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VirginiaDreaming
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
01:06 PM on 01/25/2013
Ms. Stodghill arrived at the hospital seven months pregnant, but with a blot clot that triggered a massive heart attack. She could not be saved, but the babies could. The OB-GYN on call did not respond to his page, so no one did the emergency c-section and the babies died. Hospital staff made a mistake resulting in two deaths. To avoid paying a lawsuit, the hospital is hiding behind a Colorado law not designed to face this situation, and which contradicts the principles of the catholic church and the hospital.
No where in the bishops' statement is a commitment to take responsibility for the hospital's mistake and make it right. In fact, all I see is the bishops' promise to make sure the hospital is not violating the church's dogma in other ways. And to pray for the father, trying to cope with the fact that the hospital killed two of his children when no one on staff acted responsibly to save two viable babies. Sometimes prayer is not enough.
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03:37 PM on 01/25/2013
VirginiaDreaming, thank you for the back story. But a couple of thing bother me.Why when the OB did not answer his page,were the police not sent to knock on his door? Why was the back up OB not called? You gotta have back up in case two women go into labor at once. Also how come the general surgeon on call was not notified? He has training in OB also. This sounds like such a sad cluster F***, I would hope the church, the hospital and all staff involved would have the ba**s to formally apologize and make restitution. This family lost a daughter, sister, friend and mother to unborn twins, thru negligence and dereliction of duty. Man up, apologize and help this family find peace. F&F"D
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VirginiaDreaming
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
07:55 PM on 01/25/2013
You are absolutely right, the staff should have stepped in and done the right thing when the on call OB-GYN did not respond. More than likely everyone waited on someone else and no one did anything. If the hospital did the right thing, right away they may have succeeded helping this family to heal. Instead they covered their butts, and the church's hypocritical blame someone else/pretend nothing happened machinery kicked in.Like I have said before, there are so many good catholic people. They deserve better from the church officials.
12:58 PM on 01/25/2013
didnt take the Bishops long to get on this but they spent decades letting alter boys get raped and didnt do a thing...these people are dispicable..
02:19 PM on 01/25/2013
How are things in la la land?
02:29 PM on 01/25/2013
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GraphicMatt
Some people take the microbio way too seriously.
03:21 PM on 01/25/2013
You should know best Captain Denial.
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3RawBob
My Bible: the Jefferson Bible
12:35 PM on 01/25/2013
This problem was solved in Massachusetts by getting the legislature to pass a law that the maximum liability for other than actual expenses for a non-profit is $20,000. Lawyers tend not to take cases that have a cap on awards of $20,000. It is also the reason that all priest abuse cases are settled without a trial.
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PlumDumpling
Oh my paws and whiskers!
01:51 PM on 01/25/2013
OMG. Say it is not so.
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Fking
Seize the time
12:25 PM on 01/25/2013
When will the Catholic Bishops undertake a "full review" of the "policies and practices" that allow the priest to continue abuse against children and their elderly and widowed parishioners?
02:20 PM on 01/25/2013
They already did - years ago.
03:24 PM on 01/25/2013
I guess the former bishop of Los Angeles didn't get that memo.
12:16 PM on 01/25/2013
A fetus is a developmental stage, defined by age since fertilization and morphological development- it is can be a dog fetus, pig fetus, chicken fetus or human fetus-- not all at the same time of course. A human fetus is a developmental stage. Catholics and other want to believe that some mythological entity places a soul in zygotes or whenever???? and thus achieve some special status-- they are speaking of something they can not in any nanoscopic part prove. It is just their "belief" and offers no more credibility than their belief in Santa claus or the tooth fairy. That anyone should be forced to act, behavior or pay credence to their unprovable belief is a travesty of intelligence in a world that has moved beyond belief in an earth centric solar system, and voodoo magic.
01:49 PM on 01/25/2013
Adolescence is also a developmental stage. Should we allow children and teenagers to get killed because they are still developing?... Your argument is flawed.

Life has 7 characteristics that define a living being without these 7 characteristics a "thing" is not living. It is what differentiates a rock from a plant or animal. The 7 Characteristics are: 1. Made of Cells. 2. Different levels of organization. 3. Use energy. 4. Respond to environment. 5. Grow. 6. Reproduce. 7. Adapt to Environment.

A fetus meets all of these requirements and therefore is alive from the moment the cells start replicating (reproducing).
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jdryv
non cogitamus, ergo nihil sumus
01:46 PM on 01/26/2013
there is a distinction between an adolesent and fetus. an adolescent has been born and has recognized rights to life, liberty and property according to the united states constitution. the unborn are not recognized in the united states as having those same rights. the fetus is not a person according to the united states constitution.
02:21 PM on 01/25/2013
A human fetus has a new set of DNA that is unique across all other humans .
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:45 PM on 01/25/2013
And until that fetus is capable of surviving outside the womb, the OWNER of the womb has rights that are more important than the fetus'
03:58 PM on 01/25/2013
What about you... were you born with a few damaged chromosomes??? Aaaah the perfect Catholic....
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Ray Campbell
It's called Faith, because it's not Knowledge
12:12 PM on 01/25/2013
The fact that they contradict themselves with their own words and actions shouldn't surprise anyone.

How does a superstitious group that doesn't know or understand the difference between a zygote and an embryo, has no idea just what parasitic life is, and not an iota of a clue as to what sentience is and when it develops, nor what the medical definition of conception is; how can they make definitive statements on biological processes with all of that ignorant, superstitious and often pseudo-scientific bias?

But we've allowed it to go this far, it's our fault. What's wrong with us?
Why do we give so much authority to groups with an irrational belief arising from ignorance and/or fear?

The response from the bishops was all insult, with Zero apology or remorse for the trauma they've caused Stodghill family. It was disgusting and offensive to read their response.
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PlumDumpling
Oh my paws and whiskers!
01:55 PM on 01/25/2013
Yes, disgusting and offensive. But most modern in other ways. They have hired a publicist who formerly worked with Fox News to help them with public relations. May be why we are getting all the gushing and photos about the pope using twitter.
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Ray Campbell
It's called Faith, because it's not Knowledge
03:37 PM on 01/25/2013
Fox?! No kidding? Lol, thanks for that info. I'm going to have fun rippin that to shreds! 3:)
02:22 PM on 01/25/2013
I know what parasitic life is - it is not gestation.
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Ray Campbell
It's called Faith, because it's not Knowledge
03:33 PM on 01/25/2013
Ok, Asmondius. 
Here are some examples on how pregnancy/gestation is a parasitic relationship:The Z/E/F sucks the nutrients from the mother.
The "relationship" only benefits the fetus.The mother's organs and body parts become damaged.The fetus controls the mother.The fetus doesn't give anything "back".

These are all parasitic attributes.
The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasitePregnancy harms women: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

So, the choice is up to the parents and ultimately, the carrier of the parasite. The HUMAN fetus is biologically a parasite, just look at the symbiotic relationship during the time of it's gestation--it fits every definition of parasite:

"an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host".

Cool variation on your name btw, I like it.
05:55 PM on 01/25/2013
Parasitic.... Living off the Host without contributing anything to the parnership... Perfect definition of the church...!
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Aerin Gael
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
12:12 PM on 01/25/2013
all religion is BS
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signgrrl
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01:35 PM on 01/25/2013
amen ! oh, wait . . . . .
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mojo1436
03:39 PM on 01/25/2013
OMG...oh wait...LMAO!!!! Sad story, bad for laughing but i could not help it!!
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PlumDumpling
Oh my paws and whiskers!
01:56 PM on 01/25/2013
Not so. Making generalizations is bullshit. All generalizations are incorrect including this one.
romano70
If conservatives were smart, they'd be liberals
12:02 PM on 01/25/2013
Well, the Catholic Church is also against sex outside (straight) marriage and we all know how that went for the abuse victims. From Vatican banks laundering mafia money to bishops who deny the holocaust, all the way through a pope who was in the Nazi youth, it is no mystery that the church is hypocritical and morally bankrupt.
12:36 PM on 01/25/2013
I would have to agree with you that the bishops dealt with the largely same sex sexual abuse very badly. We now know that 80% of victims were adolescent boys.There is a need to be intolerant. As for the accusation of Nazi sympathy, do please read " The Myth of Hitler's Pope" by Rabbi Dalin. And there are hypocritical people in the Church, in journalism, in politics, in schools and it is everywhere. I even met an atheist who was somewhat hypocritical.
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design & production
01:36 PM on 01/25/2013
you might ''enjoy'' reading In God's Name, by David Yallop, if you haven't already.
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PlumDumpling
Oh my paws and whiskers!
01:57 PM on 01/25/2013
Link me to your source for the 80% figure please. I report on this and it is news to me.
02:28 PM on 01/25/2013
oh boy....

Yes, the Church is against extramarital sex - the rising number of fatherless children in the USA seems to indicate they know what they are talking about. We keep building bigger prsions to hold more fatherless men.

Vatican banks have not been laundering Mafia money - not sure where you got this from.

The bishop who has denied the Holocaust is not a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

There was no such thing as 'nazi youth',

No charge for the tuneup.
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Cye
09:08 AM on 01/26/2013
Fatherless children? Easy. Stop teaching guilt and shame about the sex act, advocate for comprehensive sex eduation, as well as the correct use of condoms and other contraceptives. But oh yes, the church doesnt do any of that that. It does the opposite. And so it contributues to the very problems it claims to be concerned about. Yes, we know how that works. Which is why not even Catholics take the church seriously on issues of sex and reproduction.
11:52 AM on 01/26/2013
There is no such thing as a "fatherless" child. Women cannot create babies all by themselves. All children have fathers. The question is will the fathers take personal responsibility for the children they helped to create?

Mothers can't walk away from the creation of the child, since they carry the child inside their bodies. Fathers have a choice and many of them make the wrong one.

I say this as a child who was raised without a father. Let me repeat that. I was RAISED without a father. I HAVE a father. I am not a "fatherless" child; I am a child whose father walked away from his personal responsibility.
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LTM
11:51 AM on 01/25/2013
Hospital Group investigates Catholic Bishops that argued in lawsuit that children are not prey.
02:29 PM on 01/25/2013
Sorry they has to shut you down.
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jaypem
11:51 AM on 01/25/2013
I believe the term the Church preaches against is "situational ethics."

This statement and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee.
02:30 PM on 01/25/2013
The bishops in this case are adhering to the ancient beliefs of trhe Church - what is 'situational' about it?
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jaypem
10:09 AM on 02/02/2013
What is "situational" is having their lawyers arguing against "the ancient beliefs of the Church" in a Colorado courtroom when it is necessary to cover their financial rear end.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:48 PM on 01/25/2013
Depends upon the coffee.... But yeah!
fredgladys
Your Micro-bio is empty, I know, stop nagging.
11:49 AM on 01/25/2013
Is this what they call being caught on the Horns of a Dilemma, the money or the mythology, what to do, what to do.
02:30 PM on 01/25/2013
What money?
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Cye
09:31 AM on 01/26/2013
The money involved in a medical malpractice suit.
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Fenrir Lokison
I luv the sci fi of Evolution and the Big Bang
11:49 AM on 01/25/2013
One simple question...Where do human beings come from?
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Burnus Swarthout
searching for truth
12:54 PM on 01/25/2013
Beyond the stars are where the souls await to become lifeforms.upon death our soul travels to another world to become another life form.Youtube Mary Rodwell-the new humans parts 1 and 2.Also check out www.paradigmresearchgroup.org
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PlumDumpling
Oh my paws and whiskers!
01:59 PM on 01/25/2013
Other human beings. Try not to think about it. It is a Mobius strip. You will get on and never get off. Or turn into Kant.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
11:44 AM on 01/25/2013
"argued in medical malpractice lawsuit against it for the death two unborn children that fetuses are not people".... well just follow the money

things like that depend, ya know.
02:31 PM on 01/25/2013
Lawyers?
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Mr Hoodoo
"I Wish I Could Talk In Technicolor"
11:42 AM on 01/25/2013
Interesting, ...

...how conservatives/religionists are all a-quiver over things like fetuses, "patriotism", individual rights, free speech, religious freedom, until...

...until these things work against they and their money.

Then they couldn't be against any of those things and more fast enough.
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11:50 AM on 01/25/2013
and that's what this case came down to...money. The catholic church showed where it rests its truest faith and devotion.
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JPJABBER
'twas brillig and the slithey tode...
12:10 PM on 01/25/2013
Just like Congress...
02:32 PM on 01/25/2013
The Church is not the subject of the lawsuit.

Oooops.
02:32 PM on 01/25/2013
What money was involved in this tragedy?
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Robert Frano
‘Plausible Deniability’: NOT A FAMILY_VALUE!!
11:42 AM on 01/25/2013
Re: “From the moment of conception, human beings are endowed with dignity and with fundamental rights, the most foundational of which is life.”
{Most Rev. S.J.Aquila, S.T.L., Archbishop, Denver Archdiocese; Most Rev. M.Sheridan, S.Th.D, Bishop, Colorado Springs Diocese; Most Rev. Fernando Isern, Bishop, Pueblo Diocese}

www.bishopsaccountability.org is a non-denominational ‘clerical-pedophile’ & ‘clerical-supervisor-pedophile-justice-obstructor’ tracking site.
The current news archive has approximately 77 URL’s for 24.Jan.13.

The 77 URL’s I refer to above are NOT fiction! The majority refer to criminal activity, & he R.C.C.’s attempts to ‘weasel out’ of It’s moral / legal / civil responsibility; No matter how the various dioceses in question wish/pretend otherwise!

Let’s all remember:
A pair of prolifer-politicians led humanity into the ‘decade-plus’ corporate profiteering binge in Iraq & environs;
One of them re-affiliated into the R.C.C., noting that he’d “do Iraq, all over again”, though he’d spare the rest of us the imaginary W.M.D.’s - rhetoric;
…No doubt finding some more efficient ‘plausibly deniable’ excuse!

I can’t take this faith seriously, re ‘sanctity of human life’, when they admit brand new ‘true believers’ post international corporate blood wallow;
Additionally, Lap_Dog Blair has literally wallowed in the money collected off Middle East & other oil speculation;
And G.Bush remains at large, unpunished!

J.Ratzinger, (serial child rapist by proxy’), allows Mr. Blair to do so, while BOTH ignore war criminal - accusations, as if they’re NO B.F.D.! !