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speakingtruth2power
Not motivated by fear & loathing
08:00 PM on 12/23/2009
The MSM lives on controversy and like any story, wants to sensationalize it.
After it turns out differently, they just go on to the next hot story,without care.
The thugs are in more disarray & controversy than the Democrats ever were.
07:51 PM on 12/23/2009
Thank you so very much Mr. Lotke! This is a well thouight out, researched and written article which breaks through the fog of perception management (or too often outright lies) being attempted and used by those who oppose this sitting president and his administration. I have been waiting to hear such clear descriptions of their tactics and simple truths about what is the actual reality, and the opportunities before us to destroy the illusions of those lacking the urge or integrity to work for the good of us all. Like you, I can hardly wait to begin the good fight again--especially now that it seems we have a victory before us in the health care reform fight. Keep up the good work!
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wilsonveteran
Free America End Big Government
07:40 PM on 12/23/2009
I truly hope that the progressive movement is dying in its infancy. We just cannot afford it or want it. Most Americans see themselves as conservatives not progressives. What will it mean to have a progressive country. Well I see it as a country with a large government with large social programs. Progressives want us all to be equal and see government as the great equalizer. So in fact we will have a two class society the people or the working class and the elites the government representatives.

Also Mr. Lotke talked about deficits. Well this month alone our government voted in a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill that will give pay raises to government employees, the elite in our new society, and toward more social programs. Then we have a 179 billion stimulus designed like the last stimulus that did not work. After that a 680 billion defense budget. Now put on top of that a 1 trillion health care bill. Almost 3 trillion in one month. We are spending so much China has stated the world does not have enough money to sustain us. That is the progressive way.
08:06 PM on 12/23/2009
I love this "everyone considers themselves conservative" lol. Yeah, of course your friends and TV pundits do. That's ALL you fill your head with. Yeah, yeah...debt...debt...debt...whatever. Guess what wilsonveteran it's not going to change when the GOP gets in. I guarantee it and would bet money on it. Instead of helping the American people who actually make this country what is it will go to war and more war. But that is just peachy keen for you. Oh, by the way, I hope you and your brothers in arms didn't use that G.I. Bill or VA health benefits. If you did I want my money back. Your service doesn't count. Don't want to rack up the debt you know :) This self righteous debt conscious display is hilarious.
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wilsonveteran
Free America End Big Government
08:27 PM on 12/23/2009
Why is it you hate so much? So I take it from your remarks you are for a large government that will give you handouts. You are all for a two class society. You are good with your senators being able to retire after one term with a salary over one hundred thousand a year and free medical for the rest of their lives. So you are good with your representatives voting themselves a pay raise while others lose their jobs.

As far as my benefits from the military they were earned not given just because I was born here. It took me 21 years to earn those benefits. Those years also cost me other things that I wont discuss here. By the way if you had a backbone you could earn these benefits too.
Sergeant
Dress Right
08:29 PM on 12/23/2009
Ok, debt whatever. You are going to get your wish. And your man in DC is doing it. Maybe he'll kiss you in the process.
08:24 PM on 12/23/2009
You appear to be confused about what a 'progressive' is, and seem to equate it with being an old-style liberal or (in one of your statements) with being a communist.

Progressives believe in practical solutions rooted in government no larger than necessary to achieve them, but absent evidence do not believe that, e.g., charitable organizations or 'the free market' will necessarily handle major problems adequately.

Medicare is an eminently progressive program: it eliminates the waste and disincentives to provide care that private insurance entails without nationalizing the actual *delivery* of health care, and extending Medicare to all Americans would provide complete coverage at no greater cost than we are paying today for very limited coverage. I.e., health insurance is a market in which 'the free market approach' has failed dramatically for the past century - so it's time to switch to a government-administered program of private delivery that has been demonstrated to work well for the past 45 years.

Progressives are basically capitalists who understand that the natural excesses of tooth-and-claw capitalism must be moderated by government to the degree necessary to create a reasonable society. They in no way 'want us all to be equal' in anything but basic rights: they simply believe in safety nets beneath the neediest members of society at a level consistent with our average affluence.

They also believe in our obligation to future generations not to benefit at their expense. If you have children, you might too.
12:57 AM on 12/24/2009
Like every 'ism', it sounds rational on paper, at least the way you put it. It's when the rubber meets the road that this philosophy falls apart. Medicare for all and affordability. What we have now is absolutely unsustainable. That is a fact. Adding 36 million people to the system won't somehow make it fiscally sound. And your final point about not taking too much from future generations to pay for things now is just laughable. That is EXACTLY what progressives want to do and insist that we do - and what they are doing as we speak..
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I say the things that have to be said.
01:24 AM on 12/24/2009
Thank you for that excellent comment, -bill. I think his head is way too thick for him to benefit from it, though.
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Marcello Rollando
The Reasonable Voice
07:34 PM on 12/23/2009
YES, STOP GOP from using religious beliefs as a weapon to incite mob mentality. YES, perhaps if we had elected someone like Barrack Obama before, and indeed waged the correct war where Al Qaeda was instead of where the oil is, we just might have found and defeated those who invaded America and murdered us on September 11, 2001 -- eight long years ago.

However, we didn’t do that. No we, in a state of righteous indignation over oral sex denials, elected an unprincipled regime who wiped their oily boots on the Constitution of the United States of America while the blood of our youth dripped from their hands. Wrapped in the American flag, they marketed themselves as standard bearers of family values. We were duped by fairy tales of spin.

Resist Media predictions about a resurgence against those trying to clean up the mess dumped on our Nation by the retreating elephants in search of shadowy places to hide. Stand tall, accept, if not admit the unfortunate effect of the Bush League on our personal economy and International reputation, and join our new President in a period of repair and healing. "United We Stand" needs to be a call to action for every American to vote for Progressive Democrats.
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lcarliner
07:31 PM on 12/23/2009
What the very wealthy should be reminded of is that the Republican ideal of taxation and spending is embodied in Mexico. Having to be transported in half-million to one million dollar armored vehicles and have on payroll full-time squads of armored bodyguards for heavily gated residential fortress is no way to enjoy one's greed begotten wealth!
08:09 PM on 12/23/2009
What the envious masses (like yourself) need to be reminded is that there is a limit to how much you can skim off the actual productive citizens before they decide not to be your piggy bank any more.
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fuzzwald
09:59 PM on 12/23/2009
The rich are the least productive citizens! They are in the business of skimming the surplus value of other peoples' labor. There's no way possible that one individual can "earn" a billion dollars.
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runswithscissors
Hobson's Choice ≠ Free Will
12:26 AM on 12/24/2009
Wow...the poor skimming from the rich. That's classic. I say go ahead and decide right now then. We'll see who needs who.
07:00 PM on 12/23/2009
I cannot in good conscience vote Democrat again after the betrayal I've experienced this year. I also don't belive that things are getting better, and I am no longer sure that anything would be different would be happening if McCain were elected, since the system inside Washington is pretty much running itself regardless of who the CEO is. Finally, I don't believe that American democracy or its Constitution are slvageable, for the same reason.
No, sorry. I'm voting for Ameerica's only honest politician - Nobody.
07:22 PM on 12/23/2009
Then, by all means, vote Republican. You have exactly two effective choices. Don't like the Dems? Feel betrayed? Hopefully you will feel something different then, when you vote Republican than you felt when you voted Democratic. And most of all, may you be much more satisfied with your choice.
08:11 PM on 12/23/2009
A simplistic response to my complaints - and such responses are exactly why mainstream Democrats have lost my vote.
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notb observer
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10:12 PM on 12/23/2009
The ideal solution would be to throw all incumbents out (except for a small handful). That would send a clear message to DC. Then do it again in the next cycle, just to remind them that we weren't kidding the first time.
Of course that will never happen.
One thing I know however, after 8 years of GOP rule, 6 of them absolute, and given what we have seen of the GOP in the past year, one would have to be insane to put those maniacs in power again.
I am just as disappointed and frustrated as the next guy over the failures of our government so far, but not voting simply makes the stalemate worse and our government more hogtied. The GOP had their "run of the house" for 2 terms, now let's see how well the Dems can do if they have a real supermajority in the Senate (e.g.: turf out the Blue Dogs and get real Dems in there).
It is exactly at a time like this that we must not waste our opportunity to vote, because it would take very little for a handful of Tea Bagger Wingnuts to get elected, and that would turn our present pathetic excuse for government into a veritable nightmare !
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Olivio
Why are the republicans waging a war on women??
12:22 AM on 12/24/2009
Absolutely, we MUST throw practically all the incumbents out! That's what the constitution requires us, the people to do, when a government fails to work for the people.

Lotke, "giant corporations buy their influence" because the legislative branch of the government is happily taking their money! My feeling is that you are trying not to hold all those senators and House reps. who have cases full of cash from special interests unaccountable!
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
01:29 AM on 12/24/2009
That comment is just ignorant. Throwing all incumbents out because the government is not functioning very well is like shooting everybody in the bar because there's a robbery in progress. FOCUS ON THE ROBBERS. Throwing the real progressives out just because the happen to be in office when the conservatives screw things up is just ignorant.
06:56 PM on 12/23/2009
Yawn. Yet another "Let's get revved up to support Democrats next year because the Republicans are *just so much worse* screed.

I haven't voted for a national Democrat save once since 2002 and don't plan on doing in the future so until I can find one whose positions *and actions* I actually support. The one that I did vote for talked the talk during the 2006 campaign but failed to walk the walk thereafter; Obame didn't even talk the talk if you actually examined his policy positions rather than got carried away by his rhetoric.

Until a lot more alleged progressives are willing to stand strong for what they believe in with their checkbooks, with their feet on the ground, and inside the voting booth, we'll continue to get marginally progressive talk and no real progressive action from the Democrats - i.e., they'll just drive the country into the ground a bit more slowly than the Republicans usually do.

I'd rather work toward an actual change in direction even if it makes the pain somewhat worse over the short term.
07:20 PM on 12/23/2009
yawn if you like, yawn at your peril.
07:44 PM on 12/23/2009
I guess you didn't understand what I wrote: the yawn was at the screed, not at the problem - which is that the peril is nearly as bad under Democratic leadership as it is under Republican leadership.

Which I why I vote for what I actually want via third-party or write-in. If enough people did this, real change *could* occur - so rather than vote empty wishes I'm trying to do my individual part to work toward that end.
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Olivio
Why are the republicans waging a war on women??
12:34 AM on 12/24/2009
Bill has a point here! For example: Today, Obama claimed that he did not campaign on the Public Option in healthcare reform. But when MSNBC shows videos of him giving interviews and speeches promoting the Public Option, this should be quiet embarrassing to him and very revealing to us!
The Democrats must suffer the consequences of their inability to govern!
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citizenbfk
Founder, American Citizens Together
06:26 PM on 12/23/2009
I like the spirit of this article. It's like the classic comment from John Barry/American Revolution, when asked to surrender: "Surrender?" he said: "I have just begun to fight!" (or something like that) -- I'm out to Defeat Republicans. I want to see their party driven into extinction: that job is not yet done. It makes no difference what the Talking Head Commentators say now, one year away from the elections, they just get paid to talk. Voter will decide and "we have not yet even begun to fight," the 2010 elections.
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06:26 PM on 12/23/2009
It never ceases to amaze me how the Republicans keep lying the American people into believing that the recession, unemployment, the housing crash, the banking meltdown and even the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan were all created by President Obama, ably assisted by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the Democratic Congress.

It's even more amazing that a significant (in numbers, that is) segment of our population buys this hogwash.

I realize that the degree of frustration is high, but we'd better all take a step back and be careful not to end up from the heat in the frying pan with all this talk of voting out incumbents.
It's not incumbents we need to vote out; it's the power of the special interests, big business, big pharma, the insurance companies - those are the yokes we have to be liberated from.

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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
01:38 AM on 12/24/2009
Finally, a sensible comment on the "throw all the incumbents out" nonsense.
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mram50
05:45 PM on 12/23/2009
If you think it's bad with the Dem congress and corporate power just think of how mangled we'll all be if the Pukes get power again and everyone then lives in a corporately owned home. It'll be the days of the Robber Barons all over again and don't be to surprised if your neighborhood suddenly gets a 50 foot fence around it not to keep the bad guys out, but to keep YOU in working for "the man"
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05:34 PM on 12/23/2009
We Ignore the positive at our own peril. None of this would be anywhere near realized if McCain had won. And some keep trying to demoralize everyone with petulant complaints about not enough of this,not enough of that,"where's the reform?",we can always go back to a Republican controlled Congress. And probably will if... the electorate takes the whiners seriously. Less then a full year in office,and incredibly some "liberals" are writing the President off. Some of these babies belong to my own Gen X...spoiled and cynical and selfish. Some of them are dreamers who live over the rainbow and need to wipe the star dust from their eyes.. And some are trolls working for the GOP-baggers. Grow up America.
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Polly Keary
05:24 PM on 12/23/2009
Lotke, I hope some of your gumption still exists in the party come 2010. During the reconstruction, voters ran out of patience with freed slaves for not becoming Barack Obama-types by 1866, and abandoned them in droves to the tender mercies of the Klan. What exactly do we think will happen if we don't hold the line? Patience isn't an American strong suite, but I propose we develop some in these coming 11 months. And some backbone.
05:20 PM on 12/23/2009
The dumbest thing any of us can do at this moment is assume that those folks who elected Obama have forgotten why they did so. I seriously doubt that those folks have suddenly forgotten the previous 8 years of Republican rule and the general screw ups of the conservative brain trusts. If those people are as irate with those they have deemed the perpetrators of the various messes we are in, and would like to tar and feather them in a rage far greater than Obama's, then I would not think it wise for the Republicans to assume that they have carte blanche in the 2010 elections.

Neither should those Democrats who have shown themselves to be the Quislings of that party, but more particularly the voters, most of whom have stood stunned at the cosmic BS these senators and representatives have allowed or demanded to happen.

The DNC should be doing their damnedest to mobilize the voters for corrective action and don't waste time on Obama. Let the issues and the performance of those who have created the dunghill we are in be center stage, and be relentless in pushing for genuine reform. Do not think that we are such simpletons that our disgust blows hot or cold, left or right with every episode of the Palin soap opera or the stupidity of our elected officials. It just get hotter for what we really want to see happen ~ so make it happen!!!
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I say the things that have to be said.
01:40 AM on 12/24/2009
Right on, Renault.
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jeffbwillis
05:16 PM on 12/23/2009
This is not the time to be arrogant. The grass roots movement is real. Progressives must be careful. If this movement truly gains traction, anything is possible.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
01:42 AM on 12/24/2009
If you want to live in fear of the teabagger morons, be my guest. I'm ready to fight them in the streets, if necessary. But there are so few of them, I don't think it's necessary, yet.
07:53 AM on 12/24/2009
Astroturf is not grassroots.
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Aneesia
04:40 PM on 12/23/2009
It sounds good, but the real jobs don't exist, most of them have been created by increasing debt. The new Health plan....Corporate....granted things have gotten better without George Bush and his sycophants.
Eliminate the "Global Economy", put tax rates back where they were in the 50's-60's, prosecute Wall Street executives who cause the current economic mess..
Nothing will happen while we have a totally corrupted Congress that is run by American Business with bribes from Lobbyists.
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littleolwinemakerme
Put A Cork In It!
05:32 PM on 12/23/2009
I call BS on "real jobs don't exist". Like alot of people who have been laid off, I had the idea that my s**t didn't stink. I lowered my expectations a little & found a gig that turned out to be quite an eye-opener. I'm having a blast (making a bit less money, but so what?). It's all in what you think you're entitled to.