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SHOCKEDAGAIN
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07:12 PM on 06/29/2013
The paragraph which was left out of my previous comment:

Francis, the first Roman Catholic pope from the Americas, is also the first pope to have taught high school chemistry. I am a 48-year member of ACS, have always identified myself as a chemist, and have had the utmost respect for my fellow chemists. At ACS meetings I have found other members to be open-minded, to possess a sense of curiosity, and to be eager to learn from one another. Although I attended a small, all-girls Catholic college, with strict rules and regulations, I have always been grateful for my excellent education.

My sister and I made up one-half of the senior physical chemistry class, and we had the opportunity to think freely while being guided by excellent, caring faculty. Hopefully, this type of thinking will influence the human race to stand back and consider positive resolutions to ongoing challenges.
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
07:11 PM on 06/29/2013
I just want to share here this article from Chemical Engineers News where the new Pope is announced. This is to elucidate a little more an aspect that Einstein did not find contradictory to his being a scientist much less for the application of it. The paragraph more relevant to my point is this:

http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i18/Chemistrys-Pope.html
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Mason J Stewart
Retired, Military, Theology
08:41 AM on 06/30/2013
Some people incorporate both after finding Science is part of creation just as well as what we do in life from day to day. Science and Religion should be combined.
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floridafun
Yes We Are!
09:28 AM on 06/30/2013
no they shouldnt be combined.
09:36 AM on 06/30/2013
The only thing worse than combining science and religion would be combining politics and religion.
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
04:06 PM on 06/30/2013
I am not implying science and religion should be combined.

Science and Religion are two different disciplines. Moreover, it will serve us better - much better - instead of teaching religion in school - it shouldn't - it's to teach comparative religion.

Comparative religion NOT religion. And civics. For those who question why not. And a lot more disciplines.

If you want a religion..., to outside the school system, if you have religion in school as class -- because it's a private catholic school - for example -- then teach it as separate as they are. And take out prayers. I don't know why it's such a revolutionary idea what I put out. We've been lulled into a slumber sleep. OM! Do we have to repeat all the wars from yesteryears? To learn anew? To remember? Study history then!
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08:07 PM on 06/30/2013
Well said.
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Molly D
06:11 PM on 06/29/2013
"Lesen Sie oft darin, und gedenken Sie dabei."

Tip of the hat to you thumpers here engaging me in friendly argument, about both physics and religion. Making it so, for the man.
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
08:45 PM on 06/29/2013
Remembering is what hopefully will continue doing...I hope.

I wrote a few comments in here when in fact one of them was meant for you and put it in the wrong place. Sorry.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
11:06 PM on 06/29/2013
I still have to meet a thumper who knows anything about physics.
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Molly D
11:19 PM on 06/29/2013
I used to work with one, an actual industrial chemist/physicist.   He was a strange solitary character.    Robotic one might say.   But yeah, that's rare.
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NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
06:57 PM on 06/30/2013
I do know a few of those rare birds. They are a conflicted lot.
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electricxebra
Research The TRUTH!
05:31 PM on 06/29/2013
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this." - Albert Einstein

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein

"When you understand why you don't believe in other people's gods, you will understand why I don't believe in yours."- Albert Einstein

www.godisimaginary.com
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Drom
07:23 PM on 06/29/2013
there are many quotes from Einstein that prove his atheism.
However, just an FYI, and to preserve your credibility (and that of atheists in general) that last quote is not from Einstein.. the attribution on "exchristian.com" not withstanding.
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Drom
07:28 PM on 06/29/2013
Here is the whole quote and proper attribution:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." ...Stephen F Roberts
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David Weidner
Ask me about my narcissism!
04:10 PM on 06/29/2013
I suppose this is "evidence" for god now. Even though we can all pull anti-religious quotes from Einstein at will.
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
07:19 PM on 06/29/2013
Only in the education of the US we find the strict animosity between science and religion. I just posted a paragraph here on the announcement on the new Pope Francis in the Chemical & Engineers News site.

I supposed it is because of the academic dogmatism that dominates the sciences now, which still are very entrenched in positivism. But this doesn't need to be the case.

This strict separation and antagonism is for me, one of the main reasons why a person in the US thinks there are two different options and can not be equally accepted or welcome if one is chosen. It's the duality I see in our culture and it's not helping the conviviality.
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David Weidner
Ask me about my narcissism!
07:34 PM on 06/29/2013
That's because America is more religious than most educated westernized countries.  That is the ONLY reason.  Europe and Asia have WAY less crazies to deal with.
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Molly D
10:48 PM on 06/29/2013
There are an assortment of reasons for this. First is that Christianity has a self-contradictory holy book. Divided into 3 parts. Old Testament, Christ's teachings, and Paul's. It is tailor-made for abusive application, and politicization. Add history to that, and you have dualities aplenty already before even considering science.

So to reconcile, and approach Christianity seriously requires considerable scholarship. Even then it trends toward allowing everyone to develop a rather personalized version, if they wish. Or to follow what they are brought up with, and submerge into a safety in numbers.

Likewise science has its own history, complexity, faiths and dogmas. Very complex. For any individual to know both very well, and then synthesize science and Christianity becomes a lifelong endeavor. It simply cannot be presented to anyone in a pre-wrapped package.

Thus the fundamentalist Christians, hostile to science, present themselves loudly as the self-appointed face of American religion. They are not deep thinkers. Scientists (generally) reduce the variables in their own thinking by sidestepping God. He does not participate in any equation whatsoever.

The camps are pitched. Some of us are in a crossfire merely for entertaining more complex ideas, and refusing to don a uniform of one or the other side.

If pressed, I admit to being a Nietzschean. Proud to have a faith so complex it defies explaining.
03:31 PM on 06/29/2013
I wonder what a koran signed by bin laden would fetch.
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Molly D
06:13 PM on 06/29/2013
Could be a bit of an authenticity problem there, but hey, that's what eBay is for, right?
06:21 PM on 06/29/2013
Very true!
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Michael Hallmark
09:31 AM on 06/30/2013
Why would there be an authenticity problem? bin laden was a more contemporary character, and obviously more religious.
09:43 PM on 06/29/2013
Quran dose not depend upon or require anybody's signature, unlike other books . . It was signed by the GOD Himself - One Universal GOD for all humans and all living being and total creation . Who is GOD of Abraham, Ismail , Ishaq, Jacob, Moses,Jesus,All other Prophets and last and final Prophet Mohammad ( peace upon them all ).
c0astalgreens
Your soul needs faith, bread alone won't do.
03:11 PM on 06/29/2013
"That´s why some atheist are very interested in destroying the myths." - jsdrt0616

If you sincerely and honestly want to destroy Myth, Fairy Tale, or Magic, you can start by destroying the following Myth,Magic,Fantasy of the worst kind:

----An unconscious tiny particle, after being blown by Big Bang away to eternity, miraculously MULTIPLIED out of NOTHING to create the infinite Universe, defying the Laws of Conservation of Mass in Physics- the subject that you hold so dear. And then, for some mysterious reason, that only Dawkins can understand, collapsed in an expanding Universe, they say.(Note: Collapsing while Expanding at the same time does not even make sense). And then, later, these blown unconscious particles that multiplied out of magic, rejoined to turn ALIVE and CONSCIOUS after billions of years.(Note: Unconscious particles turning Conscious defies logic ). These inconsistencies and incoherence have made Richard Dawkins and the rests to decide that "In The Beginning must be Biology" where Origin starts at the middle. Go figure if this makes sense to you, applying your good rationale.

And, after you successfully dismiss this magic of the worst kind, you will suddenly realize that there is nothing sensible left for you to choose but a loving Conscious Intelligent Designer. Please do it and save your soul.
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05:32 PM on 06/29/2013
"...suddenly realize that there is nothing sensible left for you to choose but a loving Conscious Intelligent Designer. Please do it and save your soul. "
A'sudden realization' still needs substantiation. Even if you disprove one you are still left to provide proof of the other. Your presupposition of a 'soul also' requires proof.
07:51 PM on 06/29/2013
You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
07:59 PM on 06/29/2013
First I need to say I am not religious, a liberal, and my background is in science and art both. I posted a few of my comments in here if you are interested, so as not to repeat myself.

I agree it requires proof but the ways to getting there might be with a completely new emerging methodology and a new way of thinking, epistemology to be exact.

I am not an expert on it, but I do like it and have studied it a bit.

I have read and seen some of the new researches done in the what many call pseudo-science, and I believe it bears attention and a open mind. To not dismiss all together and at least suspend them as a possibility of a reality we have not been able -yet- to empirically prove - but only because we are missing a piece of the puzzle or we have not really advanced in our fields of knowledge enough. Eventually we will get there.

Although, this is bearing in mind that the scientists studying them are already very satisfied with what they have found. But we still need to introduce the tolerance - even - to look at them objectively.
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Alex Prior
Abyssum abyssus invocat
05:44 PM on 06/29/2013
"Law of Conservation of Mass" simply states the in a CHEMICAL REACTION, the mass of the reactants equals the mass of the products.

But it also clearly states that matter can be changed from one form to another.
03:01 PM on 06/29/2013
For more, read articles that come by googling:
brief clear proof that god doesn't exist
03:00 PM on 06/29/2013
Think.

Use the light of reason and experiments to abate the Myths.

Accept only the Science, as our imperfect, but best TRUTH.
02:57 PM on 06/29/2013
Think.

Only if we ordinary people think by ourselves, we could become free from all the chains.

Don´t fall in the tricks of "The Owners of Some Spiritual Reveled Truth"
02:55 PM on 06/29/2013
Think. Observe that the "Owners of God" don't believe in their stuff.
02:53 PM on 06/29/2013
Have you realized why all governments eventually become happy with Religion?

Religion is over all, a chain for ordinary people.
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Stewart Goss
Collectivism leads to mass poverty
10:50 PM on 06/29/2013
Ever notice that totalitarian cultures turn their leaders into demi-gods?
02:51 PM on 06/29/2013
Religions are enemies of humanity that accomplished, but they don´t do it any more, some beneficial role in our past.

Let us evolve, let dismantle all myths.
02:48 PM on 06/29/2013
Religions are direct or indirect enemies of social justice and personal evolution.
02:47 PM on 06/29/2013
Some of us, atheists, know that if people believe in some religion, then people become not enough interested in the iniquities on Earth.

Therefore, in order to humanity to politically improve, we need the dismantling of all the religious myths.

That´s why some atheist are very interested in destroying the myths.

We want more FREEDOM, more equity, more democracy, better living for ordinary persons.
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SHOCKEDAGAIN
Get over it. It's the Shock Doctrine (book)
08:05 PM on 06/29/2013
All disciplines seen dogmatically are not healthy. Even science itself. My background is science too, and a liberal, agnostic better describes me.

Mythology has also a very healthy place in our individuating process. It's an expression like any other.

The problem arises when books like the bible are taken literally and also with a blinding furor and again dogmatism.

Otherwise, ...spirituality (as opposed to Religion or "organized religion") has an expansive quality for the mind -- not restrictive.

See I use the word spirituality and not religion.

I agree organized religion has been the cause of much suffering and suppression all throughout history.
10:38 PM on 06/29/2013
You're background is "science?" Hahahhahahahah!!!