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Helzapoppin
01:58 AM on 08/04/2013
Want to immediately improve education? Get rid of all the non-education trained administrators who do nothing but hamper education.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
01:57 AM on 08/04/2013
Funding. The solution to our broken educational system.
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marshhen
Northern by birth, southern by choice
06:25 AM on 08/04/2013
Ever since the creation of the department of education, the US education system has been going down hill. Money isn't the answer but local parent control is.
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gmikejake
resist evil
07:24 AM on 08/04/2013
FYI, association, even correlation, does not prove causation.
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somepeoplecallmethestig
Coffee is for closers.
09:53 AM on 08/04/2013
True, the highest cost per student is the DC school system. Which is why the DC school system is the best one in the USA.
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David Hammerbeck
01:22 AM on 08/04/2013
Yet another attempt to justify privatizing education so that public education will become a profit-driven enterprise, rather than one focused on the students. Again and again social conservatives bandy around this idea that charter schools are more effective that public schools - they're not. What they can do that public school cannot is kick kids who do not perform up to standard, academically or behavior wise, out of their schools . Public schools cannot - they operate under federal laws which dictate that children must be in school until the age of 18.

Some posters, a small minority fortunately, also write that public schools are socialism. Do you have any idea what socialism is?

All children have the right to a free education - that is the way it should be run in this country and all around the world. Ask Malala Yousefa about what it means to her.
01:12 AM on 08/04/2013
Do public schools exist to educate students or provide jobs for adults?

This may seem like a stupid question, but the results of a recent study concluded.

The report – complied with data from the National Center for Educational Statistics – shows taxpayers in all states but two hired non-teaching staff at a rate that far exceeded student enrollment between 1992 and 2009.

As states across the country slashed education funding to balance their budgets during the nation’s economic slump, and student enrollment grew by about 17 percent, local school boards hired 46 percent more non-teaching staff and 32 percent more teachers.

That reality has left most states with far more school employees than necessary, millions in excessive personnel expenses, and very few options to deal with the situation.

“I think we should be concerned about this trend for two reasons,” said Ben Scafidi, an economist at Georgia College & State University. “First, student achievement didn’t go up and the resources used to pay for these extra bodies have an opportunity cost. These resources could have been used in other ways that benefit students.

“The second reason we should be concerned is it violates common sense. It’s time to do something different.”
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HistorianQ
03:07 AM on 08/04/2013
You're missing a major component here, though. Special education has changed drastically over the last twenty years. Special needs students, rather than being crammed into a resource room with a teacher and maybe one or two aides, are now in the general student population more and more.

This has caused massive new hires in special education and for aides for these students. Specifically, this came about with the Americans with Disabilities Act and the idea of Least Restrictive Environment. With more and more students being identified learning disabled (which seems to be an epidemic,) so goes the legal requirement to provide special services to said students.

There are other areas we could go into - for example, the bureaucracy needed to maintain this standardized testing and standardized curriculum regimen - but statistics alone don't tell a story of fat government employees sitting around. Our schools are expected to do more and more, often times with less money.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
01:03 AM on 08/04/2013
Video killed the radio star...and online education is going to close the schoolhouse, someday.
01:01 AM on 08/04/2013
Governments in the United States currently spend about 4 percent of gross domestic product on “public” schools.1 Those schools also employ about 4 percent of the nation’s workforce. Although few will admit it, public education is clearly an anachronistic, socialist institution, with all of the characteristics of a typical Soviet enterprise. As such, one would expect it to display the inefficiency that eventually brought a collapse of the communist/socialist economic system, and that this inefficiency would lead it too to wither. Yet public education continues to thrive in market economies, where it has a host from which it can draw sustenance to mask its inefficiencies
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Helzapoppin
01:52 AM on 08/04/2013
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raindrips
I really love Brussels Sprouts.
02:21 AM on 08/04/2013
Good grief. What utter nonsense.
07:25 PM on 07/31/2013
Thank you, Senator Lee, for your initiative to free education. I think that tax credits would be even better than what you suggest because then the money never goes into the public coffer and can be used by the parent as seen fit for that family without any public or government meddling. I see no reason at all why people who do not want to use and/or do not approve of a school system are forced to pay for it. I invite all of those who do value it to pay the bill or seek philanthropic donations. I invite those who believe in freedom to stand up for it. I am a single person with no children and I, furthermore, demand my right to invest in education as I see fit. I am also a professional teacher and I refuse to be told by anyone what or how to teach. This will be determined by my conscience, my experience of what works, and the market forces of my profession. It is interesting to read the comments here from obvious proponents of the public schools about how they are going to divest all those who disagree with them of any right to depart in peace or have any choice but the one in which they believe.. Tyranny. Please, educational totalitarians, explain to me how you differ from those old, abusive, state churches of Europe that demanded attendance and mandatory tithes? I appeal to your consciences - let our people go.
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
04:35 AM on 08/04/2013
"I am also a professional teacher and I refuse to be told by anyone what or how to teach. "

I hope you are not a creationist who believes in "intelligent design" and who thinks that Barack Obama deep down is a secret Muslim terrorist who was born in Tora Bora...

and climate change was invented by communists, and AIDS is a punishment from God to people with derailed norms and values...
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
07:00 AM on 08/04/2013
"I am also a professional teacher and I refuse to be told by anyone what or how to teach. "

Well, in that case, myself and probably also your students can only hope that you are not a creationist who believes in "intelligent design" or who thinks that Barack Obama was born in Tora Bora and is deep down a secret Muslim terrorist sleeper ...

or that climate change was invented by communists, and that AIDS is a punishment from God to people with derailed norms and values...
03:16 PM on 08/04/2013
I teach my students to respect the rights and property of others and also to engage ideas from all points of view with the object of understanding instead of mocking and dismissing by demonizing, exaggerating and misrepresenting. I am sorry if free exchange of ideas and freedom is so threatening to you. There are lots of things that I hope people are teaching children and I use persuasion, not force of government to try to convince them. I get paid by free will employment instead of forcing people to pay for 'education' that is abhorrent to them. It is a cause of deep sadness that apparently you prefer an education that teaches an emotional, irrational and scornful approach to people who have ideas different from a slavish conformity to the state approved.ideology. Please do not tell me how public education is so superior in caring about the students when it spits out thousands of educationally crippled students due to a severe teaching disability that is misdiagnosed as learning disabilities.
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
01:34 AM on 07/31/2013
Rand get rid of the hairpiece and go back to what you know -Dentistry (oh do you use anasthesia?)
12:56 AM on 08/04/2013
Are you a teacher or a bureaucrat milking the current system?
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Indygrl76
Curiosity, reason, science, courage, truth...
04:03 PM on 07/30/2013
Nothing could be more wrong. Most "locals" don't have the slightest clue as to what children need to learn in order to be successful in the international career market. If it were up to the "loudest" locals, students would still be reading the Bible and dressing like the 16th century. Stop kidding yourself-- this is exactly how we got into this mess.
We need a national curriculum with high standards and expectations, teachers with Master's Degrees in a SUBJECT as well as the training in classroom management and the most successful teaching/learning pedagogies, the technology and training to make the classroom a hands on and dynamic learning environment, parents who are engaged and accountable, and the expectation that children can do much more than they currently do-- this is the number one reason teens drop out of high school-- utter and complete boredom.
This may require that the teachers’ unions embrace change and higher standards but it will work. How do I know this? It works in the top 20 public school systems in the top 20 industrial democracies in the world.
Rand Paul’s voucher rant (no doubt written by a staffer or a private education interest group) is nothing more than the usual line of self-serving nonsense and ideological stupidity. People need to stop following the BS-- get the FACTS, face REALITY, and FIX THE PROBLEM!
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
01:58 AM on 08/04/2013
Well, I agree with the sentiment. But let's take it further. Education shouldn't be about providing a trained workforce, it should be about building a free society.
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Indygrl76
Curiosity, reason, science, courage, truth...
07:46 AM on 08/04/2013
Absolutely!
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johnfaig
Random thoughts from an educator
10:32 AM on 08/04/2013
That is the core issue. What is the mission of our education system?
01:38 PM on 07/30/2013
We need to hand over the education to companies where they can be educated to fill future needs of industry instead of our public school system whos goal is to teach most. Public school teachers do not have the ability to stay current in technology like corporations do. And corpoate schools could focus kids on what is needed instead of those classes where we'll never use the information as long as we live. What would be wrong with Microsoft teaching computer programming classes, GE teaching electrical engineering, Target teaching retailing, and so on? Absoutly nothing. It's time to be progressive and move into the 21st century.
05:37 PM on 07/30/2013
Great.... yeah, let's only expose kids who can afford to attend private schools to critical thinking skills, classic literature, logic, history, etc. Forget about those public school kids- they all need to be worried about getting some practical trade from future employers who now don't have to pay for any training.

If companies want to get involved in education, let them start their own outreach trade school type things. It's not a bad idea.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
01:59 AM on 08/04/2013
Corporations are guaranteed to pass the teaching of the entire worker's movement, for starters.
12:43 PM on 07/30/2013
The problem I see here is not so much in the schools as it is in the society. If we accept that schools have failed the kids who drop out, which I think is fairly reasonable, why are we content that they should be making less than $19,000 dollars a year? That's not livable, and should not be the result of being failed by education. The solution here is in lowering the stakes, not ramping up the competition.
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1Europe1
Not young enough to know everything
11:18 AM on 07/30/2013
Here's a measure Libertarians should love. And comes from... drumroll... the Chinese communists.
Follow Chin's lead and exempt all teacher from paying taxes.
that should attract a few hundred thousand talented people to the profession.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
02:00 AM on 08/04/2013
Most teachers don't make enough to pay taxes now.
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chaotician1
10:12 AM on 07/30/2013
Oh, and I forgot! The existing Pension structures should be liquidated and all school personal be on the standard Social Security system; and that system should be revised to be funded from something like a VAT and adjusted so that every person gets the same life supporting monies for a decent life! It is certainly one of the crimes of our plutocracy to discard hard working peoples in their old age. Support of our elders should be done by the total society with a "tax" on the GDP of the whole society and that basic support should be the same for all peoples from "street" survivors to Billionaires. One of the gross distortions of America is the highly politicized "public" pensions at all levels of government; bloated beyond tolerance, corrupt in every conceivable manner, disastrous for all civic budgets, and unsustainable, and one of the greatest swindles of our times!
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Helzapoppin
01:56 AM on 08/04/2013
no
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chaotician1
10:01 AM on 07/30/2013
Well, I agree our school system(s) are broken, but I don't buy your solution! The biggest issues are politics, bloated administrations, misuse of education monies, and of course our misguided pensions created by Unions and School officials. So, I propose the following: 1) Federal level should only do text book specification and selection combined with curiculum requirements and goals 2) State level should be purely level funding per student 3) all schools should be public, completely free including all materials need for classes 4) All none public schools should be closed including so-called religious schools and where possible converted to public schools 5) School administration should be largely eliminated with minimal, flat structures and with the primary job of administrators being the support of teachers and students 6) More education should be adapted to self study using the vast internet services, self paced video lectures and instruction 7) Education certification should adopt the European model to do a "real" evaluation of educational achievements periodically and for validation of educational achievement and such results should be public and a basis for work opportunities 8) Education should present clear and undistorted civics without political agendas and expose political chicanery as a means of minimizing the impact of such practices
09:37 AM on 07/30/2013
Hey, Senator, maybe when you're finished posturing and preening for the national media, maybe when you're finished trying to establish yourself as a serious presidential contender, you could turn your attention to Kentucky. Surely you remember that Kentucky is the state that sent you to Washington. Perhaps instead of riding the coattails of your father and pretending that you really *meant* to be a Senator, you could try doing your job; perhaps you'll like being a real Senator.

And look into the issue of education before you go shooting your mouth off. We don't have a centralized curriculum and centralized bureaucracy. Haven't you ever heard of local school boards? Yeah, they're the ones who set the curriculum. When you lament lack of local control, you are crying over a problem that doesn't exist.