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msmanatee
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07:33 PM on 05/09/2013
"John Meyer, the prosecuting attorney in Lewis County, told the Associated Press that he did not expect Hatfield to face any charges for failing to report the abuse because Hatfield is not required to report it under state law."

The law continues: "For the purposes of this subsection, ‘severe abuse’ means any of the following: Any single act of abuse that causes physical trauma of sufficient severity that, if left untreated, could cause death; any single act of sexual abuse that causes significant bleeding, deep bruising, or significant external or internal swelling; or more than one act of physical abuse, each of which causes bleeding, deep bruising, significant external or internal swelling, bone fracture, or unconsciousness.”

It's seems that it is okay to NOT report a case of child sexual assault if there is not bleeding, deep bruising or swelling...are you freaking kidding me. What kind of sexual deviant/predator wrote this law? Oh, and how convenient for the Senator.
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rockydog1
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08:59 PM on 05/09/2013
A crazy law, isn't it? So would the victim's dad been arrested had he shot a person raping his child?
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GrimesSue
09:35 PM on 05/09/2013
I think that prosecuter should be run out of office next election.Shameful.
01:22 PM on 05/10/2013
I know the father and live in the same county. When I was railroaded because I spoke out for what I perceived as corruption in our criminal justice system, prison counselors told me it is one of the most corrupt counties in the state. The sheriff at the time sure proved it to me.
06:32 PM on 05/09/2013
You don't plead guilty to 4 counts of rape and 4 counts of child molestation if you were only engaging in "inappropriate behavior" like kissing.
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rockydog1
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09:02 PM on 05/09/2013
Ou said it, Billy Bob. This was a rape and nothing less. This rapist is going to end up in prison in about 3 years. And Daddy and stepmom keep making excuses for him. Well daddy, after the next election you will have all kinds of time to be a parent to your rapist son. You will be unemployed.
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ginakay99
Please cite your source for your made up numbers
09:44 PM on 05/09/2013
Thank you.
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billy goat
06:26 PM on 05/09/2013
Now when I was a kid in the 60s, I played doctor with kids who were both older and younger than me of both sexes. I preferred the boys, but you do what you can. Mostly it was boys within a year or two of one another's ages. I'm not the only one either. Lots of my adult male friends report this in their past. I don't recall anyone coercing me or visa versa. When we got tired of looking and poking, we went on to other things. I guess I should be thankful, we didn't all have to register as sex offenders! Some of this activity even continued on into the "scouting years". hmmmm.
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07:04 PM on 05/09/2013
Um, there was a lot more happening in this case like first degree rape than "looking and poking."
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billy goat
07:13 PM on 05/09/2013
Umm given what i was poking  and where, it doesn't really sound that different.
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ginakay99
Please cite your source for your made up numbers
09:44 PM on 05/09/2013
You specifically said there was no coercion with you. " Lewis County court records show the 15-year-old pleaded guilty Tuesday to four charges of child molestation and four charges of raping a child."

Pleaded guilty to RAPE. Not experimentation, or playing doctor. RAPE.
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Tommy Bryan Boyer
Micro? Mega babe, Mega!!!!
08:39 PM on 05/09/2013
Thank for your honest.y I was out a gay at fifteen and looking for action with men, not children. So let's keep this in perspective.
06:23 PM on 05/09/2013
Why isn't anybody addressing the face that this state senator allowed his son into public school, knowing he was a danger to others and a sexual deviant? I get that one needs to be careful when placing judgement, but when it comes to a blatant disregard for my kids safety I cannot afford to not judge immediately and with extreme predujice
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pnllsprkf
GOD Please help us
06:53 PM on 05/09/2013
nothing happened at school---judge not lest ye be judged--karma isn't very understanding
09:09 PM on 05/09/2013
So it's OK as long as these types don't do it where exactly?

Geez ....
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ginakay99
Please cite your source for your made up numbers
09:41 PM on 05/09/2013
They should have taken the teen out of school and put him in counseling immediately. Then they should have helped the younger boy get help.
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MyTwoCentsB4Taxes
Name isn't Casey. Call me that, I call you Cupcake
06:16 PM on 05/09/2013
I don't know what additional information might be out there but this article only mentions that the parents witnessed "inappropriate behavior." That's a very vague term that might just mean kissing. Just something to keep in mind for the people who are castigating the parents based on that ambiguous little phrase.
09:12 PM on 05/09/2013
State Sen. Brian Hatfield did not contact authorities after his wife discovered his 15-year-old son sexually abusing a younger child in February, according to documents filed in Lewis County Superior Court last month.

From the Seattle Times
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ginakay99
Please cite your source for your made up numbers
09:39 PM on 05/09/2013
No, they had more information than that. They had contacted an attorney, who was helping to arrange counseling and for the teen to turn himself in. They just took their sweet time about it.
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MyTwoCentsB4Taxes
Name isn't Casey. Call me that, I call you Cupcake
12:34 AM on 05/10/2013
What specific information did they have?
06:09 PM on 05/09/2013
Why is the Hatfield boy identified as he is a 15 year old juvenile?
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Don Carleone
06:48 PM on 05/09/2013
Because, he's a sociopathic pedophile!
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rockydog1
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09:06 PM on 05/09/2013
Because he is a rapist. Not a tagger or joy rider. There is no law aginst journalists releasing names, just law enforcement.
05:55 PM on 05/09/2013
No base for filing any charges? He allowed his son into public school after he was made aware of the abuse. He was still trying to get his son into counseling 6 weeks after finding out about the abuse? No he didn't have his son in counseling because what would he say the issue was. That action would have meant exposure. We don't need him to represent anybody.
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boscobear
05:55 PM on 05/09/2013
How about reporting it just because of common decency and it's the right thing to do!
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rockydog1
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09:08 PM on 05/09/2013
Also, I would expect there is a great possibility there are other victims. Most rapists and molesters typically have over 100 victims before they get got the first time.
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VinAZ
I amV in AZ (not Vin). Bring back the old format,
05:55 PM on 05/09/2013
We can top that in Arizona, our present Sec of State's son pled guilty of doing same to younger boys with a broom handle And our present Governor's son was found guilty of breaking into a women's apt and raping her. Both are GOP and both helped their son's get special treatment deals.
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OutToLunch
veni, vidi, i'm outta here.....
07:21 PM on 05/09/2013
wow. first i'm hearing of it, so apparently, they squashed those really well.

w tf is going on with Arizona these days??
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VinAZ
I amV in AZ (not Vin). Bring back the old format,
12:37 AM on 05/10/2013
Ha, not these days, most of the voters knew of this before they were in their present
positions. Jan Brewer was a state senator then with pull and she managed to have him moved to our state mental hospital to serve rather than prison, even though he never used the mental defense. Mr Benette also went to court and managed to get a slap on the wrist. This all happened years agoi, google Brewer and Bennett criminal sons for fun reading. The one we recalled, Russell Pearce, also has a son in prison,he's a real doozy too, not sure if he's done all his time or not. Yup, all our GOP
"leaders" are very successful parents! LOL Bennett and Pearce are both members of the "family values" Mormon bunch. Nice!
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VinAZ
I amV in AZ (not Vin). Bring back the old format,
12:56 AM on 05/10/2013
Oops forgot, google for yet more fun, our recent county board supervisor, Mr Brock, another GOP Mormon, whose wife is serving time for the sexual abuse of her boyfriend. Problem is he was 13 or 14 when she started about 3 years ago.. The kid and his parents was attended services in the same Ward as the Brock. At least Mr Brock didn't run again.

Yup AZ family values "Leaders" would be tough for any other state to beat!
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10:30 PM on 05/09/2013
Not to make light of it, but that was hazing, not rape.
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VinAZ
I amV in AZ (not Vin). Bring back the old format,
04:27 PM on 05/10/2013
I know they said that but the parents and prosecutor didn't think so, and brought charges for that perverted "hazing". I wonder if the family of that dead drum major case a couple years ago, call his death hazing or murder,hmm.
05:54 PM on 05/09/2013
So he contacts an attorney's office and it is never suggested to him that the kid needs to be removed from public school at the very least or even the public in general. How hard was Hatfield working to get the victim some counseling? The attorney's office never suggests that he calls the authorities? Whether it is a law or not, it is a morality issue and he needs to resign for not reporting the abuse to authorities, protecting the victim and the public. It is not an issue of whether I like Senator Hatfield or not, he put my kids at risk by not reporting the incident or letting the school know and I am outraged. How do you attempt to get counseling? It takes less than 24 hours to get counseling, especially in child abuse and rape cases. I don't doubt it one bit that the prosecutors in this state don't have the courage to take on a state senator, who has lost all credibility. Why aren't reporters digging into this and asking questions and getting all the details??
05:51 PM on 05/09/2013
Both are young so it sounds like it was handled properly with therapy! Being heavy handed will cause more harm than good! Should keep a close watch on the perpetrator for a long time though and if it reoccurs especially as an adult then use the big stick.
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Joan Gagnon
05:50 PM on 05/09/2013
Four counts of rape and four counts of child molestation, a 10 year old and a 15 year old? The 10 year old is the one that needs the therapy and the 15 year old, altho may be in a good sex offenders program need to be in jail for a lot longer then he is..He was going to get him some counseling? This is the law that this father and son is hiding behind, and lawyer : ""For the purposes of this subsection, ‘severe abuse’ means any of the following: Any single act of abuse that causes physical trauma of sufficient severity that, if left untreated, could cause death; any single act of sexual abuse that causes significant bleeding, deep bruising, or significant external or internal swelling; or more than one act of physical abuse, each of which causes bleeding, deep bruising, significant external or internal swelling, bone fracture, or unconsciousness" The child was 10 years old for gods sake.
Hatfield , you aren't doing your son any favors by using any loophole law you can find, and blaming it on a catastrophic loss in your sons life. You are the one that was suppose to fill that void, and if this is one of your excuses, did you not see he was troubled in any way in the 5 years between 2007 and 2012/13 ? I tend to agree with the other person that posted, where did he learn this behavior, was he himself abused ?
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Sral Rolyat
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05:42 PM on 05/09/2013
Punishing a child for child rape?

No wonder our country is so sexually obsessed. We do everything we can to hinder any sexual development or exploration until it becomes a perversion.

Ever consider that sexuality between children is normal and if it is unusual (like this case) then the right response is therapy. NOT criminal prosecution.
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ginakay99
Please cite your source for your made up numbers
05:51 PM on 05/09/2013
What part of the word RAPE don't you understand.

You are part of the problem.

It's not "sexual development" or "exploration" or "normal" for a 15 yo boy to RAPE a 10 yo boy.

Are you serious?
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Sral Rolyat
We deserve the worst government we will tolerate.
06:31 PM on 05/09/2013
Yes I am serious. And it is you that does not understand the word "rape".

Rape is not inherently voilent. It legally means one person was not able to give consent under the legal standards of consent.

In this case. There was no physical force or coercion. These was two children were voluntarily participating. However, since children are not old enough to legally consent to sex play it is rape if one child fits any of various legal distinctions that differ wildly by state and are often arbitrary.

If you accept that a 10 year old is not too young to play with a 15 year old then you have to accept the possibility of sex play since sex play is normal development between children at play. CHildren are not particularly mobile and their playmates are often determined by the children that live nearby. 10 and 15 year old playing together is neither unusual or abhorrent.

This required intervention and therapy NOT criminal prosecution.
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MyTwoCentsB4Taxes
Name isn't Casey. Call me that, I call you Cupcake
06:07 PM on 05/09/2013
It's pretty clear from the potential punishments outlined above that the age of the kid was taken into consideration. What's not clear from the article is whether the contact was consensual and 15 is old enough to know you shouldn't force yourself on another person.
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Sral Rolyat
We deserve the worst government we will tolerate.
06:09 PM on 05/09/2013
It was according to the article no violence was used and force constitutes violence as does the threat of force so it was consensual.
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vista007
05:41 PM on 05/09/2013
The law concerning reporting needs to be seriously looked at. According to the law If you catch someone raping someone "gently" (without causing physical trauma) It doesn't have to be reported! That's just insane! That poor 11 year old boy will likely be mentally traumatized for a very long time (if not for the rest of his life). This was no isolated incident. And I can guarantee that the 15 year old new exactly what he was doing. I wonder if the boy was molested by his father or some other grown male in his life. That may explain why the father did not report it.
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billy goat
06:28 PM on 05/09/2013
the chances of the older kid having been molested by his father are greatly increased if the father is a priest or a politician.
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rockydog1
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09:15 PM on 05/09/2013
Well that is a reach. But it is still no excuse. Otherwise we would not prosecute someone for murder if they killed the son of the person who killed the guy's friend or parent.
You should not accuse anyone of rape unless you know for sure.
05:40 PM on 05/09/2013
"Difficult childhood"? His father is a politician who one assumes is financially stable and had the ability to get the boy counseling if his childhood had, in fact, been that "difficult". How many children lose a parent? Quit making excuses for that child molester. They know good and G.D. well he wasn't going to turn himself in. Thank God that boy told someone.