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Karen Levin
02:54 PM on 04/03/2013
Hey, guys. It's Barack Obama who is offering up Social Security - so sorry to say. Got to read the backstories at Buzzflash or Truthout ... Republicans fell off the cliff long ago and are more irrelevant every day - they are to be ignored so that you can save your strength to deal with the Democrats and administration who are selling out.
03:50 PM on 04/03/2013
Mrs Stepford we are not being sold out in fact thanks to Obama we are getting a true voice.
Equality being a mmajor issues wondering how a women likes being treated as a second class citizen like a good GOP women is suppose to be
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Charles Edward Brown
Free Thinking Liberal
02:16 PM on 04/03/2013
They want to cut our Social Security and Medicare already. Imagine if you add 11 million more people to the rolls. These criminals should be deported and not given any Federal benefits.
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TOPCAT711
What a Long Strange Trip It's Been
03:22 PM on 04/03/2013
Took the bait....didn't ya' ?
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54Cheyenne
Failure plus excuses doesn't equal success.
08:45 PM on 04/03/2013
Whether or not its true - they should be deported. Illegal alien is illegal. No right to be here. No right to work here. An absolute right to seek a better life . . . in their country of origin. Regardless of the rationale, the conclusion is a good one.
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susanjdavis
The time has come for basic civil rights for all!
04:48 PM on 04/03/2013
It will NOT affect you!
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Hillbilly49
If God is your Co-Pilot; let him land the plane.
02:12 PM on 04/03/2013
Conservatives Leaders have been doing their best to destroy Social Security since it was created; conservative groups fabricating lies and misinformation is nothing new.  Social Security is not broke or broken and it does pay for itself through Social Security Contributions.  
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llyd wlsh
chem, nuke, bio hazard
02:11 PM on 04/03/2013
this is ALL the r-wing has left, creation and explotation of peoples fears....they have NOTHING to contribute but fear and loathing
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Charles Edward Brown
Free Thinking Liberal
02:17 PM on 04/03/2013
So many illegal aliens are you currently exploiting? I bet you don't pay any benefits for them.
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doodlebug2
03:50 PM on 04/03/2013
the people that hire them do not either, tell them to quit hiring them.
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Dancenownzen
02:20 PM on 04/03/2013
they have always been about fear
02:11 PM on 04/03/2013
In order to receive Social Security you must pay into the system with a number that is issued to you by the Social Security Administration. If you are not in this country legally you will not be able to get a social security number issued by the SSA and you will not be able to receive a legitimate number. A phony or stolen number will put your earnings into someone else's account and they will get credit for your earnings. If you try to apply for welfare the numbers will be cross matched and you will be denied and probably prosecuted. I worked in the welfare system for 30 years and very few ever got past the safe guards.
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Prib2009
Expect the worst. You'll never be disappointed.
02:55 PM on 04/03/2013
I also worked in the welfare system for 20 years and then with programs after that for 23 more years that dealt with SS, MC and Medicaid. In our State of NE, no illegal was entitled to medicaid benefits nor social security. They did get food stamps if they had a green card.
I get so tired of hearing that the illegals are getting all of the medicaid, while in fact, it's the elderly US citizens who have to enter nursing homes that have to assess most of the medicaid funds. The illegals are using our ER's for medical treatment and that cost is passed on to those of us who have insurance, but the GOP doesn't want illegals to be included in the Health Care Reform, where they would have to purchase insurance of their own, so the republicans keep on whining and crying--when most of them don't even know what they're whining and crying about.
05:54 PM on 04/03/2013
From all the people who entered this country illegally many of them do not pay taxes. But there are also lots of them who do pay taxes. Over a decade ago The Internal Revenue Service started collecting data and providing a unique number to them.

An ITIN, or Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, is a tax processing number only available for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents who cannot get a Social Security Number (SSN). It is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9", formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNNN).

Financial institutions also use such number as a valid form of id so these people can open bank accounts. There are millions of these people who use this ITIN for those purposes and more. Through the years, billions of dollars have been collected from these people who entered this country illegally by the IRS by allowing them to use this number and filing their tax return every year.

To say that all people who entered this country illegally do not pay taxes is simply incorrect or people are not properly informed.

But generally speaking, there are citizens, legal residents, and many people who entered this country illegally who simply do not like paying taxes or do not report all their earnings.
01:55 PM on 04/03/2013
Does anyone trust or believe anything coming from the republican party about trying to protect our social security and medicare when they are the party that has tried to take these programs down from day one?
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llyd wlsh
chem, nuke, bio hazard
02:05 PM on 04/03/2013
"Does anyone trust or believe anything coming from the republican party......"

NOBODY with a functioning brain
01:42 PM on 04/03/2013
First of all, this is not journalism. When you report something, then immediate cherry-pick data to dismiss the report, you are a editorializing, not a practicing journalism.
Second, this math is logical. If increased immigration causes education, welfare and other expenses to rise (a known fact; ask California), then the immigrants would be paying money into one of Uncle Sam’s pockets, but withdrawing more money from the other. Social Security should not be viewed in isolation because it is part of the same federal budget as all the other federal programs.
Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman has noted that low-skilled immigrants do not earn enough money to cover the cost of government benefits they receive. More than 25 percent of legal immigrants lack a high school diploma, compared to 9 percent of the general population. Lacking a high school diploma is an indicator that the immigrant is low-skilled.
The Heritage Foundation has found that low-skilled immigrants use far more dollars worth of government services than they pay in taxes. The Heritage study calculated that the average low-skilled immigrant household costs the American taxpayer $19,588 per year. It is a proposition that makes sense for the employer who hires people at a very low wage, it makes sense for the immigrant who can live a better life than he or she could back home, but it inflicts a heavy cost on the American taxpayer.
Sorry; Math can be harsh when it doesn't fit your utopian vision.
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llyd wlsh
chem, nuke, bio hazard
02:09 PM on 04/03/2013
when you quote the heritage foundation you lose all claim to relevancy
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Charles Edward Brown
Free Thinking Liberal
02:18 PM on 04/03/2013
nose looks a little brown there.
03:03 PM on 04/03/2013
If you don't like the heritage foundation, perhaps you will listen to Professor Borjas of Harvard, who has made his life work the study of labor economics and immigration. His conclusion is that overall, there is a small economic gain from massive immigration, but nearly all the gain is captured by those hiring the immigrants and the immigrants themselves, leaving the rest of us to pay for our own dispossession.
Couple this with the fact that all verification and enforcement language preventing illegals accessing the new healthcare bill features was removed from the bill twice. Finally, in its place the administration added simply a statement that illegals could not access the healthcare in the bill, but left out all verification and enforcement as used in welfare and other programs, so the bill has a bark to dupe the rubes, but no bite.
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Prib2009
Expect the worst. You'll never be disappointed.
03:00 PM on 04/03/2013
If you are relying on the Heritage Foundation, a right wing propaganda organization, then you are the one that lacks vision.
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twistednana1954
I don't care if you agree or not.
01:30 PM on 04/03/2013
Government certainly wouldn't want any group to cut into Social Security, that is their personal piggy bank, not the citizens.
03:53 PM on 04/03/2013
Don;t tell that to the millions who live on SS
Does acting respbsible when you make comment of any concern to you
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twistednana1954
I don't care if you agree or not.
04:13 PM on 04/03/2013
That makes no sense.
markofamerica
The country needs more light & less heat. Brandeis
01:23 PM on 04/03/2013
Any claim made by Republicans has to be taken with a grain of salt and a pound of prudence.
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timosides
Do or Do not
01:18 PM on 04/03/2013
Laughable.
01:15 PM on 04/03/2013
How many time can the republicans go to this particular well? It seems like when ever they are irrationally opposed to anything, they find some way to twist it around and accuse it of harming Social Security. You would think that at some point even conservatives would figure out what they were doing.
01:14 PM on 04/03/2013
"The group used similar scare tactics to derail President Barack Obama's health care reform law."

"derail"......isn't Obamacare the law of the land?
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Teresa Martinez
01:13 PM on 04/03/2013
So having the 4 million or so undocumented workers begin paying into social security, adding billions annually to it's coffers, will destroy it. By making it more financially solvent you will make it insolvent. I'm sorry, WHAT???
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maxdb
Politeness: the most acceptable hypocrisy
01:07 PM on 04/03/2013
"And dey takun urrr johbbbsss"
01:05 PM on 04/03/2013
My wife and her family are all undocumented and they have been paying into social security for 15 years since they came here. They won't get a penny of that back when they retire. They also pay their taxes, my in-laws paid $7,000 this year, my undocumented wife and I paid about $3,000. It turns out that if you call the IRS, tell them you have no social security number but wish to pay your taxes they will issue you a tax identification number, known as an ITIN number. So every undocumented person I know pays taxes and pays into social security. I'm sure some don't, some US citizens don't pay taxes either, just ask Mitt Romney. Also, my father-in-law owns his own business and employs U.S. citizens, up to 8 or 10 people when business is good.