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01:00 PM on 07/23/2013
And that doesn't count the many men serving hard time in prison, often for victimless drug crimes that carry stiff mandatory sentences.

"victimless" ain't that a spin.
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Unlicensed Dremel
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01:47 PM on 07/23/2013
No, it's not. Doing drugs is indeed victimless.
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itshotashell
Too much of a good thing can be wonderful!
01:56 PM on 07/23/2013
I work with an executive that smokes weed daily. If he were to get caught with marijuana, what do you think would happen to him? He does it because he knows that no one is looking his way. He drives his Panamera, lives in a gated community, has a master's degree and makes over $300k annually. He and I have become friends and I have been to lunch with him and I have seen him light up one in the parking garage in his car. If he were to be arrested, would he get 20 years? Nope. He'd hire a great attorney, he might pay a fine and be back to work. He would never be arrested though because he wouldn't get pulled over for any reason and they'd never know about his law breaking habit. Were you aware that the majority of black males in prison are there for doing this very same thing? Thus, "victimless crimes".
02:11 PM on 07/23/2013
Black America has a huge self-caused image problem which only it can fix through moral and social renewal.
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Sean Cash
02:33 PM on 07/23/2013
No person is serving hard time for "smokin a joint"
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ASG6679
every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
12:51 PM on 07/23/2013
AS long as the Left continues to treat Black People as perpetual victims, and not equals, nothing will ever change. http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/
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drumz
The less you know the more you believe.
12:57 PM on 07/23/2013
As long as the right keeps their heads buried in the sand they will be considered unintelligent, just ask Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum!
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Sean Cash
02:35 PM on 07/23/2013
The GOP doesnt run the inner cities .. the left has for 50+ years...
And somehow its the GOPs faults.. ??

Just as they are now trying to blame the GOP for Detroit's failure ... amazing..
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01:00 PM on 07/23/2013
It's not just the left its the right as well, more so. Blacks should not be with neither party. This film was made by freedom works and everything that come out if their mouths regarding is slavery. The Koch brothers at it again.
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ASG6679
every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
08:40 AM on 07/24/2013
The film was not made by freedom works. CL Bryant gained notoriety after independently financing and making this documentary and then CL Bryant was asked to join Freedom Works.
12:50 PM on 07/23/2013
Too bad Obama isn't elevating their effort.
02:12 PM on 07/23/2013
He's the Great Depressor.
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gyp46
"does truth matter??"
12:40 PM on 07/23/2013
My first real experience with 'hate and bigotry was in a little town called Grenada, Mississippi in early 1965. I was in the Navy, stationed in Memphis, Tenn, going to school. Met a girl from Grenada and would take the train down to see her on weekends. One late night, I went to the station to catch the last train to Memphis and walked in to purchase the ticket and the 'white' lady in the booth said she couldn't sell me one! I was in uniform and usually that was a good thing in the south in those days, but in this case it didn't help. Being from California and being only 18 I had never run into anything like the south of those days. I asked her why?? Her answer: I was on the 'black side' of the ticket booth!! she insisted I go back out the door, walk around the building, come in the 'white door' then she would sell me a ticket!! Race relations might be 'more subtle' today and many may think we all, blacks, whites, browns etc., all grow up with the same advantages in America, but we do not. Opportunities and 'doors' open for 'white youth' much easier than 'black youth' and that is the disgrace of America today.
01:52 PM on 07/23/2013
Thank you for your story and for your service to this nation.
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gyp46
"does truth matter??"
06:53 PM on 07/23/2013
Hey, my pleasure, thank you.
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telebob59
Unrepentant, unreconstructed Dharma Bum
02:11 PM on 07/23/2013
For being not only a truth seeker, but one who also recognizes and respects truth when they encounter it, #661.
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gyp46
"does truth matter??"
06:52 PM on 07/23/2013
thanks.
12:35 PM on 07/23/2013
Howard, I think you are the cat's pajamas. You are always extremely insightful and I constantly learn from your articles and television appearances.
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hiker11
Brain needs exercise too
12:32 PM on 07/23/2013
The three main root causes are poverty, poverty, and poverty. The Civil Rights Movement gained Blacks legal equality, but equality in economic opportunities take much longer and much more than an Act of Congress to create.
01:54 PM on 07/23/2013
I do believe you hit one of the nails of this issue squarely on the head.
02:26 PM on 07/23/2013
The root cause of poverty in this country is bad values and the wrong belief system. Without the work ethic that made this country great you'll just waste your life away bitterly b*tching and complaining till your dying day.
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hiker11
Brain needs exercise too
02:59 PM on 07/23/2013
Value, belief system, and drive are of course important. But they alone are not sufficient to eliminate poverty. It is a nasty, complicated problem often exacerbated by an all too human selfishness and the tendency to blame the unfortunate.
I am a well off immigrant. But my work ethic, belief, and drive would not get me far in the old country. And I couldn't be what I am now without the assistance, the grants, the gov backed loans I receive. I have long repaid those debts and now pay far more in taxes than the median income. So, the USA invested in me and now we both benefit. It saddens me to see such opportunities are now much more limited by phony ideology.
12:12 PM on 07/23/2013
Dear Friends,

MLK dream was not for black people, it was for all people. Until we all understand this, none of will have any peace.

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

While Mr King was a great man, and his struggles were focused on the great injustice done to black people, the solution was equality based on content of their character.
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Uhgg
Just another Neanderthal
12:05 PM on 07/23/2013
Until we stop identifying ourselves by race before American then we will always have a problem
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hrc04
put on your pants and go home.
12:27 PM on 07/23/2013
No, until we stop regarding certain races as less American, we'll always have a problem.
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JM Brodie
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12:37 PM on 07/23/2013
Um, not really. We had these problem when we called ourselves just Americans, which ticked off a bunch of folks who would deny us that status. Whatever you call yourself, you are an American, with all of the rights and responsibilities that go with it.

The beauty of America is that you get to define yourself...
12:46 PM on 07/23/2013
If you want to define yourself a certain way, be prepared for the stereotypes that come with that choice.
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Ametewee
witty blurb...
11:57 AM on 07/23/2013
"And that doesn't count the many men serving hard time in prison, often for victimless drug crimes that carry stiff mandatory sentences."
Really? That statement sounds like a bit of a reach. People who spend hard time for drug crimes are rarely without victims. In any situation where you are trying to better the lives of a group of people, you have to be honest when pointing fingers at those on the outside holding you back & just as honest about the faults of those on the inside who.

I believe more change would come if people followed the example of Juanita Jackson Mitchell. It's so inspiring that instead of just standing on the street complaining with the kids who were sharing the small splash pool, she encouraged them to peacefully get up and go to the bigger pool. They deserved to be there...all they had to do was make the effort. Sure, it took them 7 days (put into perspective, some of the big things that we as Americans need to change may take years) but it was effective and change did come through persistence, strong convictions and the knowledge that they deserved to be in that pool just as much as the other children. It didnt hurt anyone. No one stood around feeling sorry for themselves. And each child that took part was able to be proud of the fact that they were instrumental in changing something small that stood for something so much bigger.
12:11 PM on 07/23/2013
Millions - MILLIONS of black people in this country have made that effort - and gotten very little in return. It is an oversimplification in the extreme to continually harp on the need for "individual effort".
Please stop assuming that black poverty and marginalization is the result of people "feeling sorry for themselves." It isn't. Big problems and social ills require big efforts to change in historical terms. Blacks suffered 300 years of legal oppression - until 1965. How 'bout a little bit of effort to undo some of that?
01:00 PM on 07/23/2013
The millions might want to consider going back to Africa. They will be in charge there. It's a choice.
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EqualTime
Stuck in the middle with you.
01:13 PM on 07/23/2013
1. Please define "little bit of effort" and reconcile that to the effort, cost and results of affirmative action programs in set-asides and education intended to begin to correct the effects of 300 years of legal oppression.

2. I welcomed Feinberg's post, putting the Zimmerman/Martin case into a larger context, instead of exploiting it as representative of our current condition. I look forward to the series, especially its recommendations on solutions.
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11:56 AM on 07/23/2013
It appears that HP is giving some necessary and important coverage to the State of Black America. But I must note that the Latino and Asian communities are often given little notice. It seems the White-Black paradigm has locked white liberals into thinking this country is in Black and White and not living color. I don't besmirch the coverage of the African Americans community it has been earned in blood and through much struggle against white supremacy. But by excluding Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, and other people of color you miscast the reality of the American racial/ethnic realities. In so doing you also invisibilize the Latino community. I often critique the disease you white liberals have that I refer to as "and other minorities" syndrome. Make reference to these communities only in passing. It is a reflection of a time when Latinos and Asians were and in some respects continue to be regarded as junior partners in the struggle for racial justice. Commentator like Fineman can continue to ignore Latinos in your analysis, but we are not going anyplace. Univision the Spanish language station beat out all cable news programs in the ratings and guess who is watching these television sets. Fineman, how long, not long because a lie cannot live forever.
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Ametewee
witty blurb...
12:03 PM on 07/23/2013
I agree with you completely. And also commend you on the use of the word besmirch. That was awesome. ;]
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Juan Sotomayor
02:38 PM on 07/23/2013
I meant begrudge
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JM Brodie
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12:39 PM on 07/23/2013
I could not agree more. Well said, my friend.
11:45 AM on 07/23/2013
this all correlates directly to the collapse of the family. If kids do not have a mother and a father in their lives then they won't be successful. don't do drugs and you won't go to jail it is pretty simple. it is time for the grievance industry to end.
11:53 AM on 07/23/2013
I am not black so I cannot confirm this, but I suspect if you don't do drugs, and you have a loving mother and father, you can still be stopped, arrested and even jailed for driving while black, walking while black, or living in certain parts of the country while black.
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NVEd
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12:01 PM on 07/23/2013
Obviously one can also be killed for walking while black.,
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Nikkinow
I'll tread on u if u stand in my way....
12:13 PM on 07/23/2013
I am black and you are absolutely correct! I have 2 masters degrees, and 2 sons one of whom is a graduate student paying his way through school and the other a 14 yo straight A college-prep student........doesn't matter, in the eyes of too many the only see the black
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NVEd
I love mountains.
11:59 AM on 07/23/2013
What exactly is "collapse of the family"? I was raised by my mother and grandmother, my father, a military officer, was a very occasional influence, since my mother didn't have to hold down three minimum wage jobs to make ends meet she came home after work instead of going to another job. Just maybe the unequal distribution of wealth in the U.S. has something to do with social problems in many communities.
12:53 PM on 07/23/2013
Collapse of the family is 72.5% of black babies born to single mothers versus 29.1% of white babies. Fix that and we won't need to have these conversations any longer.
11:35 AM on 07/23/2013
At the very heart of the race issue in America, is the *class* issue.
If everyone in America were suddenly white - the degree of poverty that plagues us - and *everyone's* relationship to it - would be instantly clear to many who today see it as only a "race issue".
If we seriously attack poverty - THAT is when we will seriously - and finally - address the lingering issue of race in America.
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Nikkinow
I'll tread on u if u stand in my way....
11:57 AM on 07/23/2013
I agree with you 65% that clearing up the poverty problem would eliminate many of the problems that plague African Americans.

The other 35% however will exist until people are able to see our sons and not assume criminals....until I (a 54 yo black woman) can walk by a car and not have someone lock themselves in their car or assume I'm on welfare).....until the time my 14 year old son can play with his white friends in our integrated suburban community and not have a parent call him the N word......
12:04 PM on 07/23/2013
No argument from me on that front. Amen.
12:59 PM on 07/23/2013
Clearing up poverty is only accomplished by clearing up the out of wedlock birth rate of 72.5% for black babies.

As to the other 35%, the fact remains that young black males commit a HUGE numbers of crimes as a percentage of their population. Over half of all robberies and nearly half of all homicides.

So if you want us to stop assuming bad things, please ask them to stop doing bad things.
12:56 PM on 07/23/2013
How to attack poverty? By taking the money I earn and giving it to another?

Or we could look at the number 1 predictor of poverty and fix that, right? And that predictor is babies born to single parents. 72.5% for black, 29.1% for whites.

If you seriously attack out of wedlock births in the black community, we will seriously - and finally - address the lingering issue of poverty in that community. The rest will fix itself.
01:49 PM on 07/23/2013
You are pointing at a symptom - not a cure. In fact, that problem is a relatively new one - dating from the mid-60's. Before that, black single mothers were under 25% - roughly the national average. What was causing black poverty then?
I'm sure your answer will be some other person failing you deem intrinsic to black people.
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alexandra23
05:07 PM on 07/23/2013
Great, fisherdude. Now, explain the abject poverty in Appalachia, predominantly white rural areas of mostly Southern states. We'll be waiting.....
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11:27 AM on 07/23/2013
People advance in our society primarily on education. If they have a low level of education it is almost impossible to move out of poverty. The main exceptions to this rule are very gifted athletes and entertainers. However, too many in our society do not value education. Instead, they want to gamble everything on being the exception to the rule and making it based on athletics or entertainment. When that fails, they have nothing to fall back on. People need to realize that you are most likely not getting ahead by dropping out of high school or barely graduating. Companies are not going to hire someone like that if they can hire someone who did better in school..
11:15 AM on 07/23/2013
WHEN WILL YOU EVER STOP LABELING PEOPLE BY RACE?????????????????
11:38 AM on 07/23/2013
When Yellowstone blows, Jesus cracks that sky or our real enemies succeed in dropping that nuclear bomb on this great country, that's when the color of one's skin will not matter cause we won't have any! Peaceeeeeeeeeee.
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hellayella
01:26 PM on 07/23/2013
um, when collective society stops overwhelmingly discriminating against people who are not white.
01:52 PM on 07/23/2013
You mean the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
Helloooooooo???????? Anybody home??????????
02:37 PM on 07/23/2013
Yeah. If it weren't for all this "overwhelming [racial] discrimination" Barack Obama wouldn't have lost to Hillary Clinton in the 2008 race and John McCain wouldn't be president today. LOL!
11:15 AM on 07/23/2013
I'm all for equality and social justice for EVERYONE, but the media hyped the entire Martin-Zimmerman case in the most reprehensible way. The media manipulated the sensitivities of the black community and created a firestorm of anger and resentment -- along with a firestorm of tv ratings. The media hyped up the prosecutions unfounded and unsupported assertions, and never focused on the defense assertions though they were actually backed up by evidence and eye witnesses! The jury, six educated, intelligent women, who clearly worked very hard to be fair, heard ALL the evidence and found Zimmerman not guilty. Yet, the media continues to do everything it can to keep these ratings as high as possible without any concern for the people involved or for our nation. There is not a single shred of evidence that Zimmerman acted with any kind of malice or ill-will. And no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman was a racist. Zimmerman even volunteered his time with an organization that helped troubled black youth. The real guilty party in this case is our highly irresponsible media. If our media were one individual person, that person would be arrested and prosecuted for gross slander, inciting a riot, and inciting civil unrest. And when that person (the media) died, they would go to hell for their complete callousness, lack of integrity and morality, and lack of any decency whatsoever. So, stay tuned, and let's see what the media will decide you should be angry and outraged about next week.
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01:11 PM on 07/23/2013
i agree with you 100%
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alexandra23
05:14 PM on 07/23/2013
The outrage to many, if not most, Americans was due to the fact,that an armed adult followed and ultimately killed an unarmed teenager. That, in and of itself, is egregious.

The racial component entered into the equation because the historically racist Sanford police force and law enforcement hierarchy, initially chose to try to sweep this homicide under a rug. Initially, that group, chose not to conduct a full investigation of the homicide of a black American, as they have done for countless years. THAT is the cause of the outrage based on race, not the respective races of the perpetrator and the victim. Stop getting it twisted.
11:21 PM on 07/23/2013
You're making an emotionally charged argument about the police, history, etc., which have nothing to do with the FACTS and the EVIDENCE of this case. Two different witnesses place Trayvon sitting on top of Zimmerman and beating him about the face, and slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Zimmerman's very real physical injuries support that testimony and evidence. A jury heard ALL the evidence and found him not guilty. You, and many others, have allowed a reckless media to whip you into an emotional frenzy. WE SHOULD ALL BE OUTRAGED BY SOCIAL INJUSTICE, AND WE SHOULD ALL STAND UP TO IT WHEN IT OCCURS. But we should use reason and evidence to determine what is truly social injustice and not an angry, emotional imagination spurred on by a media that has no regard for the truth and only cares about their ratings. The evidence tells us, and a jury agrees, that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Even if Zimmerman started it (and we don't know if he did or not), Trayvon went way to far. After putting Zimmerman on the ground, Trayvon could have walked away. But he didn't. Trayvon made a choice to pounce on Zimmerman and viciously beat him and pound his head into the pavement. That was Trayvon's choice. And HIS choice got him killed.