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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
09:31 PM on 04/02/2013
You think it's 'feigned shock' when one of the most virulently-anti-gay bishops suddenly changes his tone, even if he still wants LGBT people to treat ourselves as 'sins' and perhaps 'objectively disordered?'

Trying to whitewash this man in particular's history as well as the hate preachings the Church has been coming out with till just lately isn't fooling anyone, sister.
07:16 PM on 04/02/2013
OK Folks! Read the sister's credentials---She is a mouth peice for the Bishops conference. You know the same guys who have bad mouthed and condemned Gays for so long.
Dolan is a complete jolly hypocrite.
If he is serious, he'd best curtail the vile terms used by the anti-mariage catholics groups.
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
04:24 PM on 04/02/2013
The Catholic Church will battle hard to maintain the sacredness of marriage as between a man and a woman.

Only if you have no faith in God. Jesus said unless God builds the house, those who labor on it, labor in vain. Don't you trust what Jesus had to say, Sister?
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Pubdestroyer
Just your average comedic intellectual who is curr
10:14 PM on 04/02/2013
I don't trust in generic gods, let alone anyone's one-and-only god.
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
12:26 AM on 04/03/2013
But this is the one Catholics claim to believe in. Not a generic god.
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charlesrfd2003
Proud American who believes in the Bill of Rights
06:37 AM on 04/03/2013
And violate the teaching that Christ taught on the mountain. Gay rights is about justice. The babble about the marriage of men and women has nothing to do with recognizing that gay people have civil rights. Be thankful that organizations such as OASIS exist. Too many gay people end up killing themselves due to attitudes demonstrated by Sister Walsh, who is a mouth piece for the Catholic bishops.
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
12:08 PM on 04/03/2013
Since I was confronting her on what she said, i fail to see what what is upsetting you about my comment.
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
04:21 PM on 04/02/2013
Of course they didn't feign shock; it was the real thing.. I'm surprised I didn't have a heart attack, having experienced the "love" of the Catholic Church for more than 45 years. I've had to take a lot of showers to wash off the filth of that "love" Granted not all the foul epithets I've been called have come from Catholics, but a large portion has.. And virtually all have come from either Catholics or Protestants.
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
03:29 PM on 04/02/2013
"...how can people get the impression that the church is exclusionary?"

The answer is depressing, but simple. They can get this idea because the SSM marriage movement has mastered the narrative, they have hoodwinked quite literally millions into believing a number of lies. Chief among them, the idea that unless you give the movement everything they want, you are 'homophobic'.
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Pubdestroyer
Just your average comedic intellectual who is curr
10:16 PM on 04/02/2013
And if I don't believe in your particular one-and-only god what do you think of me?
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charlesrfd2003
Proud American who believes in the Bill of Rights
06:41 AM on 04/03/2013
I have a gay son. I am able to see what rights they are demanding. We are no giving them anything. They are demanding that the rest of society recognize their inalienable God given human rights. Syllogizer, wait until it a member of your family announces that they are gay. Think about it and maybe you will realize that person is the same before and after the announcement. Hopefully, you will grow out of your homophobic attitudes.
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
12:32 PM on 04/03/2013
No, you are giving them something. You are giving them something that will ultimately prove to be bad for them, no matter how convinced you are now that it is good. So by giving them something so bad, you are the one who is hating them, not me.
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Edward Hara
03:20 PM on 04/04/2013
I already have a lesbian daughter. She and I are not talking because I won't validate her choice nor tell her that she is a normal person.

Truth does not bow to anyone, including family. Those who do so have a profound disrespect for the truth.
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researcher
03:17 PM on 04/02/2013
This nun needs to go work on a farm and observe farm animal of the same sex going at it.

The catholic Church picks and chooses what parts of the bible it want to enforce on society.

No one does a better job of creating atheists than the catholic church. they need to look at their system of having priests that are not allowed to have sex and how destructive that is on the priests and catholic children that have been abused.

Jesus had the most problems with religious authority and their religious dogma and gov. 2000 years later it has not changed much.
09:21 AM on 04/03/2013
We are above animal instincts.Atheists have been around for centuries.We call them pagans.
12:27 PM on 04/03/2013
Actually, you don't. Paganism is a polytheistic religion. Atheism is not a religion, but the lack thereof.
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1waitasec
theology = opinion based on conjecture, so what?
02:17 PM on 04/02/2013
"The word "catholic" means all-encompasing.."
no wonder....

maybe the term 'catholic' should be changed to 'infringer'

do me a favor and stop assuming your truth is mine....
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johnnybic
Seeking to impose the gay agenda since 1971
02:14 PM on 04/02/2013
"Gay marriage is the issue de jour for media. So when Cardinal Dolan on Easter spoke kindly of the gays and lesbians, media feigned shock."

The media were rightly shocked--there was nothing feigned about it. When you consider: Archbishop Charles Chaput, then of Denver, refused admittance of a five-year-old girl to a Catholic kindergarten because she had two mommies; Cardinal Dolan himself has said many horrid things about the LGBT community, not the worst of which was comparing gays and lesbians to alcoholics. And your dismissal of this serious human rights issue as "de jour," like it's the "soup of the day" is profoundly dismissive and equally offensive.
09:25 AM on 04/03/2013
Cardinal Dolan points out that gays are sinners like the rest of us and need to repent to receive Christ.Without repentance your sins will not be forgiven.Catholics will show compassion on the weak.Christ said repent and believe in the gospel; do not protest and believe in the gospel? there's the protestant church for that.
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michaelandfred
02:02 PM on 04/02/2013
"the issue de jour for media" No sister, it is the issue of of the lives of hundreds of millions of people across the world. While you preach love and "communion", I fight for the lives and loves of my family and friends suffering real world legal, physical, emotional consequences of your church's attempts to force your religion down the throats of the rest of the country. 27 years together with my husband. 20 of those living in exile because my country won't recognize how I was born. My nephews and nieces, siblings and parents grew up and old while I chose between my heart and family.

Do not pretend to speak to me of love, compassion, god, scripture or "issues de jour." In such a statement you lay bare the lie of your comments. I've seen to many lives torn asunder, too much pain and brutality caused by your compassion and faith.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
02:31 PM on 04/02/2013
Well stated!

As long as the Catholic Church clings to paranoid superstitions regarding the LBGT community they are a LARGE part of the problem and not the solutiuon.
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02:57 PM on 04/02/2013
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michaelandfred
06:30 PM on 04/02/2013
This is the problem. For them it is nothing more than "philosophy." We have young people committing suicide, parents throwing out their children to live homeless, people beaten on the streets, our families torn apart, kept apart, called "intrinsically disordered" and accused of tearing apart the foundations of civilization, causing natural disasters...just today compared to genocide and "crimes against humanity."

The Catholic Church is as in much of a bubble as the GOP. They pretend it's all friends and hate the sin but love the sinner.....while those of us are being hit by the hammer of their hateful actions, if not "thoughts." Father Dolan says we're allowed "friendship." No sir, this is a secular country with laws and personal liberties and freedoms and I bow to no one any longer to live as YOU ALL have created us to be. Do you throw away your left handed children? Deny them love and happiness and affection?

If the hundreds of millions of dollars and hateful rhetoric is your idea, of this sisters idea of love and compassion and "communion," it's no wonder the church is losing parishioners en masse. The flippant, nonchalant disregard of facts and suffering of real people exhibited in this op-ed has infuriated more than any I have read in weeks.
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01:29 PM on 04/02/2013
"But know this: The Catholic Church will battle hard to maintain the sacredness of marriage as between a man and a woman."

Is this a threat!!? Who are you, North Korea? If it's a battle you want, then a battle you shall have. You don't get to dictate what others do with their lives (especially when this is a SECULAR country with people who don't adhere to your religious dogma) because you have some ancient backwards book to make you feel superior. Bring it on! You will lose...
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02:58 PM on 04/02/2013
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03:42 PM on 04/02/2013
She already lost, by claiming secular marriages of people not of her religion being "sacred" IN her religion.

That's exactly like Mormons baptizing dead Holocaust victims. As stupid and pointless and as illegal.
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charlesrfd2003
Proud American who believes in the Bill of Rights
06:47 AM on 04/03/2013
At least the Mormons are not harming living people with their baptism of the dead. The Catholic Church is harming about 6% of our children which is about the percent of children born gay. Put that along side the child abuse issue the Catholic Church is a major organization with a history of injuring children. Why do we allow it to have tax exemptions. They should pay a tax to compensate for the damage that they do.
01:05 PM on 04/02/2013
Why does Dolan NEED to express the message "The Catholic Church HAS TO embrace Gays" all of a sudden, since you claim it was the message of the church all along and he never used this message or anything similar before ? What changed ?

Or is it a message of compulsion - even if it doesn't want to, in the present political circumstances "The Catholic Church HAS TO embrace Gays" or it will lose even more believers and political influence in the Western Hemisphere ?

Just wondering.

SECULAR MARRIAGE is, btw, NOT SACRED. It never was, it never will be. It's a CONTRACT. Your church has the right to bless whatever it wants and refuse to bless anything it chooses, no questions asked, so it shouldn't have anything to say in SECULAR business.

HOW DARE YOU "sacralize" my secular marriage in YOUR religion WITHOUT MY CONSENT, Sister Walsh ? You have no right to steal my marriage from me !
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
03:30 PM on 04/02/2013
What changed? Little changed. And what changed was mostly the short and selective attention spans in the public, requiring Dolan to repeat what everybody should have known, and some did know all along: "the Catholic Church has to embrace gays".
12:03 PM on 04/03/2013
And he just now "noticed" that everybody didn't know it. I guess he's so sheltered that he doesn't read the news about gay people being victimized (to death) by his fellow believers. If he's THAT sheltered, he should have nothing to say in secular politics, ie who should be able to enter a SECULAR marriage or not. 
You can't have your cake and eat it, too. "Just noticing" all of a sudden things that have been going on for hundreds of years only works as an excuse given to some backward tribe, if they're gullible enough to swallow it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
12:45 PM on 04/02/2013
"But know this: The Catholic Church will battle hard to maintain the sacredness of marriage as between a man and a woman."

Battle how? By forcing your relgiious beliefs into law?
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Robert Frano
‘Plausible Deniability’: NOT A FAMILY_VALUE!!
02:33 PM on 04/02/2013
Re: "Battle how? By forcing your relgiious beliefs into law?" {JDuck}

Paraphrasing Monty-Python: "Line forms to the left, One cross each!"
More to the point...

Why would ANY religion consider it morally OR legally legitmate to, 'battle hard to maintain the sacredness of marriage', against non-adherents?
12:01 PM on 04/02/2013
"The Catholic Church will battle hard to maintain the sacredness of marriage as between a man and a woman." "For the Catholic Church marriage is worth it all, even sadly, a trip to the U.S. Supreme Court."

What business, pray tell, does the Catholic church have telling a secular authority what to do? You don't believe in marriage equality and want to keep the "sacredness"? Fine. Nobody's trying to make you perform gay weddings in your churches.

Also, it would be nice if the Catholic Church as an institution battled as hard for protecting children abused by its clergy as it does for denying civil equal rights to gay people.
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02:59 PM on 04/02/2013
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11:18 AM on 04/02/2013
Excellent Sister. I think the most interesting statement Card Dolan made was that we must negotiate the contradiction (i.e how to show the openness of the Catholic church to all whilst defending Marriage -big M intentional) and it would be interesting for perhaps the HuffPost to host a series of debates from theologians, practitioners, activists on the subject.
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01:31 PM on 04/02/2013
There's a bigger contradiction.

How do you reconcile "you are intrinsically disordered" with "oh, but sure we respect and love 'em. Just not, you know, their ability to love. Which we think is so deeply flawed."
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
03:33 PM on 04/02/2013
The only reason you are having trouble reconciling it is because you insist on calling 'love' what is not love at all.
06:28 PM on 04/02/2013
And guess who put that phrase into the Catechism? Mr. Grand Inquisitor, now Pope Emeritus.
10:59 AM on 04/02/2013
Sister, you writing is truly inspirational. Too bad in practice, starting with the bishops, it is not practiced and lived as fully as you imply. I hope the rejection of the past will not be so deep that gays and lesbians just see these attempts as more hyprocracy
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
09:46 PM on 04/02/2013
It *is* hypocrisy to oppress and demean people and claim it's 'loving acceptance' while defaming them and spending vast resources to try to deny civil justice to us, here and abroad.