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TremoluxMan
Politics: BS on Steroids.
12:57 PM on 11/24/2009
He makes too much sense, he's got no future.
12:55 PM on 11/24/2009
Bad idea. Down the road, democrats would be in minority and at that time they may need to filibuster a bill. So as much as it seems so desirable to do away with it, it will come to haunt democrats. What reid needs to do is deal with Lieberman. If he cannot vote with democrats on procedure votes, why democrat need him in caucus or give him a chair. From what I see, either Liebermann would not be running in next election or he is about to jump to GOP boat and is just staying around to get the maximum perks of being a member of majority.
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VirginiaJeff
I voted for him, I'm holding him accountable.
12:59 PM on 11/24/2009
You're right --

It's best not to get anything done now, because later we won't be able to get anything done ...
01:06 PM on 11/24/2009
Reconciliation would have been one route. I dont understand why Reid shut down that route. Personally what I have heard of the bill, I dont think it is a good bill. Ok much better than GOP house version, but still not a good bill. I think we are just giving insurance companies more customers. If nothing, at least this bill should immediately remove life time cap, and discrimination based on pre-existing conditions
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Littlewords
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01:01 PM on 11/24/2009
Agree with result, but disagree with errant rationale.

The reason to do this is to preserve the institution. Like it or not, the Senate was formed in part to deliberately slow the change process and to ensure "ample" debate. While that is totally abused today by the (Ted Stevens style) party of "NO," Reid has a tool at his disposal, but chooses not to use it (reconciliation), to end the current outrageous GOP nonsense and move this forward.

The precedence is there to use this process.

The next step is "stop electing obstructionist senators that refuse to even read the legislation or consider if it helps the constituents before brazenly and recklessly saying NO." The problem is BAD politicians being elected.
01:12 PM on 11/24/2009
Oh I fully agree with you. But you too fully know that we will keep on electing obstructionist. I think some how the eligibility of senators needs to be revised. May be the senator must have been an ex governor or ex mayor or some executive of office where making deals with opposite camp is part of the job. Of course even then we may get "Senator Perry" from texas or "Senator Sanford" for SC, but hopefully the number of such guys would be few. Some thing needs to be done to reduce number of such. Every election, it seems to be more and more.
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teron678
A Pessimistic Optimist
12:55 PM on 11/24/2009
Changing the rules to benefit you even if you have good intentions will ultimately come back to hurt you in the end KARMA
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VirginiaJeff
I voted for him, I'm holding him accountable.
01:01 PM on 11/24/2009
Republican congressmen changed the rules when they encouraged "birther" and "death panel" conspiracies, and their supporters took over an entire news network.
12:51 PM on 11/24/2009
Yeah, it's nice to have a filibuster proof majority with less than 60 votes. But it's only nice if you're the MAJORITY.. If you remember only a few years ago Democrats were up in arms when the Republicans thought about using the nuclear option to get unpopular stuff through.
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01:13 PM on 11/24/2009
We just need to make sure the republicans never get elected again. We must continue ridiculing them and exposing their crimes until their party is no more.
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Bloggerrogr
Resist !
02:40 PM on 11/24/2009
Actually the Republicans seem to be doing a pretty good job of that already. Now, Lou Dobbs is warming up in the wings, thinking that he'll try for the Presidency in 2012.

It is to laugh, uproariously...

FWIW
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temogen
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03:47 PM on 11/24/2009
amen
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EbonBear
opinionated hairy man
10:24 PM on 11/24/2009
1) the Republicans tried to remove the filibuster ENTIRELY when they were in the majority and Dems were far less obstructionist than the Repubs are currently being.
2) The Republicans a few years ago DID cram masses of stuff through on a simple 51 vote majority and with little complaint from Democrats.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
12:50 PM on 11/24/2009
I voted for change but these changes are wrong for the American people. Obama was voted into office because he promised to fix the failing economy and returning us to fiscal responsibility. Health care in this country isn't perfect but it is not in a crisis like the unemployment. Get people back to work and their won't be as many uninsured. Take care of the illegal immigrants (no amnesty) to take pressure off doctors and hospitals. Bill will start after 2013 is because the next "change" Obama is going to pass is providing amnesty to illegal immigrants. That is the "you lie" comes from. If competition is what is needed why not open insurances companies to compete so that there aren't any insurance company monopolies.

The Dems promise that this bill will give health care for millions of uninsured but as yourself does it make sense to that the actual premiums for this government option will be more expensive then private insurances. If people can't afford or refuse to get private insurance now, what make you think they will do it when government options start? Oh yes the government will fine them.

The ECONOMY is in crisis with high rates of unemployment. That is what we need to be concentrating on. As for health care, fixing it by revamping the whole system is wrong. Why reinvent the wheel when all it needs is some minor changes.
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teron678
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12:57 PM on 11/24/2009
How can you say you voted for change .. when all they things you proposed/support is the Status Quo???
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12:59 PM on 11/24/2009
Yeah, this four sided wheel works fine and dandy until the for-profit health insurance accountants channel Josef Mengele and make their Angel of Death call in favor of more profit and you lose your health or life. The economic problems you refer to are made worse, not better by the current system. And by two wholly-elective unnecessary wars that just materialized the moment President Obama was elected.
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12:49 PM on 11/24/2009
Wowzer! A Democrat who acts like a Democrat instead of a passive Republican. I like it.
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VirginiaJeff
I voted for him, I'm holding him accountable.
12:47 PM on 11/24/2009
Thanks, HP.

I've signed the petition and forwarded the link.
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spinns17
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12:47 PM on 11/24/2009
big al has our backs.lol
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BannedNBoston
Is hemp legal yet?
12:45 PM on 11/24/2009
Change the Senate rules and get a strong public option passed.
12:39 PM on 11/24/2009
I like and support Grayson's work! THIS is a real congress man! I wish he becomes a Senator in his next term and in 2016 the President of the United States.
12:42 PM on 11/24/2009
Hear, hear!
01:15 PM on 11/24/2009
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
I check in regularly to see what his local paper reports on him. He's doing a great job.
It's interesting to see what his constituents write in about him.
I think he's in a Repub district, but whoever's up against him will get a run for his money!
09:19 PM on 11/24/2009
Perfect! Thank you, Hopeington.
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GrandmaBEE
12:38 PM on 11/24/2009
What needs to happen is the Blue Dogs and Lie ber man need to get on board. Instead of changing the process more pressure from the party and from the people.
12:42 PM on 11/24/2009
No thank you. They need to get off board and to be replaced swiftly by real democrats.
12:44 PM on 11/24/2009
And the last 6 months of "pressure from the party and from the people" don't count because ... ?
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GrandmaBEE
12:49 PM on 11/24/2009
I think it is working somewhat. We have gotten this far. If conservatives and Blue dogs had their way it would have already been sunk. It isn't over yet and now is not the time to let up on them. They have tried every stall tactic in the book hopeing the people will get bored and drop it.
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12:36 PM on 11/24/2009
Here's a thought make Senator Reid step down and get some other Senator that has a set of balls take over like Senator Brown!
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liberalNmoderation
We've only got the one planet, don't screw it up.
12:36 PM on 11/24/2009
Gotta love Grayson.
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GrandmaBEE
12:40 PM on 11/24/2009
At least he is trying to do what the people want.
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liberalNmoderation
We've only got the one planet, don't screw it up.
12:42 PM on 11/24/2009
Ayup...Grayson, Franken, Kucinich....we need MORE like them.
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Coinyer101
King of Doobiestan
12:35 PM on 11/24/2009
I don't like the filibuster, unless they're tryin' ta shove a stoopid bill down our throats. In those cases, I like it......., If anything ,they should remove it from the Senate and add it to the House, where more members will reduce it's importance and power from the 'few', all-powerful Senate members, who never seem to just go away....,I could do without the Senate altogether, to be honest. Or maybe they could just put 'em in the House's basement and call on 'em when needed.....,I dunno. I know not very many folks are happy with them, and it's time for some review of the process.....,We need to find a way to get the people more involved and give them more power on individual issues. Nobody agrees with everything their party does, and with so many independents who never agree with anything, the people need more power, than just elections every 2-4 years, [and 6 years for a Senator is too much] .......,perhaps a gubmint website where we can vote online ,issue by issue, to give our Congress a better idea of what they should do.....,
12:40 PM on 11/24/2009
a great many people on both sides of the spectrum think they're trying to shove a st00pid bill down our throats right now.... you don't like this bill do you Coin?
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GrandmaBEE
12:44 PM on 11/24/2009
I don't think anybody is jumping up and down for this bill as it stands. Hopeing it will be more of what we want and need upon final tweaking. I hope if it remains a pile of crap that Obama will send it back to them to make the needed changes.
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Coinyer101
King of Doobiestan
01:46 PM on 11/24/2009
No, I don't like this bill. And I don't want them changing the process over a single issue. Changing this filibuster issue should be decided on it's own, with no other issue driving the effort.......,
12:34 PM on 11/24/2009
i thought he was from Florida, not Massachusetts....