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Steamboater 09:19 PM on 07/20/2013
If you've got nothing to hide, why complain about the government snooping on you?   "The argument is not of recent vintage. One of the characters in Henry James's 1888 novel, The Reverberator, muses: "If these people had done bad things they ought to be ashamed of themselves and he couldn't pity them, and if they hadn't done them there was no need of making such a rumpus about other people knowing."  Read More...
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Alexey Braguine
Author of Kingmaker, a novel
12:38 PM on 07/21/2013
You shuttupa yer mouth, we obnly listen to yer ´hone sex
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Mahi Joe
Think critically...not blindly conform
12:30 PM on 07/21/2013
Probably 95% of all the calls the NSA listens to are from telemarketers.
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BrianThatIsCalledBrian
"This halibut is good enough for Jehovah"
12:34 PM on 07/21/2013
LOL!
Especially if they're listening to our landline.
It's usually us telling the Democrats asking for $ that they're not getting another dime out of us since they've abandoned all progressive principles and are essentially nothing more than GOP-Lite.
01:18 PM on 07/21/2013
so make sure to bash the GOP-Lite, so that the victor will be GOP heavy.
12:26 PM on 07/21/2013
It's not a matter of whether any surveillance of interactions should occur. It's to what extent is it occurring on US citizens and allies? Anyone who believes that just some of their "metadata" is captured and that none of the content of their conversations or emails is examined, or that it's only examined if you're having conversations and emailing with people in foreign locations, is naive or willfully blind.

Authorized programs or not, who is the oversight group outside of NSA actually checking to see if the extent of surveillance is what they say it is?
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BrianThatIsCalledBrian
"This halibut is good enough for Jehovah"
12:31 PM on 07/21/2013
Exactly!
Who watches the Watchers?
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Rob Huggins
12:40 PM on 07/21/2013
We've been told the answer to that. The watchers watch themselves, and they all agree to a very restricting honor policy. And conveniently for the watchers, they've never seen themselves do anything wrong, ever.
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Kukes3527
Has anyone seen my winning lottery ticket?
12:43 PM on 07/21/2013
the Watcher Watchers?
01:26 PM on 07/21/2013
anybody ever figure out why NSA would care about the inane small talk of millions of John Q Public conversations?

or is it unnecessary personal guilt over the public's well documented pornsitehabits that's fueling the controversy.
12:24 PM on 07/21/2013
Anyone else aware of the roles taverns and Inn played in our Revolution?.In short they acted as interconnected hubs of information exchange and political rallying points..They where catalysts to political change that outpaced the conventional power structure ability to control and contain. Electronic communications pose a similar threat today. Despite being trapped in change and thinking yesterdays tech advances as old news the truth is that even Emails effect our culture is still in it's infancy. Their is a concerted effort at work right now to install monitoring and control over these forms of communication at the roots so that the current power structure is not caught off guard as Imperial Britain was 250 years ago .
01:27 PM on 07/21/2013
internet is the modern tavern and Inns.
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BrianThatIsCalledBrian
"This halibut is good enough for Jehovah"
12:15 PM on 07/21/2013
I'll try this again.

It's reassuring to know we're ALL being snooped on while the Wall Street malefactors and polluters get off scot-free.

Little wonder they're trying to put the focal point on Ed Snowden.
12:10 PM on 07/21/2013
A truly global social network is online with everyone in no one out, all guilty never proven not.

What a wonderful world this is.
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451 degrees or more
BECAUSE IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
12:06 PM on 07/21/2013
A couple weeks ago, the Pentagon's NSA has been confirmed by NSA whistleblower Russ Tice to have already targeted:

- federal judges
- intel oversight committee members and their staff in DC and in their home states
- out of line generals
- NGOs
- executive branch members
etc.

Pentagon's NSA is rogue.
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fourtruth
9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
12:59 PM on 07/21/2013
Obama was a target under Bush back when they did NOT require ANY warrants.
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451 degrees or more
BECAUSE IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
02:23 PM on 07/21/2013
NSA has demonstrated its corruption.
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BrianThatIsCalledBrian
"This halibut is good enough for Jehovah"
12:05 PM on 07/21/2013
First of all let me say hello to the folks at NSA reading this.

Isn't it reassuring our government is snooping on US in the name of security while they let the Wall Street malefactors and polluters get off scott-free.
Little wonder they're putting all the focus on Ed Snowden.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
11:59 AM on 07/21/2013
yes and we all know what that means don't we ?

blatantly committing crime,s against all Americans every where ??

using our collective tax funds for this crap to crush American decent is what it is
Period

and remember this all ??
if your five people away from knowing some one famous then you five people away from knowing a terrorist also
nsa is mapping who ? you know who ?they know and who? they know

ahhh ha !!!! we got you suckers now we the nsa have connected you to a bad guy !!
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451 degrees or more
BECAUSE IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
11:55 AM on 07/21/2013
The Pentagon's NSA grows ur file everyday and can take you away because of the blackmaiIed lawbreakers' NDAA.
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nogods
11:47 AM on 07/21/2013
Bet they don't approve it again.
11:47 AM on 07/21/2013
National Intelligence director James Clapper, along with the president, tells us that telephone conversations and written communication are not listened to, or read. Only phone calls going to or coming from other phone numbers are logged. And then, and only then, if the NSA wants to listen to conversations a search warrant from a judge must be obtained. But here's where logic goes out the window. Without listening to conversations, how does the NSA get "probable cause" a crime or terrorist action is in process. What type of crime does the NSA think is being committed that would justify a search warrant? Drug smuggling? Terrorism? Bank fraud? A search warrant has to spell out what type of information law enforcement is looking for. In order the get "probable cause" the conversations have to be listened to before the search warrant has be issued.
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fourtruth
9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
01:07 PM on 07/21/2013
"Without listening to conversations, how does the NSA get "probable cause" a crime or terrorist action is in process"

OMG. Because they have other sources of intel, like "undercover" agents all over the world and all over every neighborhood and the phone numbers and e-mail account pings of THOSE people they have already investigated "with warrants" - are the ones the computer system ties together ALL calls and ALL e-mails to and from. They get "intel" from local police under the same process when Local Police accidentally find suspicions and get warrants and pass that information on to Feds, etc., etc., etc.

If you think you NEVER communicate ever with people that are "shady" or down right "crooks" or even "terrorists" or "survivalists", unknown to you, but identified by "some" law agency, you have blinders on your life.
11:39 AM on 07/21/2013
Never in the history of the United States has a population been more connected and yet has very little to say. Listen in NSA. "I'm at the mall." "I am in the bathroom." "Where RU?"
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fourtruth
9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
01:10 PM on 07/21/2013
And apparently these "connected" millions think there are MILLONS of other people are getting their jollies listening to that?!?!?!?!

And does any one even wonder who and where are all these Millions upon Millions of people who are doing all this reading and listening?
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sskepticall
01:19 PM on 07/21/2013
They are only connected to unknowns and to the ether.

That's is akin to talking to yourself.

Just like I'm doing for all I know.
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451 degrees or more
BECAUSE IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
11:35 AM on 07/21/2013
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.
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fourtruth
9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
01:11 PM on 07/21/2013
Orwell, 1984

Do you plagerize a lot?
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Bethany Quartz
Liberty and Justice for All Humanity
11:33 AM on 07/21/2013
Oh it's okay, everyone, go back to your work, the secret courts have said it's fine for the secret police to spy on us anytime they want. Nothing to see here in East Germany. I mean in the good old USA. I repeat, return to your cubicles, this story is over.