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08:06 AM on 12/14/2009
Connecticut is not a state I associate with right-wing politics, though admittedly I've made no special study of Connecticut politics. I read that the residents of CT were for a public option by a margin of 3 to 1. I wonder how Lieberman's stance on health care reform squares with those voters, whether enough of them are committed to health care reform to give him some payback when he's up for re-election. I certainly hope so. But that election won't take place soon enough for this problem. And now that Lieberman has made it clear he will vote against the Democrats even on procedural maneuvers, how can they let him retain his chairmanship of the Homeland Security committee?

I am outraged by Lieberman. I want blood (figuratively speaking, of course).
09:28 AM on 12/14/2009
It's a good thing you're speaking figuratively because Joe is clearly a bloodless, mouldy old road apple of a human being.
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donnabella
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11:41 AM on 12/14/2009
Not to mention soulless...
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Ralph Noyes
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09:47 AM on 12/14/2009
Connecticut is a wholly owned and operated subsidiary of the insurance industry, just as much as Delaware is a fiefdom of the DuPont family and Utah is the land of the Magic Underwear Cult.

Lieberman's wife is a HIGHLY PAID lobbyist for -- pharmaceuticals, is it?

Get the picture?

Thank you, Connecticut, for sending us your gerbil.
JVene
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07:57 AM on 12/14/2009
I think by now its absolutely clear that the filibuster, once a respected tradition, is all too easily abused.

Remember when the Republicans considered invoking the "nuclear option" by removing the filibuster in order to pass their own legislation? I hate to admit it, but they were right.

If they had changed the senate rules then, we wouldn't have this problem now.

The senate has become dysfunctional, precisely because the filibuster has been used to create the illusion of a 60 vote requirement. There was a time, only decades ago, when that threshold was 66 votes.

It's time to revisit that question again.

Democrats would be rewarded with an outpouring of support, based on the legislation they'd be able to pass, finally, and government would again be able to function.
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Leigh49
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08:47 AM on 12/14/2009
I agree. Majority should rule.
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donnabella
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11:42 AM on 12/14/2009
The thing is, this bill should only require a majority for it to pass.
07:55 AM on 12/14/2009
Reid needs to pull Liebermans chairmanship and any other party perks, and make health care a reconciliation bill.
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07:54 AM on 12/14/2009
Gee, Joe, and all of this time I thought the healthcare bill was for the American people, not for you and the other idiots that want to deny healthcare to Americans. Americans have no problem with profits, we have a problem with the greed that you and insurance companies are a part.
I can only hope and wish that you are never elected to another office that affects so many people, especially those that are dying every year due to the lack of even basic healthcare. But then again if you're not, YOU will still have healthcare. You, and those of the same mindset, are more concerned about your greed than what is good for America.
07:51 AM on 12/14/2009
It can't be overstated how much I hate Lieberman.
08:20 AM on 12/14/2009
I'm with you 100%. A real snake in the grass. The Democrats should pick a strategy the neuters Gerbil Joe. That's the way to pass health care.

If the republicans wanted reform they would have had it already because they have something the democrats don't have. Balls.
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07:50 AM on 12/14/2009
I'm so tired of hearing these polititions wanting "ENTITLEMENTS" removed. What about all their "ENTITLEMENTS", lets remove some of them!
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Opygollopy
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07:39 AM on 12/14/2009
The corruption and collusion in the Senate is obvious. We now know who the leader of the corruption is - Joe Lieberman. The Party of "No" can just stand back now because Joe will do all the work for them. The Health bill will never come to pass until campaign reform is tackled first.

Joe knows where his bread is buttered and that is Aetna. We all know it and he does not care. He has used so many reasons not to vote for this - at least one disputable and fabricated excuse a month - and each has been debunked. Now he is taking a different tack. There are no words to describe this man that are printable on this thread and none of the descriptions bode well for this Judas.
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07:32 AM on 12/14/2009
Funny that he used to be for universal health care AND a new entitlement program to protect certain groups. That's what he said to get elected anyway.
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07:26 AM on 12/14/2009
i don't give a damn about what the Dems may or may not have given up. What about the American people? We are suffering and dying and our senators don't care. It is time to think about our votes instead of being swayed by a slick ad campaign. Throw the bums out!!
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rcozad
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07:22 AM on 12/14/2009
Let me see Joe, who does your wife work for again? Oh that's right you said that you and she never discuss health care reform, and I'm supposed to believe that! How can you possible justify voting for budget busting war is good, however if health care reform costs one penny more it's BAD! And you sleep at night knowing our system that you earn your living from defending is in need of a complete overhaul but you prefer your personal finances over the public good? Your picture will end up in every dictionary next to the definition for "Corrupt"!
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exPatPatti
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06:53 AM on 12/14/2009
Lieberman needs to sit down and shut up.
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Azrael1701
06:17 AM on 12/14/2009
Did he somehow get any guarantees from the GOP on these claims? I don't think so. If Obama and the Senate follows Leiberman, the GOP is only going to throw it back in their face!
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TN60
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06:05 AM on 12/14/2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/opinion/14krugman.html?ref=opinion

A little background.

I simply detest Joe the Lie. There is no other monster to compete with his treason.

He is helping the Republicans in their "Waterloo" moment against this President. But.. it is not the President he is working against, but the American people. Those that are suffering or dying without health care.

So, let's call a "spade a GD shovel" and call him and the Republicans and the Blue dogs what they really are....Murderers.

Because of them.... over 40,000 Americans DIE each year from a lack of health care.

What would you call them ???????????????
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AlphaDoc
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06:53 AM on 12/14/2009
>What would you call them ?<

Nothing that would get past moderation. The Dems have allowed Republicans to turn the whole healthcare battle into a bad joke. Even looking at the Medicare buy-in . . . I mean, is it just me, or does $400/month per person for those 55 and over who can't afford or can't get healthcare now seem like an impossible amount? And $400 is considered to be a low estimate. Yet with a mandate, those who are struggling now will be sucked down the drainpipe even faster than they would without the "gift" of healthcare insurance.
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TN60
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08:10 AM on 12/14/2009
I don't know how to answer you. I guess that $400 is a lot better than $2000 a month and climbing. How is that for a half @ssed answer??

You are right about the Democrats, enough to make me want to heave at their sight.

You are also right about the young and healthy and the mandate, You or they are the big bonus to the legislator's corporate buddies and it is not fair at all and will give this big payday to the very ones who have raped and pillaged all of us.

I guess, I'm hoping that we can build on the Medicare 55-64 over time, but the Dems have so screwed this whole thing up, maybe there is no hope.
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Leigh49
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08:51 AM on 12/14/2009
I pay $725 now and I'm under 55. But even $400 is too much.
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AAKAlan
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05:52 AM on 12/14/2009
Lieberman is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Aetna. He is in their pocket. In fact, I read that his wife works as a lobbyist -against- healthcare reform. Let's see if there's a conflict there - they pay his wife to buy his vote!

This man should not only be out of the Democratic Caucus, his current chairmanships and perks, but he should be in prison for bribery.

They don't come more disreputable than Joe, the Senator from Tel Aviv and Aetna.
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marijam
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05:14 AM on 12/14/2009
Judas.