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03:15 PM on 04/09/2013
You win, rich salsa man. Let's transport it by truck!
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:45 PM on 04/09/2013
It costs more by truck. wake up serf.
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
02:35 PM on 04/09/2013
Tar Sands Raw Deal: Arkansas Spill Is Another Reason to Say 'No' to Tar Sands Pipeline

Tell Obama. He's the one who plans on signing off on this.
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batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
01:10 PM on 04/09/2013
Bravo Robert, thank you for all your much-needed activism!

The power of the oil & gas industry via campaign-contribution cash is sadly (and criminally) mostly beyond control, especially with Congress and the WH in their pocket. The likelihood is XL will be approved by bought-and-paid-for politicians; also likely is an oil-spill when XL is up and running polluting more of America, hopefully not into the Oglala Aquifer XL will pass over.

Electing a city-boy Prez was a great mistake and on-going tragedy; his apparent ignorance and disregard for the natural world (except golf courses) and lack of empathy for the wild creatures we share this Earth with have been a disaster for numerous reasons. His appointments/nominations to critical agencies tell the tale, shills, apologists and industry/corporate insiders, like the odious welfare-rancher Ken Salazar to Interior; All in all Obama’s record is one of utter failure as responsible, or even conscious, environmental steward; a promoter/defender of polluting industries and destroyer of wild animals and their habitat - zero wilderness area set-aside by this Prez as most other presidents that came before; pathetic.
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WordProcessor
Republicans are not conservatives they're radicals
02:57 AM on 04/10/2013
More ecologists, climatologists and scientists in general should be elected to Congress. Lawyers and bankers have no connection to reality anymore, if they ever did. The environment should come first and economies should be local. $crew the corporate "majors" they don't put the cost of the damage they do to the "commons" on their books and polluting enhances their profit margins.
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electricbuzzard
Still trying to remember 60's
12:11 PM on 04/09/2013
Tar sands are not pumped through pipe lines. The Oil is extracted from the sand before it can be pumped. Think of the Tar Sands as oil ore. I am as opposed to the pipe line as anyone,but please get your facts right before publishing, you leave yourself open to ridicule by the opposition .
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cinsear
01:48 PM on 04/09/2013
He said "tar sands crude" which needs to be treated with chemicals because it is so thick it will not run through a pipeline. It is also heavy and drops to the bottom of creeks and rivers and they have no way of cleaning it up. In Arkansas they put giant paper towels on the spill. That's the technology for clean up so far.
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
02:36 PM on 04/09/2013
The clean up tech is about as advanced as it is for nuclear--wait for it to blow away...
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pmoschetta
Where are the Jobs, Speaker Boehner?
06:31 PM on 04/14/2013
Wrong electric buzzard

The tar sands IS pumped through the pipe lines but not by ordinary methods. It will be heated at a very high temperature because the raw product will not move
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electricbuzzard
Still trying to remember 60's
11:55 AM on 04/15/2013
What you recon the big ass dump truck and bucket loader is for?
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mater
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11:08 AM on 04/09/2013
How exactly does a homeowner disclose THIS? How will the ground, the water, anything alive in this area ever be okay again?? A roll of paper towels just doesn't fix this. All that these folks have fought to hold onto and paid for--now, what? No one will take responsibility and liability as long as they are allowed to get away with this damage. I've read there are still parts of Alaska which were ruined from the Valdez disaster, i think in 1989, which are still ruined. Exxon's making record-breaking profits, meanwhile the folks in Arkansas have got themselves a heartbreaking mess.
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KeithTexas
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01:08 PM on 04/09/2013
Crude oil is an organic, there are bacteria that will consume the oil in a warm environment over time. In Alaska it is too cold for those bacteria to survive.

Next time you see the state oil a road, look the next spring where the greenest grass is, right where they over sprayed the oil.
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mater
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06:20 AM on 04/10/2013
I will look, but the don't think the scope of this spill is going to be good for growing grass or any living things.
10:59 AM on 04/09/2013
Must ask yourself this: is it better to receive oil from Venezuela, Iran or Canda.

Then ask yourself this - if the Keystone Pipeline is rejected how will these tar sands be transported. By vehicle, which will increase the amount of emissions released into the atmosphere.

Lastly, ask yourself this - two pipelines ruptured in three years. When you witness a vehicle accident, do you quit driving, when you witness an airplane mishap, do you quit flying; when you see the Carnival disaster, do you quit scheduling cruises?
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Philip Bergen
12:29 PM on 04/09/2013
the trust fund dividend babies want you to pay more for oil to increase their profits.
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KeithTexas
Gone from Huff Post
01:09 PM on 04/09/2013
Canada is my choice
10:52 AM on 04/09/2013
Even if a corporation gets to be a person, I still don't trust 'em.
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Littlematchgirl451
Question authority
09:51 AM on 04/09/2013
The issue is that the oil/coal/energy companies don't take responsibility for stewardship of the land they use. They don't spend on updating the infrastructure unless directly tied to profit. They extract the wealth and leave polluted land and devastated communities, the examples are numerous and never discussed by the media. There is a public attempt to regulate them, but they lobby against any interference in their business's profit, write this nations energy policy and then ignore regulations anyway, paying minuscule token fines.
09:23 AM on 04/09/2013
I'm afraid we don't get a vote and the one you cast for Obama will soon be regrettable since he will approve the pipeline and call out the National Guard to protect it. He fooled you twice. Shame on you.
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
02:37 PM on 04/09/2013
That's exactly why he pushed this issue back till after the elections. He'll do exactly what Romney would have done--he'll sign it. Both parties are bought.
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Equinator
Shovels manure daily
08:48 AM on 04/09/2013
When the pipeline was first proposed, I thought it sounded like a good idea. The more I learn the worse it gets. Tar sands oil only returns a small amount of energy for the amount of energy it takes to produce. It requires toxic chemicals be mixed in with the oil so that it is viscous enough to flow down the pipeline. Pipe ruptures are far more common than I was led to believe and the effects of a rupture can destroy a whole aquifer past my grandchildren's lifetime.

And the real kicker is it will not benefit the nation as a whole but will make a few rich families even richer.

Just say no.
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05:06 AM on 04/09/2013
A paradigm shift in the laws of business is necessary. Today the first and foremost duty of a company director is to make profit for share holders. Lets change that to make a profit AND have a duty of care for the planet . If corporations can have personhood then why not the planet. Legal rights for the planet. The New Zealand government has given a river person hood, lets go further, lets have the UN give personhood to the planet.

The planet needs the missing 5th international crime against humanity as planned by the UN for ten years. The Crime of Ecocide would make people rather than corporations liable for destruction to the environment.
PEOPLE need to be held accountable, a company is only an entity written on a sheet of paper, so at the end of the day any fines are paid by the customers of that company. In this case they are paid at the pump .....it is time for a change.... Millions of people in many cultures know that planet earth is a living being .... to them it would not be such an odd idea ...
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
01:17 PM on 04/09/2013
I love your commentary and your love of Earth. This pipeline with kill and skin multi-thousands of acres of Mother Earth's life giving, physical body and face, so we can move cars.

I hope this is still available to watch. A cyber-friend on this Green site, posted this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zljEdQdM

The images of Earth's life giving body are more like the surface of Mars, than our beloved Earth, our green and blue miracle.
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roy brophy
Dyslexic F. O. "Sorry!"
03:01 AM on 04/09/2013
What do you mean "We", Robert?
There is no "We" in America: There are the Rich and their lackeys, from county commissioners to Obama, and "Us"
America is a sham Democracy that runs on legal corruption.
"Us" need to form a new Party, free from the rotting corps of the Democratic Party that is just as bad as the republicans.
01:41 AM on 04/09/2013
npr had a piece last week about this pipeline problem--and mention was made about how OLD much of this pipeline infrastructure is. IF that is the case....AND if it IS a concern...then what better remedy than construct a NEW pipeline using 21st century technology?
10:52 AM on 04/09/2013
The pipeline in Arkansas was over 100 year old, designed for liquid crude (not gummy tar sands oil that requires higher pressure and heated), and ... they reversed the direction of flow which left it without pressure for a while (pipes can collapse in weak areas like that).

Ironically NEW pipelines can be better. But emphasize CAN BE. They won't be better if the government does not monitor the construction. If we can't do it right, don't do it.
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04:37 PM on 04/09/2013
80% of oil spills and leaks are due to human error. Enbridge was warned about cracks in their Kalamazoo pipeline years before it burst oil into the river. The fact is, spills are cheaper for the oil companies to deal then doing everything possible to prevent one costs. Something else, tar sands oil is not even legally classified as oil which means a company like Exxon doesn't even have to pay into the cleanup funds.

"According to a thirty-year-old law in the US, diluted bitumen coming from the Alberta tar sands is not classified as oil, meaning pipeline operators planning to transport the corrosive substance across the US - with proposed pipelines like the Keystone XL - are exempt from paying into the federal Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund." http://www.desmog.ca/2013/04/02/pipelines-carrying-tar-sands-crude-us-don-t-pay-federal-oil-spill-fund
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01:09 AM on 04/09/2013
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57361212/keystone-pipeline-how-many-jobs-really-at-stake/
Keystone pipeline: How many jobs really at stake? - CBS News

"...Transcanada itself cast doubt on its employment forecast when a vice president for the company told CNN last fall that the 20,000 jobs Keystone would create were temporary and that the project would likely yield only "hundreds" of permanent positions..."
01:44 AM on 04/09/2013
but are they "shovel ready" jobs?

how do the number of jobs (permanent jobs) now expected to be created (hundreds) compare to the various federally subsidized energy projects and their job creation RESULTS? anyone know??
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11:33 AM on 04/09/2013
The only "shovel-ready" jobs are digging graves. :-)
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05:10 AM on 04/09/2013
Those 20,000 jobs are going to feed 20,000 families for a good long time. And the hundreds of jobs are going to feed thousands of people even longer.
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11:36 AM on 04/09/2013
Those are temporary jobs.
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
01:24 PM on 04/09/2013
Yup, but folks can't breathe and drink paper money. This pipeline will deleteriously impact oxygen releasing, the climate cooling water cycle and fresh water, the atmosphere's integrity; the biosphere/ecosphere, the climate, the sequestration of the climate warming gases for Earth and a long list of everything that separates Earth from Mars.

We're gobbling up our children's jobs and futures while killing every reason we exist with this planet butcher. Everywhere Earth will be skinned and drowned for this pipeline will turn that much of Earth into a dead planet surface, about as life giving and sustaining as the tumble of rocks on Mars.

What constitutes a living, life giving planet and a dead one, like Mars? Man's unnatural changes to Earth are like the surface of Mars, scientifically, "land use changes".
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01:02 AM on 04/09/2013
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/18/six-reasons-keystone-xl-was-bad-deal-all-along/
Six reasons Keystone XL was a bad deal all along | Fox News

"1. Keystone XL Would Not Reduce Foreign Oil Dependency

The oil to be sent through Keystone XL pipeline was never destined for US markets. In its own presentation to investors about the proposed pipeline extension, TransCanada (the company behind Keystone XL) boasted that most if not all of the extracted and refined oil would be exported --- sold in oversees markets where oil fetches a higher price (and thus turns a higher profit for the company).

2. Keystone XL Would Have Increased Domestic Oil Prices

3. Keystone XL Overstated Number of Jobs to be Created

4. Current Keystone Pipeline Leaked 12 Times in Last Year

5. The Environmental Concerns About Oil Leaks Are Justified

6. Mining Tar Sands Would Worsen Global Warming"

This article was written by Sally Kohn for Fox, and is the exact opposite of Gerri Willis comments on her Fox Business show.
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Philip Bergen
12:32 PM on 04/09/2013
opinions are not facts. realize that some people blog for a living. they write about different issues all the time. its opinion.
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01:37 PM on 04/09/2013
What you and I are doing is blogging.

Ms. Kohn is a freelance writer, per her web site:

http://sallykohn.com/
Sally Kohn -- television pundit, writer, activist and then some

Her article on Salon about the spill:

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/01/new_spill_reveals_how_horrible_keystone_could_be/
New spill reveals how horrible Keystone could be - Salon.com

In the case of the Keystone XL pipeline project, TransCanada has an ace up its sleeve:

Chapter 11 of NAFTA