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jthinker
08:36 PM on 03/23/2013
What always troubles me about the comments in response to this type of article, are that so many involve stating opinions as if they were facts. If we haven't actually studied the issue and haven't been trained in scientific research, then all we can comment on is our own preferences and experiences. Those observations, although perhaps interesting, do not generalize to anyone else but ourselves. So, it has no weight at all to say, ... because this was my experience, then everybody should benefit from it too, or others should do what I've done. Then, the conversation devolves into opinions that have really no basis in fact. This kind of discussion seems only to use up electrons and offers nothing new.
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seriouslyfalling
10:42 PM on 03/23/2013
Do you have any idea how often these "studies" are nothing more than a way to shove someone's theory down parents throats? And this study sounds like one of those! There are far too many parents out there who put nutritious meals on the table and their children eat with out complaint, to believe that humans are genetically programmed to be picky eaters! Humans were at one time hunters and gatherers and people ate what they found or starved, so our genetics cannot be one of picky eating! And there are far too many parents who finally got fed up with fixing meals for each child three times a day and finally put one meal on the table, said eat or go to bed hungry and found that their children will eat if their preferences are not catered too! They might miss a meal or two, but they will NOT starve themselves to death if you don't give them the bland food they prefer every meal!
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jthinker
11:13 PM on 03/23/2013
I get that you don't trust this research. I appreciate your opinion about it. But what I would like to see is how this study wasn't done well, or actual evidence that supports your point, otherwise, it's just your opinion, and as such doesn't really hold much weight.
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11:51 AM on 03/26/2013
Taking everything to the extreme is what you do a lot, I'm guessing. If you bothered to do some research like I did before commenting, you would have found out that these children will starve themselves to the point of no return.

There used to be a saying that ignorance is bliss, that was until we allowed the ignorant to use the internet.
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jthinker
08:27 PM on 03/23/2013
I wonder if there would be so much consumption of the beige foods, if children weren't introduced to them in the first place. You can't want what you don't know about.
08:18 PM on 03/23/2013
My 2 children were not picky eaters, they are now 25&28 yrs old. The only thing that I will not eat till this day is cooked spinach, even the smell is repulsive. I love raw spinach in a salad or wrap. I always told my children, this is not a restaurant, you eat what is made and what is here. Not a problem, then at the age of 11 my daughter decided to become a preemy vegetarian, no meats, but cheese and eggs. I accommodated her by having her eat more fruits,veggies, and some starches. She is now 28 and still eats this way. I gave my children different ethnic foods too, sometimes chinese,italian,mexican, whatever we were in the mood for, they still eat those foods too. It goes back to that old saying, "try it you'll like it." And another one was, try it , it isn't going to kill ya to try it, and how dya know if you'll like it or hate it if ya don't try it at least?! The problem with today's parents is that the are too afraid to lay the law down to little "Johnny or Suzy". The parents aren't in charge today, the kids are, this is a sad reality that I see far too often in todays society.
09:36 PM on 03/23/2013
I agree whole heartedly
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Sonia Silveroli
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09:51 PM on 03/23/2013
I'm thrilled that your kids turned out so fabulous, WOW, good for you! I too have a child who is now pushing 24 so that puts me in your arena and I can tell you this, your comments about parents today "not being in charge" is pathetic old school, even for "our" time.
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Cayita
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08:06 PM on 03/23/2013
So now there is a picky eater gene. It's up there along with the high school drop out gene and the teenage pregnant gene, because those two also run in the families.
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snewell
08:37 PM on 03/23/2013
OUCH!!
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CR46
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09:18 PM on 03/23/2013
Those are mostly caused by the financial situation of the family, there have been studies done. Poverty breeds poverty. The two most likely causes of being in poverty are dropping out and teen pregnancy.
07:50 PM on 03/23/2013
If this study only used identical twins (without a fraternal twin comparison), it is totally confounded with prenatal birth environment. We know that food substances make their way into mother's amniotic fluid, which is ingested by the fetus. THIS may predispose a child to later taste preferences.

If prenatal exposure to [limited] tastes was the cause, then pickiness should show up equally in identical & fraternal twins. If neophobia is due to genes, there should be higher rates of shared-pickiness in identical twins than fraternal.

IF the researchers did not have a fraternal twin group, it is a major flaw to conclude "genes" since they have not isolated "genes" alone as the cause. Even an undergraduate should know this.
10:33 PM on 03/23/2013
"IF the researchers did not have a fraternal twin group, it is a major flaw to conclude "genes" since they have not isolated "genes" alone as the cause. Even an undergraduate should know this."

That's exactly what they did. You should read the article.
09:04 AM on 03/24/2013
Wrong. From the article, "The study involved 66 pairs of identical twins four to seven years of age. It showed that 72 percent of a child's food avoidance is the result of genes, according to a statement issued by the university......"

NO Fraternal twin group; only an identical twin group.
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Lexi Suarez
07:38 PM on 03/23/2013
After an initial attempt by my parents to make me eat everything on my plate that did not go as planned for them, they learned to just let me eat what I liked and not eat what I didn't like. My mom would serve me the same dinner as everyone else, and if I didn't like something on my plate, I just wouldn't eat it. No arguments, simple as that. Once I got old enough to make stuff for myself my mom would just give me a warning "I'm making something you don't like for dinner, figure something out." What's so hard about that? I eat a lot of the foods now that I wouldn't touch as a kid. Some people pick the silliest battles.
01:41 AM on 03/25/2013
I agree. I say this with respect for you and your personal situation, but do you think you opted not to eat certain things as a way to control or to use someone else's words, "because you were a spoiled brat"?

Very curious
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Lexi Suarez
09:09 AM on 03/25/2013
I don't believe so. I honestly think it had more to do with my medication back then. I just never had much of an appetite. I ate because it was time to eat, but not because I really felt the need to eat. I'm on similar medication now as an adult, and I have zero appetite during the day. If I don't make myself eat something or if I forget, I could go almost all day without any food. And certain food just don't appeal to me at all now, like anything very sweet or fried.
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11:54 AM on 03/26/2013
What a narrow minded and mean thing to say to any one.
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bigtop1804
07:29 PM on 03/23/2013
"You will sit here till you eat it all" was the mantra as a child. Did a lot of sitting back in the day. As I grew older my taste buds worked better, my food choices expanded as did my waistline. I'll try anything once, after all, how do you know you won't like it. Be adventuresome and enjoy the experience.
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NottaMoron
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07:27 PM on 03/23/2013
There is no such thing as picky eaters, just weak willed parents. If the kid gets hungry enough, they'll eat what's in front of them.
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snewell
08:38 PM on 03/23/2013
NEVER SEEN A THIRD WORLD KID EVER, I MEAN, EVER!! TURN DOWN FOOD.........
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11:55 AM on 03/26/2013
May because they all die before they can pass on the gene, genius.
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Morgantheaxe
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08:52 PM on 03/23/2013
Might want to think about changing that name. A starving person will eat their own tongues eventually....not exactly a dietary recomendation though. Here's a thought....learn the difference between stuborn children and children who sincerely do not like particular foods. The reaction of tastebuds to chemicals is different in each of us. I literally vomit at the taste of green peas or green beans. If all I had to eat was green peas and and green beans I would eventually find a way to swallow the damn things but its no way to live.
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seriouslyfalling
10:55 PM on 03/23/2013
Of course people have preferences in foods, but that is not what this article is about. There are children who will eat only a very few food and will refuse to even put other foods in their mouths. Their parents cater to their whims and fix a different meal for each child, sometimes three times a day! I know what they are talking about because I am married to a man who's mother catered to him and bought not only the food, but the brand that he demanded. And I continued to do this right through the birth of three children who followed right in his footsteps and demanded their own limited meals. Right up until the day I put my foot down and QUIT DOING IT! I simply put a variety of nutritious foods on the table and said eat or go hungry. Sure, they missed a few meals, but eventually they ate and today every one of them eats almost everything, including ethnic and foreign foods...REAL foreign foods as we travel a great deal as a family. Sure, they all still have a few foods they do not care for, but that is normal...continuing to eat only mac and cheese, French fries, chicken nuggets and hot dogs until you are 23 (as my youngest sons girlfriend does) is not!
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11:58 AM on 03/26/2013
That's not true. Even in the Doner party, not everyone resorted to cannibalism. There have been many other instances of people who would rather starve to death than resort to that.

If you really have an eating disorder then you would never be able to eat green beans and peas without throwing up.
07:22 PM on 03/23/2013
I wasn't an overly picky eater when I was a kid, but became a picky eater after getting older.
07:12 PM on 03/23/2013
Everything I didn't like when I was a kid and my father forced me to eat, I still don't eat to this day. I am very picky, don't like tasting new food and wish it wasn't like that. I try as best I can but I guess it was too tough on me as a kid. I remember throwing up many many times on my father. I am over 60 now and still picky
07:52 PM on 03/23/2013
Forcing kids to try new things is acceptable; forcing them toeat things they hate is torture. I'm sorry you went through that.
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CR46
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09:20 PM on 03/23/2013
I used to have to taste the new thing and then could get up and make a peanut butter sandwich or eat anything else out of the frig. I went by the same with my kiddos.
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ccdunlap
07:04 PM on 03/23/2013
Ha! Picky eaters are easy, you don't like what's there, don't eat it. Eventually, you'll get hungry enough to the point you will eat it. Works every time on my son!
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Lexi Suarez
07:15 PM on 03/23/2013
Yeah, my dad tried that when I was a kid. I wouldn't eat. I think I went for as long as two days with just water. How about just making your kid something they like? Who cares if they only want to eat grilled cheese sandwiches for a while, it doesn't last for ever. Maybe I just don't have the need to control everything about my child up to and including what they like to eat.
07:18 PM on 03/23/2013
You think a child's food demands are not about control and power? Humans start the hierarchy game at Birth..
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ccdunlap
07:19 PM on 03/23/2013
You make a good point. However, it is not about control for me, it is about teaching the idea that eating is simply for energy for our bodies. Meaning, simply having food to eat and survive is a good enough reason to eat what is prepared. Think about all the children in the world that don't have a meal to eat everyday. I bet they aren't picky eaters. It's not genetics, its behavior. Thoughts?
09:18 PM on 03/23/2013
Thank you for demonstrating the importance of education and communication among scientists, researchers and doctors by being such a closed-minded ignorance-spreading know-nothing.

As this study shows, there really are picky eaters out there, children who no amount of punishment and abuse, like the kind you advocate, will get them to eat. Perhaps your son isn't a classic picky eater - maybe he's just a child who wants to put his parents to the test.

Please stop making denials of diagnoses that doctors and researchers are proving to be true. It doesn't help the discussion.
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seriouslyfalling
11:15 PM on 03/23/2013
There is absolutely no reason to punish or force a child to eat. But you are doing your child a great injustice if you cater to a child who demands a limited variety of bland, non nutritious foods. As for those doctors and researchers....I have worked on research projects through college grants in the past...and most of that research has a predetermined outcome and the project is set up to prove that outcome to be true. A very dear friend of mine had a son who bit and her doctor told her that the most recent "study" said that if the person being bit did not respond to the child when they bit, the child would eventually stop biting. And I once saw her sit, with tears streaming down her face as her son bit her leg so hard she had blood streaming down to her ankle! After almost a year of this, she got fed up with being bit and smacked his leg ONCE when he bit her neck and screamed "STOP, THAT HURTS"...that was the last time he bit anyone, because he finally realized that biting did indeed result in pain for HIM! Far too often these doctors and researches have no clue what they are talking about!
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Its A Good Ride
06:51 PM on 03/23/2013
Here's the thing I don't get - If you know your kids hate turnip for example, but love carrots, why would you bother forcing them to eat turnip? No difference in nutrition. There is always a substitute, and often for the same cost. Sounds like a control issue to me...

Choose your battles wisely. Just my two cents.
07:07 PM on 03/23/2013
So everyone in a family household must alter their diet to accomodat one child's preference? Some people have short order cooks for partents but most homes have one busy stressed cook that is lucky to have time to make one cooked meal a day..Eat whats available or don't eat..I don't believe in forcing food on children but hunger is a very natural consequence for refusing a safe and reasonable diverse food offering. Eat or don't eat it's their choice.
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Killermolls44
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10:59 PM on 03/23/2013
Carrots for instance are a cheap and simple substitute.
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07:29 PM on 03/23/2013
I agree.
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Cindy Kepler
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06:50 PM on 03/23/2013
I have a very picky eater, phobia is right, so the rule was he had to try it, just once, if he didn't like it he was allowed to make a sandwich or eat other parts of the meal. Once we figured out his likes/dislikes it was easier. He did not like onions, tomatoes or condiments (with the exception of BBQ sauce). I would blend the onions and toms into the meal with no chucks...he liked the flavors just not the chunks so that fixed that. On the condiment front, it's hard to tell a kid he has to put ketchup on his fries...it's easy to order a burger or chicken sandwich without it. Work with your kid, don't be mean about it and negotiate. He is 20 and still will not eat those things. But that doesn't make him bad or me a bad parent. We all have our flaws.
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06:53 PM on 03/23/2013
I hate ketchup too.
07:20 PM on 03/23/2013
I've never liked ketchup on fries, not even as a kid.
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Its A Good Ride
06:45 PM on 03/23/2013
I definitely see a hereditary basis for picky eaters. This of course does not mean you let kids eat whatever they want... However, distaste can at times be a signal of an allergy to a certain food. Using myself as an example, as a child I was not a big fan of fish. As an adult I learned I have a shellfish allergy...
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07:30 PM on 03/23/2013
Exactly.
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Harleigh
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06:42 PM on 03/23/2013
I had a picky eater kid that had to have the crust removed from sandwiches. So when I took the kid to McDonalds I showed the kid that a bun was all crust he started eating sandwiches with whole pieces of bread.... or no more McDonalds buns with crust. simple.
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06:44 PM on 03/23/2013
That's smart thinking.