to prevent us from getting it.
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
05:09 PM on 07/14/2009
Sam, you nailed the problem. Congress is bought and paid for. You don't stand a chance. You will only be allowed what they let you have; and only when they figure out how to game the system.
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Earl
Praying for evolution of human species...
02:52 PM on 07/14/2009
My son got sick on Christmas eve in New Zealand, and was subjected to their "socialized medicine." We arrived at the urgent care clinic at 8:00 a.m. on Christmas Day and had to wait 20 whole minutes to see a doctor. Then we went down the street where he picked up his prescription and they gave him a free stuffed animal toy. $100 covered everything and we were not subscribers to their system. Another time, my wife had to get an x-ray there. A full hour's wait and a whole $100, later, we were on our way. When we got back to our hotel room, we discovered that they had burned a DVD of the x-ray and had a courier bring it to our hotel and slip it under our hotel room door. Americans are afraid of change because the US insurance companies use our own premiums to fund astroturf organizations to scare us. We must not let fear stop us from achieving the goal of healthcare for all.
02:50 PM on 07/14/2009
I think we should also look for comments on foreign people who have had health problems while visiting America. Number one...even to check into triage with an emergency room costs $500.00. I myself witnessed an American man around 80 years old who chose to wait in his car in a parking lot with his desperately ill wife who subsequenly died because he refused (or couldn't) pay $500 for waiting in the emergency waiting room. I subsequently learned he was a professor at a University in New Hampshire.
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lessbs
not rich enough to be a republican
02:56 PM on 07/14/2009
Plus--just to get through the emergency room may take all day and you still may not be able to see a DR. (Personal experience associated with major accidents and serious pneumonia).
02:57 PM on 07/14/2009
I want to add that this was at Doctor's Hospital in Sarasota, Florida and I would be happy to supply details if anyone needs to verify.
02:47 PM on 07/14/2009
I would expect that the people who have had questionable experiences will show up here too. The USA has good medical care, it just is not for everybody. That seems to be the issue, doesn't it. Too expensive, getting to be elitist and not everybody has acsess. Too bad..our congress, the weatlhy and the insurance companies tend to thumb their noses at other countries..who seem to do a better job and often don't have the same advanced techniques or equipment. The fear of having to live alittle more modestly has to drive this selfish attitude I would think.
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erinker
03:00 PM on 07/14/2009
I am a US citizen with very good health coverage. I have never been seen in an ER in under three hours (excepting the time my blood sugar was 46 - they get you in very quickly with that). And even after you finally get into a room, it usually takes three or four more hours to diagnose and treat you, and heaven forbid you need an X-Ray! And that will cost me AT LEAST $500!
03:13 PM on 07/14/2009
You need to have chest pain...learn 'the ropes'. It can go away while you are waiting on the gurney.
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Earl
Praying for evolution of human species...
03:22 PM on 07/14/2009
Emergency rooms cannot turn away the uninsured. So that's where they go for everything they need, emergency or not, and I don't blame them, I'd do the same thing. The long lines are there to discourage people from coming.
02:46 PM on 07/14/2009
I am a Canadian...over the years I have had my appendix and gallbladder removed, had polyps removed, two minor back surgeries, numerous cysts removed, a broken foot, treatment for osteoperosis, regular pap tests and mammegrams done and much much more...my husband had a prostectomy, a couple of broken bones, and my daughter bore three children and so much more over the years for us all....Our cost: ZIP. NADA. Bupkis.
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Earl
Praying for evolution of human species...
02:54 PM on 07/14/2009
AND, if you really want private health insurance, you can buy it.
02:58 PM on 07/14/2009
Please inform all the unemployed, underemployed, under payed, homeless, and bankrupt people of your outstanding intelligent idea.
03:25 PM on 07/14/2009
Sorry Earl.
In Canada it is illegal to sell private health insurance for services that are already covered by Canada's Universal Health Care. We ARE free to purchase insurance for cosmetic surgery and other elective care, which is not covered.
03:11 PM on 07/14/2009
You are misleading b/c most people in Canada also carry sublemental medical insurance and it is in fact provided for by such unions as teachers, etc. I don't know of anyone w/o it. The province pays the doc what they want and he asks for a co-pay or you go to someone else.

You are not being accurate for the majority...also, whenever you travel you need supplemental ins. to cover you for wherever you go, province covers diddley squat.
09:53 PM on 07/14/2009
No, you are the one that is misleading. I'm Canadian and I have never had to pay a co-pay to see any doctor. I just give them my health card and the visit and any treatments are paid for. I have supplemental insurance through my employer (who pays all the premiums) for things such as prescriptions, dental, and eye care.
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FrankenPC
02:45 PM on 07/14/2009
It really depends on the US hospital. The Hayward Kaiser Permanente facility is insanely fast and efficient. But, if you go to the Oakland Kaiser, it sucks hard.
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Delphine
02:54 PM on 07/14/2009
They're not talking about "speed". They're talking about the COST.

Opponents of a single payer system in the U.S. criticize foreign systems for being inefficient, the waits too long, etc.

These anecdotes tend to show that not only do these systems provide health care at little or no charge to the patient, but are ALSO efficient and effective.

Even if YOU don't pay for your Kaiser premiums, likely someone in your family or your employer does. Plus you have a copay for prescription medication.

It has nothing to do with whether a specific hospital is efficient or not. A lot of people with health insurance here still go broke because their copays are too high or the ins company cancels them or denies coverage if they really get sick.

In a single payer system, there is no incentive to withhold treatment to "save money" (for stockholders). You get the treatment you need, period.
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FrankenPC
03:05 PM on 07/14/2009
Actually, the Kaiser system is pretty good. The Dr's are incentivised (not a word?) to NOT waste time. I typically just email my Dr when I need something and he uses the electronic submission system to submit a prescription. Boom. Done. Fast. Using my ols PPO system, I would HAVE to go into the Dr's office so he/she would get their money. Kaiser isn't based on that principle.
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FrankenPC
03:06 PM on 07/14/2009
FYI: Have you seen taxes in foreign countries with socialist systems like medical? It's INSANE. Most of your money goes into the government coffers.
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02:57 PM on 07/14/2009
Yup - I go to Kaiser San Francisco, which is fabulous. But I've had experiences with Oakland and Redwood City Kaisers, and I agree with you 100%.
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FrankenPC
03:02 PM on 07/14/2009
Kaiser isn't expensive either. They don't have any limits on how far they will go to treat you. It's a pretty good system.
02:44 PM on 07/14/2009
Health care is wonderful in America if you are rich and/or a politician.
02:51 PM on 07/14/2009
That sums it up perfectly.