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GEevendale
Converted Conservative
07:53 PM on 03/25/2013
Churches can marry but not divorce....
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basecamp
09:43 PM on 03/25/2013
If they only realized how much money they are loosing.
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Ortist
10:13 PM on 03/25/2013
Evendale, "churches can marry but not divorce" - that's a good point that hadn't occurred to me. Marriage is a civil matter, from the first license to the last divorce decree, and the church's participation in it is optional.
07:51 PM on 03/25/2013
That we need to have some weird pray-off about this shows that the argument is not based on reason but on faith alone.
If you took faith out of the equation, would you find one reason to deny 2 consenting adults marriage? No, because you would rightly say it's not your business nor is it the business of govt to have this much say over our personal lives. If you want to attend church and follow their dogma, yes, you should submit to their beliefs.
Good govt is about ensuring freedom for all, it is not about enforcing faith.
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TKinSC
Здравствуйте tout le monde!
09:25 PM on 03/25/2013
Marriage by definition involves the government, so government gets a say in who can marry. And in most states, bromance isn't an acceptable basis for a marriage.
09:45 PM on 03/25/2013
50 years ago interracial marriage was also unheard of in our free country. didn't make it right.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
09:50 PM on 03/25/2013
you have been on your soap box long enough. just tell everyone you Michele Bauckman
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Grumpy Old Dude
My screen name forms an Acronym
07:50 PM on 03/25/2013
"Meanwhile, anti-same sex marriage groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Family Research Council and the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, have also made broad calls, each asking for prayers this week in support of keeping laws that bar same-sex marriage on the books."

Would the prayer be something like this? Oh, Iord, please allow us to keep discriminating against our brothers and sisters.
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tpat100
08:23 PM on 03/25/2013
No it would probably be about keeping our society from slipping more and more into an anything goes mentality.
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thebokdude
gun-toting liberal, trans* USMC vet.
02:49 AM on 03/26/2013
why do you hate freedom? why do you cherish bigotry?
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fjmcm
Retired and Loving every minute
08:34 PM on 03/25/2013
No I think it might go like this, Oh, Lord please keep HOLY MATRMONY, HOLY!, I think that's how that would go.
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Daemon Edwards
09:28 PM on 03/25/2013
How is Holy Matrimony made holy? It is made holy by the people in the marriage asking the Holy Spirit to enter and bless their union while standing at the alter before God. Many marriages do not go through such a step, therefore such a marriage cannot claim to be that of Holy Matrimony. Anyone who was married by a judge or in some other non-religious ceremony, their marriage would not be holy.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
09:52 PM on 03/25/2013
no ,It does go like this.. Oh, Iord, please allow us to keep discriminating against our brothers and sisters. for we have been ignorant in our ways listening to you in the first place.
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07:49 PM on 03/25/2013
And they all call themselves Christians! What a farce is religion.
07:49 PM on 03/25/2013
Another sign that faith is not incompatible with tolerance, and bigots are only using religion as an excuse. Plenty of religious people love and accept our LGBT brothers and sisters.
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shankapotomus
07:47 PM on 03/25/2013
Just not be real churches.
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robv89121
New HUFFPOST name bobvargeson
07:46 PM on 03/25/2013
This is why this can't be a religious issue.

Some religions support it, some don't. Who do we decide gets their "freedom of religion" honored?

Therefore it comes back to being a civil rights case.

And under that criteria it is simple. Equal is equal.

Anything NOT equal is NOT equal.

Get it?
07:42 PM on 03/25/2013
Church groups shouldn't have a voice in political matters and still enjoy tax-free status.
pamihami
I really miss Miles Davis
07:50 PM on 03/25/2013
Why should churches be any different than a non-profit when it comes to a political voice?
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nermal
Still better than President Romney
08:08 PM on 03/25/2013
Ever heard of a little thing called: Separation of Church and State?
08:09 PM on 03/25/2013
They aren't. All tax exempt organizations are prohibited from taking part in "political activity".
http://www.muridae.com/nporegulation/lobbying.html
07:55 PM on 03/25/2013
So Martin Luther King, Jr. shouldn't have been preaching against discrimination?
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jg6544
Liberal, Christian, Lawyer, Gay
07:42 PM on 03/25/2013
You forgot someone; the Rev'd. Winnie Varghese, Rector, #StMark'sintheBowery, NYC
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ME61
liberal old man in Hawaii
07:36 PM on 03/25/2013
Any church of God that preaches inequality towards their fellow human beings is no church of God. They are church of hatred.

How can they condemn gays as being so evil when their supposed leader said, "walk a mile in their shoes."

Apparently they aren't willing to walk an inch in anyone's shoes but their own.
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rick in minnesota
My sentiments exactly.
11:37 PM on 03/25/2013
It's about people controlling people. Someone who speaks for a god can control more people. Solution: ignore them all.
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ME61
liberal old man in Hawaii
11:51 PM on 03/25/2013
amen brother, amen
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chadm252
Schadenfreude: GOP's theme to live by
01:16 AM on 03/26/2013
"Any church of God that preaches inequality towards their fellow human beings is no church of God."

Though I like the sentiment, I'm not sure what you base this statement on. The Bible is no champion of equality at all. It's not even close. This is a book that condones and advocates slavery, promotes the near-complete subjugation and inferior status of women (wives and daughters, woe betide you if the men in your lives adhere strictly to the Bible), and exhorts its followers to consider themselves "chosen" or "sanctified" -- it's a very hierarchical religion. Even the angels are separated into castes. There is very little in the Bible to suggest that equality was on the mind of its purportedly all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful author.
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ME61
liberal old man in Hawaii
02:25 AM on 03/26/2013
i was basically referring to the teachings of Jesus, the son of God, who is God and is the Holy Ghost.   Makes no sense to me, but...  so be it.  believe what you want to believe, but leave others alone. Wasn't it Jesus who taught tolerance?  Before condemning another being, walk a mile in his shoes?      
01:06 PM on 03/26/2013
Exactly.