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03:58 AM on 06/23/2013
Isn't it too early to talk about Lebron's place in history. That is usually done in latter part of career. I can see talking about Kobe but Lebron's place.
06:15 PM on 06/23/2013
I agree with you. He should play at least another three seasons before they start talking about his place in basketball history. That has been my rule. Let a player be in the league for 12 to 13yrs before you start talking about their legacy. Lebron could be playing another 10 seasons as far as we know right now.
06:39 PM on 06/23/2013
I agree, but they have nothing else to talk about currently. And with him knocking on the door as being one of the nba's next great athlete, all they want to do is speculate. I wish they would just let it be, then maybe people wouldn't be getting so upset over the whole thing.
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AKheh
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01:12 AM on 06/23/2013
Lebron's place in NBA history is yet to be determined. He is a great player no doubt. But he has yet to exhibit the refusal to lose that defines true greatness. Team sports are defined by these individuals. No matter the game, there are those who through personal determination and force of will, prevail. In the 80's he would have been an all star. But so was Julius Erving. And in a game of one on one I'd put my money on the Doctor. And Connie Hawkins or Roger Brown would have smoked him big time.
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hrc04
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09:13 AM on 06/23/2013
If he hasn't shown a refusal to lose, what was the 4th quarter of game 6? Or game 6 against the celtics last year? Or the finals last year when he played through severe cramps and hit a clutch 3? Or his top all time scoring average in game 7s? Or his overall stats in elimination games?
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06:09 PM on 06/23/2013
Don't confuse us with facts.
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08:13 PM on 06/23/2013
Or May 31st, 2007... where he put on one of the greatest and most dominant playoff performances of all time... SINGLE-HANDEDLY beating the Detroit Pistons.
09:22 AM on 06/23/2013
"he has yet to exhibit the refusal to lose that defines true greatness"

You must have slept through Games 4, 6 and 7 of the Finals.
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11:52 PM on 06/22/2013
I have been a rabid, serious basketball guy since 1965...I'd say: Russell/Jordan ( tie), Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Kobe, Bird, LBJ ( for now), Shaq, Robertson, West, Isaiah, Olajuwan, Durant (for now), K Malone
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08:56 AM on 06/23/2013
Catfish ... Russell stands alone ...
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08:14 PM on 06/23/2013
Bill Russell was an inch shorter than Chris Bosh and 10 pounds lighter. He would get destroyed in today's game.
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10:44 PM on 06/25/2013
Ezra- i wont disagree. in fact this guy arguing with you is borderline clueless in his arguments . comparing bosh to russell is like comparing a .275 baseball hitter with 20 home runs each year to willie Mays... Russell was the fastest, most agile ,smartest, msot atheltic big man ever, atleastt as fierce a competitor as jordan. he had a 42 inch vertical. he blocked 12 shots a game and 22 rebounds in a much more dense league ( 100 total pro players vs. todays 400). if Russell Kareem and Wilt were on juice and weights like today's players,they would be beyond monstrous. they are all 3 way, way better than any NB A center now..by this guy's logic, 7-6 Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol were better than Russell....so was Greg Ostertag... also , anyone who considers the ultimate complete guard Jerry West as a "specialist" is indeed a by definition a painfully unknowledgable guy not worth debating.
09:26 AM on 06/23/2013
Not a bad list, although Duncan is a better (in my opinion considerably better) PF than Karl Malone. Here's my top five:

1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. (tie) Michael Jordan/Oscar Robertson

I'm having a tough time separating Kareem from Lebron. But I would absolutely put Lebron ahead of Kobe. It's not just that he can guard the 1-4 spots, he can shut down anyone in the 1-4 spots. He's a much better passer than Kobe, his midrange jumper is improving and is his post game, and he showed us in these Finals that he's become clutch.
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08:16 PM on 06/23/2013
Oh come on...

Jordan is #1, and anyone who questions that is insane.
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Mary Catter
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10:40 PM on 06/22/2013
Love it that LeBron realizes that Bosh and Allen made Game 7 possible. The Heat shouldn't change anything at this point. Ray Allen, Anderson, Chalmers, Miller, Battier, should all get a raise. Their is no "I" in team and I believe LeBron realizes they all get better from here on out. Congrats again Heat!
09:27 AM on 06/23/2013
Somehow they need to add some bulk down low. They nearly lost to a good but not great Pacers team because they have nothing down low. This is a glaring weakness that the rest of the league can see. The Bulls should have Deng and Rose back next year which will make them formidable. The Heat should make a few adjustments in order to keep up. But hey, they've been to three straight Finals so you don't want to break up a good thing.
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09:23 PM on 06/22/2013
I fell asleep during the last four minutes or so during the game. This former long time Miami-Dade county resident missed it.

Congrats though to all of the Heat.

I read a lot of the comments from the team members after the game from a USA Today article.

Tied into the comments shown here, I have to say, all of the team members, including James, are down to earth men with normal (Not inflated) egos.

They are all very talented men, with a strong sense of the team concept.

Kudos to the team, both team wise and individually.
09:28 AM on 06/23/2013
My oh my. You missed a great four minutes of basketball. This was one of the best Game 7s ever.
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10:11 AM on 06/23/2013
Thanks.

Make me feel worse now.

LOL. JK.

I am sure that it was.
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06:11 PM on 06/23/2013
Correction: Miami-Wade county resident
09:03 PM on 06/22/2013
Lebron James will become known, historically, as the real life Incredible Hulk....indestructible, never defeated, etc, etc, etc....with any luck (for fans of basketball) his Hulk size ego will take him to the NFL, where he can find out if a flick of his elbow will send people flying across the field as easily as it does across the court,,,,until he leaves the NBA basketball won't be enjoyable to watch.
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02:14 PM on 06/24/2013
sorry that you can't appreciate one of the greatest to ever do it.
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08:42 PM on 06/22/2013
I like the fact that D Wade, and Lebron hang out on, and off the court. They have fun; they like each other, and are friends. I've always felt as though Kobe is a lonely man. I may be wrong but it appears that's he's never really hung out with anyone on the Lakers, or that he has a male best friend, etc. I think that's something special in life that Kobe has missed out on.
06:50 PM on 06/23/2013
Magic said it best after game 7, that Dwayne Wade is the greatest unselfish superstar to ever play the game. Dwayne was admitted that it wasn't easy, but still contributes to the team and lets Lebron shine. Looking around the league, should show you. The Heat have been successful because they have the right superstars. Just throwing a bunch together doesn't guarantee success, like the Lakers.
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YOKEL13
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07:28 PM on 06/22/2013
Only a handful of athletes have a "place in history".

I'd nominate Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, Jim Thorpe, Hank Aaron, Muhammad Ali...

Did I miss anyone?
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AKheh
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01:14 AM on 06/23/2013
Bill Russell.
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cybolt
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02:34 AM on 06/23/2013
EXACTLY!

I'd have him in that group before Aaron, who I respect immensely.
Also, dont you have to include Babe Ruth?
In fact, without Ruth and a record considered "out of reach," there's really no Aaron.
09:42 AM on 06/23/2013
Julius Irving
09:30 AM on 06/23/2013
I'm not sure how you're defining a "place in history." It would appear that race is a critical element. If that's the case then you should add Jesse Owens to the list.
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YOKEL13
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11:43 AM on 06/23/2013
You're right... Owens should be on the list.

I'm defining "place in history" as making an impact beyond the world of sport.
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06:07 PM on 06/22/2013
Wait until he retires and then ask me.
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independendy
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04:16 PM on 06/22/2013
I definitely think Lebron truly earned this title. San Antonio let it slip away.
03:22 PM on 06/22/2013
As of now...

1) Michael Jordan
2) Magic Johnson
3) LeBron James
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04:15 PM on 06/22/2013
I still rank Larry Bird ahead of Lebron James.
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08:58 PM on 06/22/2013
LOL
09:32 AM on 06/23/2013
No way. Not to diminish Larry Bird. He really was a great player. But the only thing Larry did better was hit the long range jumper. Lebron is better in every other aspect of the game....much better in some aspects.
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06:09 PM on 06/22/2013
For consideration, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Bill Russell and Larry Bird.
06:45 PM on 06/22/2013
You could make an argument for any of those guys...
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02:54 PM on 06/22/2013
Wade is the best all around player for the heat but it is allway's James that get all the credit Why?
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03:00 PM on 06/22/2013
Remember how well Miami did when Wade was there alone? Its because Lebron is the best all around player in the NBA
03:23 PM on 06/22/2013
Do you even watch, or understand basketball???
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Spudito47
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01:16 PM on 06/22/2013
Remember, we are one Kawhi Leonard free throw away from an entirely different conversation. But congrats to Heat and James. Great season and great finish.

LeBron's place in history? Slow down. Why does everything have to happen instantly? James looks like he still may have another 8-10 seasons in him. He's at the top of his game now and still improving.

Ultimate greatness is measured by achievement (rings, records, numbers) over time. I believe James has moved into the top ten of all time but there are giants ahead of him now. Russell has more championships than James has years in the league and don't get me started about Chamberlain. Then there are a few others like Magic, Michael, Jabbar, Bird, Malone, Hayes, the Big O, The Doc, and more. Yes, even Kobe.

LeBron's a great one and should finish with a spectacular career. But remember folks, the NBA didn't begin with Jordan.
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09:06 PM on 06/22/2013
Do you really have a point? If he moved into the top ten then that's his current place in history. With Russell you jumped to championships but said dont get me started with a list that included Big O who has one ring. Clearly rings aren't the only metric to judge him by.

If you comb through the way everyone won their rings, I'm sure you'll find a game that could have gone a different direction.

I don't understand where the last sentence came from. It would make more sense to say it didn't start with Magic and Bird,
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Spudito47
Don't wanna be a bum you better chew gum ...
09:55 PM on 06/22/2013
Last sentence is for those who think 1984 is the beginning of NBA time. Your point is well taken, for many others, NBA Genesis is Magic and Bird. Great pro players abounded before those two.

Greatness can be measured in various ways. If it's rings, then Russell is the man. If you are going by records, Wilt takes it.

I can't think of anyone at any time who wouldn't want the Big O running the show. In 61-62, the dude AVERAGED a triple-double for the entire season: 30.8ppg, 11.4a, 12.5r. 181 triple-doubles in his career. O was the only PLAYER ever to total 900 assists and 900 rebounds in a season. As you know, he was a guard. The National Association of Basketball Coaches named Oscar Robertson the "Player of the Century." One ring not withstanding, I'd be cautious about dismissing the Big O. LeBron is not Oscar Robertson.

My point seems to have escaped you. I'll repeat. LeBron is a wonderful player and likely will finish with a fabulous career. I read lots of posts by folks, however, who are ready to crown King James as the best (or best two or three) ever. I'm saying not so fast. He's not that person yet.

Can you envision 6 or 8 more years for James? I can. Then let's talk about his place in history.
09:36 AM on 06/23/2013
Hey Spud, I was backing you up earlier in this thread but I have to disagree with you here. You could also say that the Spurs were one Tony Parker circus shot away from making this a short series. There are always what ifs in a series.
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Spudito47
Don't wanna be a bum you better chew gum ...
06:14 PM on 06/23/2013
No, no! I don't think we disagree at all. In fact that is my point. Little things can mean so much especially in a close-fought, seven-game series. There are many what-ifs both ways.  A missed free throw here, a circus shot there, a poor call/no call can all change a game and, indeed even a championship.  
A four-game sweep is a different kettle of fish but this year I think either team could have won and neither team dominated the other.  Lots of momentum shifts.  Lots of ebbs and flows. The Heat had it down the stretch when it counted. Kudos to James.  
I think the Finals were very entertaining.  The Heat won and deserved it. Had the Spurs pulled it out in game seven I'd say the same thing.  Good calls, bad calls, breaks, all tend to even out and I think that was true this year.  Nobody got lucky. Nobody got robbed.  
Judging by your moniker I'd say you are a Heat fan. Congrats! 
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12:36 PM on 06/22/2013
Did Obama congratulate the Miami Heats this year like he did in 2012?
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09:06 PM on 06/22/2013
Yep
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12:21 PM on 06/22/2013
totally fixed game
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09:07 PM on 06/22/2013
LOL uh no but many people say things like this when they really want someone other than Lebron to win.
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09:51 PM on 06/22/2013
Please, present your evidence.