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Lagomorphea
Everything you know is wrong
10:50 PM on 07/13/2013
Well-reasoned, Mr Nader. Thank you.
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William Occam
Do not assume
10:41 PM on 07/13/2013
It's easy. Don't like Walmart. Dont shop there and don't work there
El Justiciero
Everyone deserves a living wage!
08:40 AM on 07/14/2013
better yet, oppose them setting up shop in your community.
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William Occam
Do not assume
11:01 AM on 07/14/2013
Exactly. Why should people in a poverty stricken neighborhood with unemployment over 23% get jobs? I am sure plenty of anti Walmart protesters are gong to dig deep and invest their own capital in these run down neighborhoods and create businesses that reflect their ideals .
09:50 PM on 07/13/2013
When our local Walmart opened 15 years ago, they approached the County Commissioners and asked to use the local 4-H camp dining hall to accept applications for employment. They told the Commissioners that if they allowed that, Walmart would build a new dining hall at the 4-H camp an it would cost the County nothing. The County Commissioners refused. The County still built a new dining hall at the 4-H camp, but they got a grant from the Federal Government.
10:14 PM on 07/13/2013
So, instead of saving money, the bureaucrats spent money they didn't have to.

Typical.
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12:56 AM on 07/14/2013
No, they didn't sell out to the Chinese military.

If that bothers you, move to China.
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Sullify64
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
07:42 AM on 07/14/2013
If the County Commissioners were REALLY smart, they never would have allowed Walmart into the county in the first place.

The cost of a dining hall is peanuts compared to the damage that Walmart does to a local community.
09:31 PM on 07/13/2013
Nader doesn't accept the reality; though he is opposed to it (as I am) that we've arrived at the stage of the American experience where corporations can push us around and if we don't like it, the only choice is to go pound salt. Excuse me? Where and when did that happen ... while we were asleep at the switch? Our economic system wasn't always the way it was ... as if however it is the day we were born is the way it MUST have been God-ordained from the beginning of time.

Public land, resources beneath that, minerals, trees, clean air, all the rest have been and need to be restored as public assets, not the property to do with as they wish of someone else. The greater public interest is not the corporations, that's for sure.

So I ask: Where is it written that because Walmart owns the buildings and hires employees, they can be so tight-fisted with wages and benefits that employees have to depend upon public support in food stamps or welfare to make ends meet? Let's pay living wages to Americans (and everyone else) and stop importing that cheap toxic junk from China's military oligarchy.
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William Occam
Do not assume
10:31 PM on 07/13/2013
Where is it written they can't?
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Phil Penner
Nature is God, only fools destroy it.
11:56 AM on 07/14/2013
Actually, it's written in the fabric of life. Do you have respect for God? Perhaps you should listen to the God that created life and our ecosystem. Failure to do so is the end of human life on Earth.
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Rio Blanco
02:54 AM on 07/14/2013
Most American corporations have gotten smart. Rather than bow to the wishes of the God like communist union activist and socialistic left they simply started doing business elsewhere in the world! Very simple solution as other countries who have no real economy want to work and provide for their families doing what Americans won't do without getting paid like Rockfeller!
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Sullify64
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
07:47 AM on 07/14/2013
I'm not sure in what dimension any Rockefeller earned $12.50 an hour, but it sure isn't this one.

That aside, your central argument doesn't work. Walmart is NOT "doing business elsewhere in the world." They're doing business here, which is the point of the article. If they want to stop doing business in America, I wish them farewell. Let them go and earn their profits in those countries that "have no real economy" if they are able. But of course we both know that Walmart is NOT able to earn such profits in those countries, which, again, is the point.
11:20 AM on 07/14/2013
Folks ask a reasonable question: "Wouldn't you go where costs of producing something were lower?" Sure ... but that's not the entire story. Too many corporations; American and foreign, have gotten more and more greedy. There's numerous examples of buying [read: "bribing"] the labor and environmental standards best suited to helping them maximize profits (at all costs to someone else) at the end of each quarter.

CEO compensation, it was written recently, rose some 274% since 1980 while wages/benefits have remained stagnant. It once was a rising tide lifted all boats, but that's not the way things have gone the past 30+ years. I'd like to know what a modern executive does to justify that degree of separation between their compensation package (more than owning a large percentage of the stocks) than those doing the work to produce, sell, maintain the goods and services of the corporation. Abject failures get a softer landing than an egg dropped 2 inches from a big pillow.

Here's the solution: international standards of wages/working conditions and the costs suddenly equalize across the board. That isn't socialism, but it may be closer to the Sermon-on-the-Mount and modern notions of fundamental fairness.
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Java1959
Obama 2012
09:30 PM on 07/13/2013
Looks like the Walmart spin machine is hard at work trying to change public opinion in the comments section today.
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Java1959
Obama 2012
09:27 PM on 07/13/2013
Looks like the Walmart spin machine is hard at work posting away.
09:05 PM on 07/13/2013
"A study from UC Berkeley's Center for Labor Research and Education has shown that raising a Walmart wage floor to $12 per hour would add -- if all of the wage increase was absorbed by price increases -- just $0.46 per trip for the average Walmart customer."
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From what wage though?

46 cents? Out of how many customers?

How many of those customers will then seek wage increases from their employer?

Who will then increase the cost of their goods and services.

And, then you will have Walmart employees earning the same relative wage they were getting before the wage increase.

Having the government meddle in what wages companies pay doesn't help the employees. It just makes everything cost more.
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
10:49 PM on 07/13/2013
According to you then, we might as well reinstate slavery. Workers have no control over the value of their labor. Why work of you can't support yourself by your labor?
12:44 AM on 07/14/2013
Sounds good.  Thanks.
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
12:04 AM on 07/14/2013
Yeah, government "meddling" has never helped anybody with anything. We should never have come up with a concept of government because it interferes with the divine rights of commerce; which, by the way, creates rational "invisible hands" that guide societies into Shangri Las of true liberty.

I just love that fairy tale. I never get tired of hearing it.
SapientiaAudit
Tempus Dicit, Sapientia Audit.
07:50 AM on 07/14/2013
F&F!
08:45 PM on 07/13/2013
Shame on you, Mr. Nader, for believing it is governments" role to "fix" the marketplace. But I do have a solution for you believing that Walmart being in business costs the government money. Why not just outlaw Walmart and terminate all of its" employees? Wouldn't that save the government billions and billions in benefits payments? Also, you are very preoccupied with how much business leaders/owners earn. But I never hear you complain about government bureaucrats and union leaders and rip off the workers/ taxpayers.
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
12:08 AM on 07/14/2013
Shame on you, too. For making the human experience one of absolute, black/white thinking. I'll side with Mr. Nader in this argument; Walmart is a taker more than a giver.
01:34 AM on 07/14/2013
Yours is a bizarre argument bama. How can you not understand that labor laws exist
for the protection of the workers? Would you prefer the US to be more like say India
where sweat shops work their people for $1/day in dangerous buildings? How about we
abolish all labor laws so the "marketplace" can have absolute power for corporations?
Yeah - that sounds great... No breaks (or lunch for that matter), $1/hr workers on 16-hour shifts.
That'd really help business & profits wouldn't it???
The fact of the matter is exactly as Nader states - Walmart is just one of the greedy
corporations who put profit first at the expense of its workers. He didn't even mention
that for decades, 90+% of these employees have been held as temp/part-time as a way
to get around labor laws for full time employees to receive benefits.
You know not of which you speak, kid.
07:57 PM on 07/13/2013
Who says you have to work at Walmart anyhow? Nothing is given to you just for showing up. I'm not ever going to be a fan of Walmart,Cheap goods made cheaply in Asia is all I see there. I've also seen all the little shops put out of business where they spring up and will not shop there out of principle. When it comes to work and workers if you can educate yourself or get a little ambition, go to school or look for opportunity's that arise you can find a better job and a better life.Its not an impossible equation...but you have to work at it for it to ever happen.

We should remember that good fortune often happens when opportunity meets with preparation.”
― Thomas A. Edison
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Phil Penner
Nature is God, only fools destroy it.
12:10 PM on 07/14/2013
Before you quote Edison, please realize that he was nothing more that a greedy CEO who exploited everyone around him, particularly Tesla. Do you believe that destroying our ecosystem is an opportunity? That is what our consumerism is doing to the Earth and humanity. WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR WAYS QUICKLY OR BECOME EXTINCT. If you don't believe it then investigate it.
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07:48 PM on 07/13/2013
""in the U.S., Walmart's full-time, average hourly wage is $12.67 per hour." Given these facts, shouldn't Walmart be willing to pay workers in D.C. $12.50 an hour minus benefits, which is how the bill is written?
-- Walmart's top executives each make thousands of dollars an hour. Walmart CEO Mike Duke makes $11,000 an hour plus great benefits and perks."

At 12.50/Hr and with management making in excess of $1 000/hour the average Wal Mart wage will be raised to what? 12.75 from 12.67. Oh, the horror.
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mactheknight
Honor is not found in service to lies and greed.
07:37 PM on 07/13/2013
I really don't understand how a gentleman, such as yourself Mr Nader, fails to see the simple fact that shame requires all people to see honor in all other people. Without that very simple sensibility a person cannot be guilty of shame because they do not have it in them. And that is with regards as to how they treat other people.
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smald4lib
08:01 PM on 07/13/2013
So why did Ford give a raise to his employees? He wasn't shamed into it. He just knew better and he understood that capitalism runs on demand, not supply. Do you have no shame Sir?
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ydrittmann
Vitter patronizes women.
08:28 PM on 07/13/2013
Non sequitur.
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William Occam
Do not assume
10:32 PM on 07/13/2013
Actually he gave raises to reduce employee tirnover
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An Independent Woman
Honni soit qui mal y pense
07:01 PM on 07/13/2013
"The Greatest Country in the World" should have no poor working citizens. Period.
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mactheknight
Honor is not found in service to lies and greed.
07:37 PM on 07/13/2013
Well, Scotland does also.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
08:37 PM on 07/13/2013
There will always be poor working citizens because as wealth goes up so does the cost of living.
charles77
Just the Facts Please
06:59 PM on 07/13/2013
Walmart has done more to improve the lives of low income people than ALL government programs combined. If liberals actually cared about low income people, they would love walmart. While rich liberals may not shop there, low income people do.
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mad lib
07:58 PM on 07/13/2013
Gotta love the American education system.
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The Great Intellectual
06:52 PM on 07/13/2013
I love the MAY COST TAXPAYERS line because they don't have a clue just like making up BS. Not to mention I like the $800,000 swing.

Funny how his article doesn't mention Walmart pays the most taxes in the USA. Has an effective tax rate of 33.6%. A single Walmart Supercenter pays far more than $900,000-$1.7 million a year in taxes from my research the average Walmart store pays about $2,000,000 in taxes an that isn't the Supercenter.
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mad lib
08:00 PM on 07/13/2013
Do some"big picture" research.
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smald4lib
08:11 PM on 07/13/2013
Isn't your labor a tax write off? So why not give your employee a raise and write it off. Share holder value is the worst thing that has happened in the last 30 years. The board members in these corporations now have to much power in our government and there is no countervailing force, and when that happens, bad things happen, just like they did in the robber Barron age.

Capitalism has many contradictions and one of them is workers and customers. They have been lowering wages the last 30 years and now are complaining about growth/demand. Monopolies drive down demand and contract growth in markets. It's just as simple as that, and that's why anti trust laws were put in place, and now are ignored for reasons and people like you who have never studied capitalism and its effects; you just accept what you are told by the people enjoying the monopoly.
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The Great Intellectual
06:42 PM on 07/13/2013
The Washington D.C. City Council just denied 1,800 jobs to the people of D.C. who are in desperate need of jobs. Washington D.C. has the largest income gap in the USA and they do this by keeping people down Walmart does have many minimum wage jobs but they also have many jobs that pay over $10 an hour at every store. The stocker make over $10 an hour, the section managers make about $14 an hour, and the store managers make $65,000 plus. Walmart also does provide advancement for their employees but obviously being a large corporation that advancement will require a college education. What Walmart says is not lies what is lies is how the Democrat Party represents Walmart. People in 1,800 people who are in need of work in D.C. will not get this jobs because their Government thinks they are to good for those jobs. I guess they didn't ask their constituents how they felt.

Also I noticed how they always mention the cost of a Walmart on the local economy but never mention the amount of revenue that a Walmart gives to the local economy or tax revenue it gives to the local Government. Walmart paid a effective tax rate of 33.2% in 2011 and Obama's/Liberal/Progressive's green energy buddies GE paid 3.6%.
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smald4lib
08:16 PM on 07/13/2013
On average when a Walmart monopoly comes to town 200 businesses are shut down, and they pay local taxes, as well as state taxes. Those people actually care about their communities, and the heads of Walmart could really give a dam, as long as their share holders get a dividend, and they get their corporate pay checks. Walmart is a monopoly that controls it's suppliers, and doesn't let anyone in unless they meet their price, which drives down the suppliers incomes and lively hood. It's a race to the bottom that only the government could end by breaking them up and letting the markets work.
08:48 PM on 07/13/2013
But, what you just described IS the market working. Please provide proof that Walmart shuts down 200 Businesses per town.
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The Great Intellectual
10:26 PM on 07/13/2013
Got any evidence to back that up?
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
11:10 PM on 07/13/2013
They also made room for twice that number of small businessmen to set up shop and pay their staff living wages. Walmart invariably drives hundreds of local enterprises out of business., viable thriving small business owners that hire local people at a living wage. Walmart moves in and smothers them as effectively as if I held a pillow over your face.
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The Great Intellectual
02:32 AM on 07/14/2013
I live in South Florida where we have dozens of Walmarts and thousands of businesses. Mom and Pops to major distribution centers.

I don't see small business flocking to D.C. they weren't before the Walmarts and they aren't going to be now either.