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TVs Scotty J
11:41 AM on 04/21/2013
Sure, let's just forgo this man's due process, since he's a terrorist and all. It's not like denying rights to people will ever have any unwanted consequences down the road or anything. Nope. Nothing could possibly go wrong when this country abandons the principles it was founded under...
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sonomacountylady
12:39 PM on 04/21/2013
You are being sarcastic, I know. I agree with you. He's an American citizen, and we should follow the laws so he will be convicted fairly. And he will be convicted. Fan & Faved BTW!
01:45 PM on 04/21/2013
he just became a citizen as of 9/11/12......did he have any of this in mind when he did
02:07 PM on 04/21/2013
But not only these points alone but to add to it, we would be fools not to remember the whole world is watching. Really I was disgusted to see 9,000 police out looking for one 19 year old young man. How we proceed from here says a lot about this nation. But right now I'm disgusted with the cowboy "manhunt" chest pounding mentality I see on tv and internet and so little self reflection and very little bigger picture thinking that could help solve problems not just react to them
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Denis Winkle
01:00 PM on 04/21/2013
Well Said Scotty!
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mugwhump
My chihuahuas own me.
11:41 AM on 04/21/2013
Whether they read him his rights or not the chances he will give them the names of his affiliates is doubtfull. Read him his rights then send him to GITMO. He is a prime example why this administration (Obama) felt the need to sign indefinite detention into law.
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sonomacountylady
12:42 PM on 04/21/2013
Did we do this to the Oklahoma Bomber who killed hundreds? Timothy McVey? No we gave him an Attorney & had a trial. The same needs to be done here. This is America, Not North Korea. Americans have certain rights.
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mugwhump
My chihuahuas own me.
01:21 PM on 04/21/2013
His act was committed against a government entity not an act against the population. They can legally interragate him without Miranda. The precedence has already been set. He can also be indefinitely detained without due process. This provision was signed into law with a smile by the present administration.
We are at war,this giives the fed more leeway in the manner of which they treat enemies of the state.
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Denis Winkle
01:12 PM on 04/21/2013
Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again.
While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions, the statement only applies to how "his administration" would use the authorities granted by the NDAA, and would "not affect" how the law is "interpreted" by "subsequent administrations". It could be waiting for you.As it lurks in the shadows of tomorrow!
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mugwhump
My chihuahuas own me.
01:26 PM on 04/21/2013
Unless I commit a violent act against my country and against its' people I have no worry. The fact Obama did not VETO NDAA and the extension of The Patriot Act speaks louder than words.
11:40 AM on 04/21/2013
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm we cannot suspend Miranda Rights By saying he is a terrorist.I bet they gave McVia his Miranda Rights and and he did more damage then these 2 brothers.No we can't do it because where will it stop.Get stopped for speeding and your thrown in jail and they don't say why and question you for hours because you look like someone they are after?????The Miranda Right were put in place to protect American Citizens and this younger brother is a citizen.
12:17 PM on 04/21/2013
the patriot act took that away it was not in effect when mcvay did his terrorist act.maybe this will send a message to others led astray and want to plan something like this.they wanted to do something to hurt this country now let them face it as terrorists not just regular criminals
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Candles81
01:06 PM on 04/21/2013
You both spelled the name wrong. It's McVeigh.
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05:04 PM on 04/21/2013
Even if the patriot act wasn't signed into law until 2002 Tim McVeigh still have been held without reading his Miranda rights. The only reason why McVeigh got mirandize was because he got caught driving with expire tags and illegal arms just hours after the bombing. No one had no idea it was him when he caught
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sonomacountylady
12:43 PM on 04/21/2013
I agree with you 100% we have lost enough rights in this country already! Fan & Faved!
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mypathoflight
11:39 AM on 04/21/2013
The ACLU is right to question this. Every step taken must be examined and re-examined. There must be absolutely no chance that the case can be lost later because of a mistake or a technicality. Our Constitution has specific guidelines on how people suspected of crimes must be treated, and if that is not followed the case can be lost.
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KaySieverding
12:15 PM on 04/21/2013
The ACLU should defend the rights of pro se litigants. Because I was a pro se litigant, DOJ imprisoned me for 5 months with no evidentiary hearing, no criminal charge, no bail hearing, and no government prosecutor. The witnesses against me weren't sworn and I wasn't allowed to cross examine them. I sued them and DOJ filed in court that this was legal.
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reng318
12:23 PM on 04/21/2013
I agree, except the Constitution is not a technicality. :)
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jt3151
11:37 AM on 04/21/2013
Since his rights were violated he should be released on the streets of Boston - after interrogation
12:38 PM on 04/21/2013
No, he should be released and sent to your house.
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jt3151
09:57 AM on 04/22/2013
That works, as long as I know he's coming.
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TVs Scotty J
11:36 AM on 04/21/2013
Gotta love all the compassionate Christians in these comments calling for blood and torture. Just like Jesus would have...
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Denis Winkle
01:32 PM on 04/21/2013
Yup! It's very strange what defines "Love for one another today"! It must come for Bush 43? "If you say it enough! It must be true! Even in the words of Mitt Romney. " No apology"! As John Wayne conclude " It's a sign of Weakness Pilgrim!!
11:36 AM on 04/21/2013
Don't terrorist cells have 4-6 in their group? 2 is not 4-6 is it! If he received his training (the oldest brother) overseas, then wouldn't that mean he would be connected with others? And didn't brother number 2 try to kill himself..or so they said ( that's why the exit wound in the back of his neck),,hmmmmmmm! And now being an American, brother number 2 is even up for teason (sp) isn't he...not sure of that..interesting..
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Denis Winkle
01:34 PM on 04/21/2013
Maybe Halliburton and Black Water has changed their policy on 4-6?
11:31 AM on 04/21/2013
Have to wonder who else they knew who might be planning similar bad acts. It's not a jewelry heist...alright, we got the jewels, end of story. This could be the tip of an ice berg. ACLU, I understand you're doing your job, but I won't be disappointed if you're not successful this time.
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sonomacountylady
12:47 PM on 04/21/2013
You will be really upset if Americans lose even more rights then we already have. He is an American, and we need to follow the laws. Remember Timothy McVey? The Oklahoma Bomber who killed hundreds? He had an Attorney & a trial.
11:28 AM on 04/21/2013
terrorist don't have any rights
12:25 PM on 04/21/2013
Yeah, but American citizens do. You can't make exceptions for one without making them for all.
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sonomacountylady
12:49 PM on 04/21/2013
Tell that to Timothy McVey, the Oklahoma Bomber who killed hundreds. He didn't lose his rights. Nor did many others who terrorized America.
11:26 AM on 04/21/2013
Another Obama comparison to HItler.
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NamDave6667
Saddle your own horse and kill your own snakes
11:24 AM on 04/21/2013
The American Criminal Liberties Union is at it again. ACLU you need to choose your battles more carefully.
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12:35 PM on 04/21/2013
It goes to show that it would have been better to wait about 2 more hours before attacking him. There was no need to rush, he was armed. Make him sweat a little longer and he may have surrendered without force.
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sonomacountylady
12:51 PM on 04/21/2013
No, they are correct in protecting All of Americans Rights. Timothy McVey didn't lose his rights & he killed hundreds as the Oklahoma Bomber.
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05:11 PM on 04/21/2013
There was difference between Tim McVeigh and this guy. Tim McVeigh he first caught and was mirandize for a different charged. Remember just hours after the bombing he got caught driving with expire tags and illegal weapons. He was already in jail by the time FBI figured out it was him and then they added the charges later. This guy and brother proven time and time again they danger to the public. ACLU tries this case they could lose. This is guy public danger. ACLU needs to stay out of this
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Kate Ragas
What is a micro-bio?
11:19 AM on 04/21/2013
People seem to be forgetting what the word, "suspect" means.
11:15 AM on 04/21/2013
I think they need to cross their T's and dot their I's!!! He needs to be read the Miranda rights. The law officials have done everything right so far and they should keep it up. Just in case of things down the road. Whether he deserves it or not. The destruction and maiming he caused says not!!
11:09 AM on 04/21/2013
Who's next to jump in on this bandwagon? Macdonalds? Ok, for those that left common sense at the door - nobody knows the reason behind the bomb, nobody knows if they acted alone, nobody knows if there are any other bombs, while there is certainly a sense of security, not one person can guarantee that it's over. They committed a terrorist act on American soil, therefore they are, drum roll please, terrorists. So no, no miranda rights for him, until it can safely be proven there are no more credible threats. Seriously, rights of a terrorist? What about the rights of that 8 year old. Didn't he deserve the right to live, not be killed by this terrorists bomb?
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lepantos
Wealth is youthful idealism into old age.
11:16 AM on 04/21/2013
Our Constitution and Civil Liberties do not work that way...
11:36 AM on 04/21/2013
How do they work?
11:17 AM on 04/21/2013
You're grossly misunderstanding what is at stake here. The Miranda exception only applies if there is imminent danger and public threat. That is not the case here any longer. What they are saying here is that a defense attorney might have grounds to get a case dismissed later on because of it. That is something no one wants. And in case you didn't know, the ACLU doesn't have a dollar menu.
11:54 AM on 04/21/2013
If what people want is for him to pay for his crimes, then dismissing the case is the best way to make that happen. You can be sure he'll face the consequences from the American public.
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Jeff Phinney
Someone stole my micro-bio
11:05 AM on 04/21/2013
I say Mirandize him. If he's able to understand his wrongs, he no doubt won't be able to comprehend his rights.