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11:36 PM on 09/03/2009
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No wonder this once great nation is falling apart.

Get us out NOW from the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

All eyes are Obama to get us out NOW.
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JackRusselTerrier
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11:35 PM on 09/03/2009
We shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place.

We didn't go there because of weapons of mass destruction, democracy, or to liberate the people of Iraq from dictatorship. It's all about oil, getting a foothold in the Middle East, and money.

Saddam Hussein was a dictator. He just wasn't one of "our" dictators any more. Did you know he switched over to the euro dollar instead of the petrol dollar? The petrol dollar system puts an incredible amount of money in the Federal Reserve Bank in NYC. This brings in billions from interest alone. England and America will be getting some nice contracts now from exploiting the oil fields too.

Defense contractors, Haliburton, and private armies all are reaping massive benefits, while at most, our soldiers are getting a little hazard pay. Extended tours of our soldiers are causing lives to be ripped apart by d3a1h, injuries, PTSD, divorce, and children without parents there to raise them. Never mind all the military hardware that will need to be replaced due to the harsh environment a war brings on equipment which will bring more money to the defence contractors.

It was all about oil, getting a foothold in the Middle East, and money. Period.
11:35 PM on 09/03/2009
The 2ionits neocon vvarmongers are novv seIIing yet again a "new" approach to continue the vvar. Don't believe them and demand to stop the vvar NOW!
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
11:33 PM on 09/03/2009
When I was 15, I heard a Viet Nam war analyst (don't recall who) say that the U.S. tends to be in a major new war about every 20 years, every generation. My blood ran cold; and I felt a shiver of dread that in that period, I might have a son involved. That premonition proved true with Iraq, as did the one that made my heart sink the morning GWB attacked. I knew that my son would not survive the war intact; in fact, I felt the certain that he would die. He came home blind and brain-damaged, but oh, he's alive. And he says he prefers blindness to losing his legs so he can still do Judo. He competes in tournaments all around the world - sighted teams. He's been invited to work with the Olympic team at Stanford (two of whom were blind) for the next 3 years, and he could even compete to be part of the team. I am proud of him, as I am of all of those who are willing to risk everything. It's time to stop the cycle before the next generation suffers the same fate.
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nm11928
La vida es pa' vivir.
11:13 PM on 09/03/2009
George Will doesn't bring anything to the table: while Bush was destroying Iraq, he kept bragging how wonderful the surge was fixing everything and keeping us safe in America. This guy has nothing to say that makes sense.
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BannedInBoston
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11:44 PM on 09/03/2009
Will's failings as a columnist (and I agree with you about those) are those of American conservatism in general. The only good thing about Will's about-face is that it may mean that conservatives are now "coming around" to the position that progressives have been promoting for years -- OUT NOW. If everyone is for it now, maybe something will be done to implement a complete withdrawal.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
11:13 PM on 09/03/2009
I wonder, will the wars end abruptly in shame when the people of Iraq & Afghanistan finally run us out, like Viet Nam? Do we wait for that, or try to withdraw gracefully a bit at a time? It can't start too soon for the rest of the world, those who are appalled at our actions. And yes, they do count. I don't do "My country, right or wrong". It we're wrong, we should fix it. Arrogance.
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RJII
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11:12 PM on 09/03/2009
somebody, standing next to George Will right now, please slap his a$$face.
George was one of the biggest fear mongers that churned the republican propaganda machine to get us needlessly in Iraq. Heck, I want him to apologize and volunteer to ship out.

Hagel is probably the only GOP leader with a clue. I admire him for standing up and supporting Obama on deployment homeward.
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11:08 PM on 09/03/2009
Why are we continuing such abhorrent actions?
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BannedInBoston
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11:50 PM on 09/03/2009
Good question. We're certainly not "winning hearts and minds" by continuing to blow people up and we're not even getting cheap oil out of it.
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11:07 PM on 09/03/2009
I share something with Hagel, that is that I could not watch films about Viet Nam for more than forty years. Why? Because I had visited regularly the El Paso Burn Center in Texas where my brother spent a year in 1966-67. The 19 year old kid walking in front of my brother stepped on a land mine. My brother got it in the face, both arms and both legs. He was one of the lucky ones. Did you know that although he lost part of his jaw and his perfect teeth that he is not entitled to dental care by the government? He must pay for those injuries himself. He was drafted and was in Viet Nam two weeks.
Those young men languishing and healing in the hospital in 1966 were missing arms legs, and some, one in particular I will never forget, was missing both arms and legs. Several ambulatory wounded and healing 19 year old Vets, wheeled him through the pathways while he was screaming. They did it just to remind him that he was alive.

Sending young men and women to fight wars requires real and necessary reason. Idealistic ethical considerations, such as Afghanistan simply do not hold water. I disagree with our well educated and contemplative President concerning this issue. I think we need to bring all our troops home from the middle east immediately. This is just another Viet Nam. Afghanistan is not attacking our nation and we are not imperialists.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
11:18 PM on 09/03/2009
I can't watch them either. Well, maybe Tropic Thunder. I am sorry for what your brother suffers and it is so wrong. I too spent time in the VA hospital recently with my son, and the loss of limbs bothers me even more than my son's blindness. They are in so much pain! My doctor told me last week of a wonderful young man who lost 3 limbs in Iraq - wait until he's 40. The pain will be even more excruciating. It's worse than Viet Nam; we've invented much better weapons of mass destruction here in our country since then.
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11:54 PM on 09/03/2009
eilish, I am so sorry about your son's injuries. You are so right, the weaponry damage is just incredibly worse now..words are not enough, but I wish you and your family well.
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LemonMeringue
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11:06 PM on 09/03/2009
Somebody already thought of that, George.

Shameless war promoter that you were, you do not get to weigh in on this subject.
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bighat
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10:59 PM on 09/03/2009
We are entering another Vietnam
10:56 PM on 09/03/2009
George was supported Booosh policies in Iraq ...No mention of leaving Iraq the Surge is working ..Now the neocons are in hurry to get out ...George care to pontificate What did we achieve in Iraq during the 8 years of war there?
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Dbos
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10:54 PM on 09/03/2009
I think george Will should just go away.He is so pathetic. nobody cares what he is pontificating on.
11:00 PM on 09/03/2009
He lost his mojo. He went out with the neocons.
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catgirl212
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11:04 PM on 09/03/2009
Give me a break this guy never had mojo. Thinking of him with a woman (or man) makes me want to vomit.
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LemonMeringue
Happy Birthday, Steve Jobs - Feb. 24th
11:06 PM on 09/03/2009
He only figured out the neocons are history, just this week.
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William50
10:51 PM on 09/03/2009
A fact normally ignored by the press, politicians and the American people is after you throw the individuals out, over turn a government by military force the people we put in place were not the ones who were willing to fight the last government anyway. So, we, with the help of the UN (ha, ha, ha) have put into government people who now have to fight, rebuild, make happen governments that may have the common mans backing but not the real military forces that are needed in these very different from America, lands.
Ten years, Seven years, sixty years, three hundred years (Africa/Europe) when the strong military leaves the people have to decide if they are willing to fight and die for their country or take a knee.
A hint here, 88% will take the knee, 5 percent are criminals that do not care who is in power and the rest are fighters....
The end will be civil war to determine the form of government...Who will win will be determined by those who are willing to fight and the materials they have to fight with. But the will is what is needed more then the equipment (Vietnam)
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PhilipTaylor
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10:47 PM on 09/03/2009
USA?: Decline of Roman Empire: Overexpansion+Armies +Mercenari es+Barbari ans (Wall Street)+Inflation!

Many historians speculate that the rapid growth of the empire over a relatively short period of time and the economic inflation that followed could have contributed substantially to the empire's decay. Due to incredible size of the military, it required a huge budget to maintain many key elements in its survival! At the time the empire was fighting enemies in many territories and contributing huge sums of silver and gold in order to keep up its armies.

Edward Gibbon famously placed the blame on a loss of civic virtue among the Roman citizens. They gradually entrusted the role of defending the Empire to Barbarian Mercenaries (Blackwater XE) who eventually turned on them.

Sounds like Wars and Contractors in Afghanistan and 1RAQ!
10:58 PM on 09/03/2009
I have a different take on the Roman Empire. It took centuries to deteriorate then it was transformed when the Ottomans came to power. The Roman Empire is no longer but it's effects remain in various parts of the world, as far as Scotland, Asia, North Africa, Middle East, Northern Europe and of course all along Southern Erurope.

We should look at the rapid deterioration of the British Empire. That's closer to home.
11:23 PM on 09/03/2009
They have gone through tough time like all countries but the British are doing just fine without their empire and I for one will be more than happy to see our status of military super power diminsh.
11:28 PM on 09/03/2009
Yes, the British decline is one to reflect upon.
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Dbos
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11:25 PM on 09/03/2009
ManI like you. you are prolific