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HonestJohnnis
02:54 AM on 06/13/2013
Peta should stop "mercy" killing all those animals in their shelters.
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SusanElizabeth1949
My micro-bio may be empty but my head isn't.
10:55 AM on 06/18/2013
This is their latest inanity http://www.examiner.com/article/wanted-feral-hogs-seeking-refuge-from-human-harm I wonder if they have ever seen feral hogs in action, fencing even very expensive fencing will stop a bunch of feral hogs about as fast as it would stop an Abrams Tank.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
02:15 AM on 06/13/2013
OK -- I've done another one of my audits. Unprovoked attacks by carnists on vegans -- 2. Unprovoked attacks by vegans on carnists -- 0. Seeing lichenrock's repeated assertion that vegans on HP are always attacking carnists fall flat (again) PRICELESS.

Yes, some of us vegans (well me in particular) don't mind responding to insults and attacks. But when we respond don't try using our responses to suggest that we are obnoxious. I will call you out (if I happen to have some time to kill).

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04:08 AM on 06/13/2013
There are none so blind as those that will not see. I'm afraid your "auditing" skills are pathetically inadequate. You're "spin" skills appear to be fully functional, though.
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11:45 AM on 06/13/2013
Lichenrock, check these tolerant and peaceful vegans out:

http://www.vice.com/read/vegans-are-branding-themselves-in-solidarity-with-cows
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11:34 AM on 06/13/2013
The bar for an "attack" is quite low. I hope you aren't so sensitive to critique in the workplace or in personal relationships as most adults face such things daily.

Regardless, your cherry-picking of the HP comment board holds no leverage on the issue. Your true colors have shown when you went on a tirade about "carnists" and their all-meat diets, as much as you were trying to hold back your obvious vegan elitism. Exemplary "Im better than" attitude, you assume that anyone who is not a vegan eats nothing but fatty meat and garbage. I guess you think it is impossible for anyone not vegan to have a healthy, well balanced diet? I like a mix of meats, veggies, fruits, dairy, and grains. Tastes great and my doc says my health is good. Best part is I don't have to take supplements to prevent me from becoming a weak, frail twig. That reminds me, ever met a vegan who does a substantial amount of physical labor for a living? It would be hard to do all of that if they are bloated, tired, and constipated all the time as you suggest.

The tolerance charge to vegans is something I find dubious as well. If vegans are so tolerant, why are so many of them activists? Why the t-shirts, bumper stickers, farm documentaries, etc? I don't buy it.
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01:05 PM on 06/13/2013
Heck, a lot of vegans aren't even tolerant and peaceful toward other vegans: http://happyherbivore.com/2011/10/im-not-vegan-anymore/
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
08:10 PM on 06/13/2013
C'mon.  You are lichenrock under another avatar.  That mind-bending lack of basic comprehension skill coupled with an ability to effortlessly string together a series of non sequiturs is fairly rare, and it is too much of a coincidence that the two carnists who are active on this blog happen to each possess both "skills".
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SionShankel
My opinons are all done sans pants
12:37 AM on 06/13/2013
Really Richmond VA but not San Francisco? I can walk a few blocks and every place has vegan choices AND at least one of those places will be totally vegan.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:57 AM on 06/13/2013
Nice post.
09:37 AM on 06/13/2013
And....In Richmond how many do you see?
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NYCastoria
The more I learn, the less I no.
11:46 PM on 06/12/2013
I don't eat anything with a face. But vegan may not provide the full nutrition an average American needs. They can barely eat anything that's healthy.
Over 70% of farmland is used to grow feed for animal meat plus these animals are pumped with hormones and antibiotics.
If Americans only ate ONE meal with meat each day, the suffering of cage-raised animals and the state of the environment would be a monumental change forever benefiting our planet.
If...
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:57 AM on 06/13/2013
I think you are having a go at vegans, but thanks for your post.
06:51 AM on 06/13/2013
I don't think there was any anti vegan sentiment in there. People are allowed to be of the opinion that a vegan diet may not meet their needs. I don't feel that the Catholic church meets my needs, but me saying that doesn't mean that I am bashing them...just a thought :)
06:57 AM on 06/13/2013
I think that is a great suggestion considering how 'dependent' on meat many seem to be. Nothing helped us reduce our meat consumption faster than shifting to organic (we refuse factory farmed meats). It is outrageously expensive, but if my partner insists on eating meat I am going to do my best to ensure that it is pastured and rendered as close to its home as possible in hopes its over all quality of life was better than that of a factory animal.
I on the other hand, am with you on this one-I don't eat anything with a face.
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Anne Mccormick
11:44 PM on 06/12/2013
One hallmark of a great city is that it has a large variety of restaurants that offer all kinds of food.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:57 AM on 06/13/2013
Nice post.
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doctor pangloss
the best of all possible worlds
03:32 AM on 06/13/2013
Boy it's really rough living in a hick town full of lumberjacks,it's steak and eggs for breakfast,steak and taters for lunch,and steak and steak for supper and not a vegan joint for 50 miles.
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DrObvious
No more business as usual
09:49 PM on 06/12/2013
surprising to see PETA  find anything positive in Texas,  slaughterhouse to the world for critters and prisoners
but a state that big has room for all sorts, clearly
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:58 AM on 06/13/2013
Not sure who you are having a dig at, seems to be PETA and Texas? Love your post. Thanks!
09:44 PM on 06/12/2013
I've had some of the best BBQ ever in Austin. One of my favorite places on the planet. They truly have something for everyone.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:59 AM on 06/13/2013
Excellent 4Monticello - I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
05:26 PM on 06/12/2013
LOVE that so many cities are embracing the future of food!
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:59 AM on 06/13/2013
Yes, it is great.
03:55 PM on 06/12/2013
Love Austin -- always have a great time there, and the abundance of vegan food is all the more reason to visit! (Of course, the other cities on PETA's list are great, too...)
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
01:59 AM on 06/13/2013
Thanks! Very nice.
03:48 PM on 06/12/2013
It absolutely amazes me the flack that people get for going on a vegan diet. Why so serious......so we choose not to eat any animal product. Why would that bother anyone? Maybe people just need to get a life and worry about themselves. As far as the comment about vegans feeling superior??? Just the opposite....we don't feel superior to animals which is why we don't eat them.....
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04:00 PM on 06/12/2013
Who's bothered by it? I don't think anybody is worried about whether you eat a vegan diet -- until you go into a mainstream restaurant and get all snippy when they don't have a big pot of "vegan cassoulet" waiting just for you. Then they're not actually bothered by your diet, but by your 'tude.
02:44 AM on 06/13/2013
We are all ready to eat healthy nutritious plant-based food ! Let's drop the BIG Meat production profiteering business in this country and you will see how many diseases and ailments will vanish almost instantly. You are what you eat ! Pray tell me, how do you feel after eating fresh organic meal like avocado, cucumbers, walnuts, almonds, arugula, tomatoes or full of hormones meat of a sentient being ? I wish you to be healthy and thrive ! I bet you Namaste !
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Greenzen
Be Peace
02:48 PM on 06/13/2013
When a mainstream restaurant does not have at least one entree for vegans they lose money. I am vegan and went into a restaurant with three friends. The place had nothing to offer me. The restaurant owner watched about $150.00 walk out the door.
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06:21 PM on 06/12/2013
You have taken the comment about moral superiority way out of context. I was referring to attitudes toward other humans, not animals.
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J0E1
Don't blame me, I'm not a republicrat.
12:57 PM on 06/12/2013
Hey PETA, thanks for saving those brainless chickens from slaughter.  How many dogs and cats have you put down today?  
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
02:00 AM on 06/13/2013
Attack on PETA, and not very pleasant statement about chickens. Pretty sure you're not a mean mean vegan. I will have to keep looking.
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HonestJohnnis
02:54 AM on 06/13/2013
Exactly.
11:50 AM on 06/12/2013
"At this rate, it won't be long before Seattle's vegan-friendly joints outnumber its coffee shops."
You, sir, are nuts.

"People in Seattle consume more coffee than in any other American city; one study stated that there are 35 coffeeshops per 100,000 residents and that Seattle people spend an average of $36 a month on coffee.[1] It is nearly impossible to walk past a single block in a commercial area in Seattle without walking past at least one coffee shop. Coffee drinkers can get coffee at a local sidewalk stand, parking lot, tiny coffee houses, big coffee houses, drive-through, and even delivery.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_in_Seattle
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02:59 PM on 06/12/2013
LOL! Vegans often seem to over-estimate their growing numbers. They don't seem to understand that even doubling a tiny number just gives you a slightly less tiny number.
03:22 PM on 06/12/2013
2% of 320,000,000 means a lot of people, nationally.  But hey, it's not percent of coffee drinkers in Seattle territory.  
07:02 AM on 06/13/2013
LOL
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
11:32 AM on 06/12/2013
"...but they can require more planning to ensure you get adequate nutrients. "

Not really. Basically all of the vegan nutritional advice one can give applies for *any* diet, really. E.g eat lots of whole, unprocessed foods and a variety of them.
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HerrMonk
Pro-Athlete/Trainer Ex-National Security Consult
12:41 PM on 06/12/2013
Yeah, but but there's lots of stuff you have to really search for on a veg-based diet, that are easily found in animal products.

For example, it will take lots of planning not to end up getting 70%+ of your calories from carbs, since all but a tiny handful of unprocessed, whole, plant foods are carb sources by at least a 2:1 ratio.
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
01:16 PM on 06/12/2013
I assure you that vegans can get plenty of calories without depending on 70% carbs. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.
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sindurrella
now where did I put my bootstraps?
04:09 PM on 06/12/2013
I wouldn't concern myself over a vegan's nutrition. It's hard to find a diabetic vegan, an obese vegan, or a severely malnourished vegan. Whereas, you can walk down any city street and brush shoulders with so called meat eaters who believe a varied diet means Burgers on Monday, Tacos on Tuesday, Pizza on Friday, etc.....and don't we all know meat eaters who cringe at the thought of a string bean or don't want "rabbit food" on their burger or cannot stand any veg except corn?
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01:02 PM on 06/12/2013
Gee, it's so easy! That must be why so many vegans eventually develop health problems.
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
01:15 PM on 06/12/2013
Straight up, unsubstantiated BS. There's a mountain of studies showing that vegans are less likely to develop heart disease, certain types of cancer and diabetes. If anyone develops health problems, it's the majority of Americans who eat whatever the TV tells them to.
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terminalboredom
And it's all falling to bits ... Gloriously!
02:35 PM on 06/12/2013
I have been vegan for over 20 years and am in excellent health. So are all my vegan friends. Where do you get your (mis)information?
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11:25 AM on 06/12/2013
Why do vegans always pretend that vegan food actually tastes good? Who do they think they are fooling- themselves? It's bad enough that they constantly brag about how morally superior they are for not eating animal products but really, the food isn't that good. I had a friend insist that I try a vegan restaurant. I got excited because of how much he hyped the food. When I ate it, I was thoroughly disappointed. Tasteless and I left hungry. I guess if you do zero physical labor throughout the day you might be fulfilled by a vegan diet but between that and the taste of the food, I don't know how vegans do it.
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03:08 PM on 06/12/2013
I notice that one of the favorite words in the vegan vocabulary is "yummy." Not only infantile, but methinks they doth protest too much.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
02:06 AM on 06/13/2013
lichenrock! I'm shocked. Someone has just started a conversation on here that is an attack on vegans, and you are supporting them. Next thing, you might even suggest that this was provoked by mocham8 (above), but before doing that you might want to check the time stamps and the laws of physics.

Use of the term "infantile" is not very pleasant is it? And you weren't even responding to anyone who attacked you. You were just piling on with a carnist who decided to see if they could provoke some vegan response. Naughty naught boy.

Do you mind if I keep searching for this mythical vegan attack dog?
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
11:37 PM on 06/12/2013
Before I was a vegan I once went to a place that served me meat. I was thoroughly disappointed. Tasteless. I didn't leave hungry because I just poured cheese sauce over it and ate it anyway. All that fat really filled me up. Left me feeling a bit constipated, bloated and tired, but there was no risk I was going to be losing my ever increasing belly anytime soon.

Now I just run around saying that carnists are always pretending that their food actually tastes good. Who do they think they are fooling - themselves? Take away the saturated fat and what do you have left? Seriously, if the highlight of your diet is saturated fat you wonder why carnists don't just buy a tub of it and swill it down like powerade.

All those vegans who eat just the top 991 out of the 1000 foods available and creatively combine them together using techniques from around the world are just kidding themselves. Only meat, dairy, and eggs taste good, right?
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04:16 AM on 06/13/2013
Do you actually think that all the fat in meat (and eggs and dairy) is saturated fat? Poor you! So ill-informed! And do you think that people who eat meat, fish, dairy, and eggs can't or don't eat all those other "991 out of the 1000 foods available" as well? Poor you again.
10:13 AM on 06/12/2013
veganism is wrong because they dont eat meat.
11:44 AM on 06/12/2013
Wow. So much wrong with that.
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humanehuman
Kindness suits you - wear it proudly
02:08 AM on 06/13/2013
Pretty sure that is an unprovoked attack on veganism - but thank you for your contribution. As another carnist who is attacking veganism lichenrock is going to be very annoyed at you for embarrassing him. In the meantime, I will have to keep looking for one of these "superior" vegan attack dogs.